Women in Islam!

[khairullah]

masha Alalh

 

[SwiftSword]

this is a little off topic, but i think it's a great speech about Muslim women:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Y674CzB_uAo

i apologise if this has been posted before.

salaam

 

[S_87]

In the countries with the most strickt and purest islamic law, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under taleban, women couldnt go outside home without husband's permission, they couldnt drive cars there or study.Note that most of women who convert to islam, do it to marry a muslim man, and they mostly stay in western countries, so they can stilluse the freedom and rights that those countries give them.When husband takes the wife to muslim country, it often happens that the marriage is broken, because the wife must obey they rules and burdens that she wasnt aware of.I know many examples of this from my country.

how false. in saudi arabia women can go out by themselves can study and get paid to study

i feel you think women are oppressed under islamic law? islam gives woman the honour and respect she deserves

draco

What baffles me most is the Muslim women who actually feel happy to wear the hijab. It's oppressive.

actually its liberating. why should a woman who doesnt want a man to see her body be considered oppressed. its not of their business what a woman looks like, rather i think the woman who wears little clothes is oppressed because she feels with skanty clothes and much makeup thats the way she can get a man?
are we not worth so much more?

 

[mariam.]

In the countries with the most strickt and purest islamic law, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan under taleban, women couldnt go outside home without husband's permission.

to be honest .. If you search every page in the history pages you will find this unjust look toward women.

Maybe I don't know why .. But I think this look doesn't belong to God teaching .. It's come from our inside men and women.

Have you ever read that the french law until 1938 prevent the women to contracting without her husband or father agreement .. Whereas islam allow her to control her money with out any authority.
Islam freed us from this inferior look and ensure our purity and dignity ..

Now I will leave you with this koranic verses:
"say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms …"
"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them. That will be better, so that they may be recognized and not annoyed. Allah (SWT) is ever Forgiving, Merciful."
Our god order us men and women to preserve our modesty ..
He put in us this appetite then he congratulate it when we honor it to the right direction .. Marriage

" Among His Signs is this, that He created you from dust; and then, behold, ye are men scattered (far and wide)
And among His signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are signs for those who reflect."
As well prophet mohammad peace be upon him said :
(Asma, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it is not appropriate that anything besides this and this is visible of her. He said this while pointing towards his face and his hands.)

Our religion doesn't order us to stay at home rather it's order us to be responsible for the society. With our family, with our children, on the streets (in public), at our jobs, with our relatives and our neighbours, these are all our responsibility.
"O Consorts of the Prophet ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (God), be not too complaisant of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just "

but,Yes it's ask us to preserve our femininity only for our good ..
They accuse the Qur’an of directing its speech in the masculine form; therefore, some assume it is talking only to men. In actual fact, the Qur’an talks in the singular form, which is masculine, and that’s because the grammatical rules of Arabic demand that. It would be impossible to speak to both (in plural) in every verse. When Allah says in the Qur’an, what can be translated as, “..and Allah sets forth, as an example to those who believe….” , what do we expect? We expect that He mentions Prophet Noah or moses (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them) or the believer in Surat Yasin; any of the great men. But, in the Qur’an Allah says what can be translated as, “And Allah sets forth, as an example to those who believe, the wife of pharaoh….” and this verse is liable to answer the accusations that are directed to religion which presume that religion says that women are deficient in intelligence and religion.
Where Allah says what can be translated as, And Allah sets forth, as an example to those who believe, He means to clarify for equally both men and women to follow an example in beliefs. The verse is meant to be an example to all humanity. When he gives the second example, we expect that example to be a man.
For the second time, the role model we should take example of is a woman named Maryam (Mary), the daughter of Umran. But why does Allah want the good example of a believer on this earth to be of a woman? And why was the figure to resemble perfect submission to him to be that of a woman? Because the two main problems that lead to a corrupt world, are: 1) money and fame 2) Chastity. These are two main factors that mislead men and, eventually, the world. That’s why Allah has given us those two examples
The wife of Pharaoh where she says what can be translated as, “she said: "O my Lord! Build for me, in nearness to Thee, a mansion in the Garden….” She says a mansion in paradise, not a castle in paradise, as she used to live in a castle on the Nile River. And her husband used to say, “Am I not the king of Egypt and all those rivers run under my feet.”
She was not interested in the fame and money of Pharaoh. She refused money, glory and fame and preferred a house in Paradise. She resisted against the temptation of money and fame, and thus, is better by Allah than most men. Because of her resistance to the temptation of money and fame, she became an example for those men who let money and fame tempt and corrupt them.
Mariam the daughter of Umran that kept her virginity. She is an example for libidinal men and woman who are tempted by the other sex. This is our religion, which heightens the value of the woman.

But this bad picture that come from abusive tradition cover this shining picture of islam .

peace..

 

[SwiftSword]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SKXWbMsGpmk

 

[Intisar]

What baffles me most is the Muslim women who actually feel happy to wear the hijab. It's oppressive.

