Women going out shopping

[scentsofjannah]

^^ The prophet repremanded his companions from sitting on the street with nothing to do.... so there's more to it than just going out whenever you want for no reason.

Alhamdulilah he was telling that to the male companions, if he said that to female companions i bet we'd have a protest here

salams

lol no protest

No one should waste their time.

 

[lolwatever]

and did you know that the verses of Ifk where revealed specially in Aysha's case?

So does that mean if other brothers or sisters get slandered they can go away unpunished?

Also.. if that verse was an absolute statement (i.e. if it implied it's HARAM to go out of the house), why did the prophet take his wives out to very long journeys, and he'd even take them to expeditions...

It's more complicated than the way you're treating it.. if the Shareeah came with two distinct rulings, (like the case of marrying other ppl after the prophet), then yes you're right.. its specific to them...

But even in the case of speaking behind a partition, there are lessons to be dervied which apply today, hence the point of Hijab and the rulings regarding intereaction between genders

salams

 

[lolwatever]

lol no protest

No one should waste their time.

:lol: alhamdulilah, but i'm pretty sure there's other dimwitts who don't have nething better to do :enough!:

 

[scentsofjannah]

and did you know that the verses of Ifk where revealed specially in Aysha's case?

So does that mean if other brothers or sisters get slandered they can go away unpunished?

Also.. if that verse was an absolute statement (i.e. if it implied it's HARAM to go out of the house), why did the prophet take his wives out to very long journeys, and he'd even take them to expeditions...

It's more complicated than the way you're treating it.. if the Shareeah came with two distinct rulings, (like the case of marrying other ppl after the prophet), then yes you're right.. its specific to them...

But even in the case of speaking behind a partition, there are lessons to be dervied which apply today, hence the point of Hijab and the rulings regarding intereaction between genders

salams

It was revealed during that time true..but then the hukm to give all false witnesses 80 lashes is for all women.

No where does it say to lash only those who lie and spread vicious rumurs about the Mothers of the Faithful.

I never said it was haraam for the Mothers of the Faithful to step out of the house...but the fact remains the ayah is not inclusive.

 

[lolwatever]

^^ yes that's correct, but just like the way the verse "we have written on the children of israel that whoever kills a soul, it is as if he killed the entire humanity" was revealed to the children of israel, doesn't imply at all that it doesnt imply to us..

or otherwise.. why did Allah reveal it, just for the fun of it? Similarly the verses regarding the evils of the scholasr of the people of the book and many others, they where specificlaly talking about christians and jews, and no where do you find similar rulings that explicilty mention 'yes these are for Muslims'

yet the scholars extract benefits and rulings from all verses, those that where revealed in specific to others and those that wheren't...

once again.. all i'm saying is, what's the fuss here about? no one is taking it to mean they ought to wrot to death in their homes....

and i cant recall anyone saying it's haram for a sis to go shopping...

salam

 

[afriend]

Response: There is no harm in a woman going out to buy necessary items from the market if she has no-one who is able to do this on her behalf, so long as she is completely covered and remains away from mixing with the men and unnecessarily talking to them. And if she has a man from amongst her mahrams with her, then that is more complete and better.

However, if there is someone who can buy these necessary items on her behalf, then there is no need for her to go out for that which exists therein of fitnah and danger, especially in this day and age in which fitnah has increased and humility and mutual respect has decreased - except upon those whom Allaah has shown Mercy to. So it is obligatory for a woman to remain in her home as much as she is able to, as He (Subhaanahu wa Ta'aala) says:

What this....urm....I duno, could he be a sheikh? says, is 100% contradictory to what you say lolwater....That's what I'm refuting to.....