Are you serious? I wear the hijaab to please our Creator, not to please some man that our Creator created. The hijaab is far from oppression, granted people do mix it up with culture, I feel liberated walking around with everything but my hands and face covered because I know at the end of the day no one is looking at me but the girl next to me wearing leggings and a shirt. Ask any woman on the street how she feels when dressed with the hijaab as opposed to a Paris Hilton doppleganger. Trust fella, she will feel FAR from oppressed.

 

[tarek29]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1191257272188&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

First of all are we here to talk about Muslim here ot there, or group of Muslim here or there!?

Or we are talking Islam here!?

When Muslims will be one like ISLAM and we will all have Caliphate that will represent all Muslims Situation and opinion (Majority) then you can say that Muslim (ALL/Majority) say this or that!

Islam accepts all views and all opinions, if the Majority of our opinion here or there says that we cannot make women President then so be it, if the majority will say it is ok then we dont have any problem in that!

So if Brotherhood in Egypt this is thier majority opinion then this is their opinion and they have the full right for that and anyonje can either support or be oposite to it!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace

 

[Flanteus]

was going to point out about women in Saudi Arabia and how ridiculously wrong that fella but others already cover it up , also I hate the type of ppl that talk about other countries like they know exactly what is there and their talk filled with stupidity and ignorance.

oh and yes Culture =/= Islam .. get your facts together!

 

[namr777]

In Islam, all women are queens, they aren't jailed to the confines of the house, they are assured security, and they can delve into the research and knowledge they want to go into... Today's societies, we find women beggars!... can you imagine that, the entity in this world that Allah uses to bring new souls on this earth is suppressed to begging... not to forget women prostitution which comes from the pressure of society treating women as harshly as men... Islam gives women and men different different rights but they are fair...


It is true that many muslims have altered this and many families give their daughters to other men, just judging the "money" factor... but don't forget, if you seek answers, hit it at its core, read the quran (in Arabic, its perfect form) and meditate... don't judge the beauty and perfect state of islam, from people that claim to be muslims....

Good Luck,
And May Allah Guide You.

 

[caroline]

To my brother who believes Hijab to be oppressive. I am a Christian. Do you know that the Bible gives very specific instructions to women about covering their heads? Paul outlines it clearly in ICor 11. It says that a woman praying or testifying without her head covered bring shame upon her husband (her head). Read it.

From a personal standpoint I can tell you that Hijab is ANYTHING but oppressive. I sometimes cover my head for the simple reason that I feel a longing in my spirit to do so. I also wear modest clothing that I purchase from a Muslim retailer. I can tell you as a woman that there is a freedom in wearing those clothes that you might not be able to understand if you are not a woman, and if you have never worn them. Our society in the west is so infested with pornography that you don't even notice it any more. Women don't even realize that they are humiliated by all the pornography and seduction around them until they are free from it for a few minutes. We as women in the west, grow up being indoctrinated with the belief that we are only beautiful and valuable if we look, dress and behave like porn stars (you can think of this as Paris Hilton, Janet Jackson, etc but the truth is that it's pornogaphy and once you open your spirit to it you will see that clearly). Men in this culture are wounded by this phenomenon and they don't even know it. We are victims of sexual abuse and we don't even know it. We as women in the west have grown so accustomed to our culture of pornography that we dress our little girls in clothing styles that were specifically designed to elicit sexual arousal in grown men. Perhaps the child's clothing designer did not intend that but the clothing they design is patterned after women's clothing that's purpose is solely the seduction of sexual desire in men. Honest people will call this as it is.

The first time I was free from this was when I slipped on a jilbab and went to church. I felt more beautiful than I ever have in my life. I felt honored, Godly, and respected. People spoke to me in respectful ways. Men spoke and looked differently (so did women). Then when I put on the Hijab the feeling was complete. Having these clothes on feels like being embraced by the arms of God. It is freedom, not oppression.

Imagine if you had grown up going around naked and vulnerable and one day someone gave you some comfortable pants and clothes to protect you from the elements and to cover your private areas for the first time. Wouldn't you feel relieved and finally be able to walk around without feeling naked?

I know one thing about my society but am not sure if it is true in others. It is common among us to have occassional dreams that we have gotten up and went to work or the store or about our daily business and suddenly realize in a very public place that we have forgotten to put our pants or clothes on. Remember those dreams my brother? It's because our psyche knows we are exposed. Imagine how it feels in one of those dreams to get to cover up. Feels good, right?

No, Hijab is not oppressive. Being naked and violated in a pornographic society that gives you no rights to your own privacy is oppressive.

I know this from a lifetime of personal experience.

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

Hello Caroline,

Thank you for sharing you thoughts you've spoken much truth about the reality of society.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Do you know that the Bible gives very specific instructions to women about covering their heads? Paul outlines it clearly in ICor 11. It says that a woman praying or testifying without her head covered bring shame upon her husband (her head). Read it.

the Bbile ain't exactly the brightest bit of human literature, let alone Paul's letters.
And anyway, 1 Cor 11 say women are to be covered only during prayer.