My point is don't just accept whatever some so called fake sheikh says....You need to look into the tafseer of every ayah, which I will be posting now:

This Ayah is addressed to the wives of the Prophet who chose Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, and remained married to the Messenger of Allah . Thus it was befitting that there should be rulings which applied only to them, and not to other women, in the event that any of them should commit open Fahishah. Ibn `Abbas, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "This means Nushuz (rebellion) and a bad attitude.'' Whatever the case, this is a conditional phrase and it does not imply that what is referred to would actually happen. This is like the Ayat:
وَلَقَدْ أُوْحِىَ إِلَيْكَ وَإِلَى الَّذِينَ مِن قَبْلِكَ لَئِنْ أَشْرَكْتَ لَيَحْبَطَنَّ عَمَلُكَ


(And indeed it has been revealed to you, as it was to those before you: "If you join others in worship with Allah, surely your deeds will be in vain.'') (39:65)

وَلَوْ أَشْرَكُواْ لَحَبِطَ عَنْهُمْ مَّا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ


(But if they had joined in worship others with Allah, all that they used to do would have been of no benefit to them.) (6:88)

قُلْ إِن كَانَ لِلرَّحْمَـنِ وَلَدٌ فَأَنَاْ أَوَّلُ الْعَـبِدِينَ


(Say: "If the Most Gracious had a son, then I am the first of (Allah's) worshippers.'') (43:81)

لَّوْ أَرَادَ اللَّهُ أَن يَتَّخِذَ وَلَداً لاَّصْطَفَى مِمَّا يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ سُبْحَـنَهُ هُوَ اللَّهُ الْوَحِدُ الْقَهَّارُ


(Had Allah willed to take a son, He could have chosen whom He willed out of those whom He created. But glory be to Him! He is Allah, the One, the Irresistible.) (39:4). Because their status is so high, it is appropriate to state that the sin, if they were to commit it, would be so much worse, so as to protect them and their Hijab. Allah says:

مَن يَأْتِ مِنكُنَّ بِفَـحِشَةٍ مُّبَيِّنَةٍ يُضَاعَفْ لَهَا الْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ


(Whoever of you commits an open Fahishah, the torment for her will be doubled,) Malik narrated from Zayd bin Aslam:

يُضَاعَفْ لَهَا الْعَذَابُ ضِعْفَيْنِ


(the torment for her will be doubled,) "In this world and the next.'' Something similar was narrated from Ibn Abi Najih, from Mujahid.

وَكَانَ ذلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيراً


(and that is ever easy for Allah.) it is very easy indeed. Then Allah mentions His justice and His bounty, in the Ayah:

وَمَن يَقْنُتْ مِنكُنَّ للَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ


(And whosoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger,) i.e., obeys Allah and His Messenger ,

نُؤْتِهَـآ أَجْرَهَا مَرَّتَيْنِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهَا رِزْقاً كَرِيماً


(We shall give her, her reward twice over, and We have prepared for her a noble provision.) i.e., in Paradise, for they will be in the dwellings of the Messenger of Allah in the highest reaches of `Illiyin, above the dwellings of all the people, in Al-Wasilah which is the closest of the dwellings of Paradise to the Throne.

ينِسَآءَ النَّبِىِّ لَسْتُنَّ كَأَحَدٍ مِّنَ النِّسَآءِ إِنِ اتَّقَيْتُنَّ فَلاَ تَخْضَعْنَ بِالْقَوْلِ فَيَطْمَعَ الَّذِى فِى قَلْبِهِ مَرَضٌ وَقُلْنَ قَوْلاً مَّعْرُوفاً - وَقَرْنَ فِى بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلاَ تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَـهِلِيَّةِ الاٍّولَى وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَوةَ وَءَاتِينَ الزَّكَـوةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــراً - وَاذْكُـرْنَ مَا يُتْـلَى فِى بُيُوتِكُـنَّ مِنْ ءَايَـتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْــمَةِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ لَطِيفاً خَبِيراً


h(32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep you have Taqwa, then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner.) (33. And stay in your houses, and do not Tabarruj yourselves like the Tabarruj of the times of ignorance, and perform the Salah, and give Zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove the Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.) (34. And remember, that which is recited in your houses of the Ayat of Allah and Al-Hikmah. Verily, Allah is Ever Most Courteous, Well-Acquainted with all things.)

SOURCE:

TAFSEER IBN KATHEER

:threadclo

I mean....case closed....

 

[ameen]

...poor you why did your account get disabled?...

salam,

My account on this forum was banned permanently, because one of the moderators could not tolerate my views.

I have been unbanned under the restriction that I don't speak out against opinions and fatwas such as the one which initiated this thread.

wsalam

 

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

great post sis

I'm very worried about this too..Muslims seem to be mixing Islam with their own culture then they push that down our throats as authentic Islam.

Women can go anywhere provided they don't TRANGRESS the limits.

Men can go anywhere provided they DONT transgress the limits

Its as simple as that.There are no different laws for women and different laws for men...both have to guard their bodies, and act responsibly.

This is what I mean by writing the level of the women in Islam above. The best women will not say anything like this to their bros and sis in Islam. And the method like this to me is a bit loose or its already so loose. Sisters who afraid Allah will tell their sisters to avoid travelling unnecessary to AVOID fitnah. Like I said above when Quran said "Laa taqrobuz zina", then we have to know that there are doors which lead us to zina, such as talking and behave freely to boys, reading magazine or porn magazine, alone with girl, etc. So if the method is like sis scent said above ^^, so then we may say "its ok a man together with a girl as long they dont trangress the limits", OR "its ok to read the magazine as long as we dont trangress the limits", meanwhile we know, when a MAN already entered the door of zina, then its a great chance to fall to zina. And also when we say girls "can go anywhere (although we also said as long they dont trangress the limits)" then they will have bigger chance to fall to Zina. And THE BEST is to avoid zina and recognize all doors that lead to it. Its what we must understand with or without that ayah. And the ayah then make more clear that the best women (ummul mu'minin) always stay at home. And its not mean they may not go out at all, cause impossible they dont go out at all. No human can stand without socialize to people. But its the best they stay at home, of course when they have necessary needs then they will go out the house, Allahu a'lam. But theyre the women who afraid Allah most, theyre the best example, so everygirl who wanna be the best woman then see them how they behave in daily life

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

I didnt see the tafseer you brought bro Iqram masha ALlah. And may I ask a question about this ayah: "(32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep you have Taqwa, then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner.) (33. And stay in your houses, and do not Tabarruj yourselves like the Tabarruj of the times of ignorance, and perform the Salah, and give Zakah and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove the Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.) (34. And remember, that which is recited in your houses of the Ayat of Allah and Al-Hikmah. Verily, Allah is Ever Most Courteous, Well-Acquainted with all things.)".

Yes I understand that there are rules that especially for Ummul muminin only, such as may not marry after Rasulullah dead. But from the ayah above, and form tafseer you brought, then did Ibn Katheer explained that the ayah about Ummul mu'minin must stay at home, then ITS also especially for Ummul mu'minin only and not for all muslimah? Do U have explanations about this? I would love to know. Cause (forgive my behave), but the explanation still in general meaning, cause I didnt see that the tafseer explain that ayah which said ummul mu'minin stay in their house is ONLY for them and not for EVERY muslimah. Or maybe you can find me the more complete explanation about this Insha Allah.

 

[afriend]

akhi!

"You are not like any other women"

now if you take this ayah into consideration, you can detect naturally that it is not directed at other women...

As well as this:

"Oh Wives of the prophet"

This as well, when Allah addresses a certain people he says it like this...If he had wanted to address all believing women, he would have said:

"oh believing women..."

 

[*noor]

lol i think i'd flip if i didn't go shopping myself lol

my mom and I and my sisters do pretty much all of the shopping.....men don't know how to shop!!!......at least in my family they don't! lol

 

[syilla]

^^^yeah u r right...

we ask 4 different thing...they bought different things....

 

[Mujahidah4Allah]

lolz i agree with sis *noor ots me ma sis n sis in law ...

ma'salamah

 

[S_87]

iqram

My point is don't just accept whatever some so called fake sheikh says....You need to look into the tafseer of every ayah, which I will be posting now:

i did not want to say anything but i feel i have to so here goes..

just because our limited knowledge tells us something it does not qualify us to insult learned scholars by calling them *so called fake sheikh* im sure sheikh fawzan knows a load more than all the members posting here put together. it does not mean you have to agree with him, but atleast give him the respect he is due?

if you look at after the first part of ayah the translation is:

and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance

any person can say this applies to only the wives of the Prophet :arabic5: we can display ourselves then right?

 

[afriend]

any person can say this applies to only the wives of the Prophet we can display ourselves then right?

No, becuase Allah addresses you believing women directly in Chapter number 24, ayah 31:

And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their adornment except what is apparent of it, and to extend their headcoverings (khimars) to cover their bosoms (jaybs), and not to display their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband's fathers, or their sons, or their husband's sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent, and not to strike their feet (on the ground) so as to make known what they hide of their adornments. And turn in repentance to Allah together, O you the faithful, in order that you are successful

But I get you about the respect thing...I wont do it again

 

[S_87]

a woman does not need to be uncovered to *display* herself

and regarding the ayah Al Qurtubee said:
There are resplendent evidences in Islaam that require women to stay at home and not to go out except when necessary. And when it becomes necessary for them to go out they should do so with complete covering of themselves and their adornments

plus it is to be remembered that even for salah a thing that is absolutely necessary a woman is not prevented from praying in the masjid though her home be better for her. that says alot...

 

[afriend]

Well, for sure...go ahead, if you think it's best to stay at home masha'Allah, but that's not going to make anybody pious.

It's like when a person just goes out prays and coms home and doesn't do anything else when he gets home. What is he being tested on?

By going out, one is tested and trialled by Allah [swt] in many different ways, by over coming and suceeding through those trials one becomes closer to Allah.

For example, if a sister goes outside and is tested by Allah, she encounters a very handsome man, if she keeps her gaze down even in that situation, she has gained more piety.

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

Assalaamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatulaahi Wa Barakatuh

Indeed some Ayaats in the Quran directly adress the Mothers of the Believes. But who are the mothers of the believers? Are they not the best of women? most pious? our role Models? Are they not the women's whom

"When (the Verse): 'They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,' was revealed,cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces." ?

and a another hadiths states

When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.

They are our role models! And they are the best of role models! And when some people say such and such Ayaats are revealed to only the wives of the Prophet and not you....I am a bit anxious...:hiding:

Indeed it is adressed to them but it also applies to our lives....from our dress to our character. Every woman should live up to the role of the sahabiyats!

 

[afriend]

for sure...But the tafseer also states....I give up...I gave tafseer, logical points, everything in the book......

All I am saying is, well and good if you stay in your homes, but don't force everyone to do the same....Leisure is needed for everybody, but in limits

 

[Dhulqarnaeen]

Well, for sure...go ahead, if you think it's best to stay at home masha'Allah, but that's not going to make anybody pious.

It's like when a person just goes out prays and coms home and doesn't do anything else when he gets home. What is he being tested on?

By going out, one is tested and trialled by Allah [swt] in many different ways, by over coming and suceeding through those trials one becomes closer to Allah.

For example, if a sister goes outside and is tested by Allah, she encounters a very handsome man, if she keeps her gaze down even in that situation, she has gained more piety.

Masha Allah akhi, maybe you should check again wether what you said is true or not oh: cause I hear my ustadh said that sheikh Abdulaziz bin Bazz, syaikh Shalih al Fawzan explained that the ayah is for every women. So I think maybe you understand it wrong, Allahu a'lam. If everybody ask me of course I will take the opinions of the sheikh cause its understandble and away from an importancies insha Allah.
And If I were you akheel kareem Iqram, Rasulullah said :"anybody who teach bad sunnah then they will suffer the sins from someone who did the teaching", so I think we have to be more carefull in saying anything, and its best if we avoid something that we dont know and may not follw our own nafs, Wallahu yahdikunna. How if the women read these explanations and they will say "look, even quran said its ONLY for ummul mu'minin, so we can go everywhere we like as long as we know the limit", then like I said if they do that, go out freely, then they will get use to it and then they will add their travel with something, more and more till syaithon succeed make them fall into zina or another big sins. And its all can caused by OUR explanations. So its best to be so carefull about these things and we should remember "watawashaubil haq watawashaubils shabr". So we encourage our sis and bros to be aware of the doors which can lead us to big sins.
And logically its impossible that the ayah is ONLY for ummul mu'minin since the ayah mean in general. Except the ayah taht said ummul mu'minin cant marry again after Rasulullah dead, then its understood and its especially for them. But the ayah about STAYING AT HOME then it can be done by every muslimah according their LEVEL of taqwa, Allahu a'lam bisshawab.