From a personal standpoint I can tell you that Hijab is ANYTHING but oppressive.

It is freedom, not oppression.

It's not oppressive when women can choose to wear it. If it's compulsury, then it's opressive. And if I'm not wrong, the hijab is compulsory...

Imagine if you had grown up going around naked and vulnerable and one day someone gave you some comfortable pants and clothes to protect you from the elements and to cover your private areas for the first time. Wouldn't you feel relieved and finally be able to walk around without feeling naked?

It depends. If it weren't to cold and rainy and if other people were naked as well, I'd probabyl feel fine. Clothes would most probably annoy me, I might find them oppressive..
In traditional societies people walk around naked or semi-naked all the time and don't feel ashamed at all.
It's mostly the religious upbringing that inflicts us with "fear" of being naked. And there's also the idea of perfection brought to us by the media which causes low self-esteem about one's looks.

 

[caroline]

praying OR prophesying... some translate that as testifying or speaking of the Lord.

As for the rest, I can tell you as a woman in western society, that I feel oppressed and violated by the pornographic nature of our culture and that wearing hijab made me feel removed from that violation of my femininity. I felt I had reclaimed something that had been taken from me. It does NOT feel oppressive.

All I can do is share with you how it feels from my perspective.

 

[mariam.]

It's not oppressive when women can choose to wear it. If it's compulsury, then it's opressive. And if I'm not wrong, the hijab is compulsory...

it's big difference between God ordinance and human ordinance .. because God do not the least injustice to his Servants.

but, If Hijab compel on women from her husband or father then I can said with you it's oppressive, this two situation are completely different.

 

[Keltoi]

Women are only oppressed if they feel oppressed. That might sound strange, but it is true of anyone. The fact that many Muslim women choose to wear a hijab or whatever form of headwear is a personal and religious choice. It is only oppression if they wish to remove it but are beaten or threatened if they do so. I'm sure there are Muslim women somewhere who feel oppressed by the garments their religion dictates, but I'm sure there the majority do not feel oppressed...I would imagine most of them even feel "special" that they do so.

 

[caroline]

I have seen several instances in which a young teenage girl chooses to wear hijab even though her parents are discouraging her from it. When you see these young women speaking to their parents saying that they are willing to endure prejudice and bigotry because they prefer the hijab you understand that it is not oppressive. It is the bigotry and sexism of the society around us that is oppressive -- not the hijab which gives a woman privacy and honor and respects the rights of her femininity.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

praying OR prophesying... some translate that as testifying or speaking of the Lord.

As for the rest, I can tell you as a woman in western society, that I feel oppressed and violated by the pornographic nature of our culture and that wearing hijab made me feel removed from that violation of my femininity. I felt I had reclaimed something that had been taken from me. It does NOT feel oppressive.

All I can do is share with you how it feels from my perspective.

I know. I appreciate your view and above all I appreciate your courage. I'm sure many women want to wear it but are to afraid to.
You chose to wear it so logically it doesn't feel oppressive. Some women, on the other hand, have to wear it. I believe most don't find it oppressive as it is commanded in a book they strongly believe in, but some do. And those do not have the right to put it off. If they did, they could face prosecution. Now that's oppressive.

 

[caroline]

The US has laws about clothing as well. Indecent Exposure used to be a crime -- is it still? Of course the definition of "indecent" has changed a LOT. But I believe that's because the US has become such a pornographic society and our ideas about sexuality have become so perverted we don't even know how to respect our sexuality any more. Men marry strippers and don't care that their wife is up on stage before a bunch of strange men every night. It's amazing. It's really frightening when you think about it.
Where are we headed?:thumbs_do probably.

 

[MaiCarInMtl]

I don't usually enter this kind of conversation/debate, but the issue of the hijab is one that really gets to me.

I live in one of the most "liberated" cities in North America and I was raised catholic (although my family does not practice).

It was a few years ago that I started to notice how skewed things were here. I find it funny how we talk about feminism and being liberated yet we constantly demote ourselves to the status of disposable sexual objects for men to look upon, lust after for a few moments and then toss us aside! How demeaning! And yet we keep coming back for more! And we keep calling it freedom and EQUALITY!

I think that if a woman decides to wear a hijab and dress modestly (by her won choice), then good for her! I encourage it greatly and hope someday to have the guts to do it myself! I'm not saying I dress provocatively here, but there are times when I wear some clothing to go out and I just feel very self conscious and somewhat uncomfortable.

On another topic: I was reading that a man can hit/strike his wife if she dissobeys him repeatedly (and he has tried to reason with her, etc). Now, what if a man dissobeys his wife and she has tried to reason with him repeatedly - can she strike him? By dissobey, I don't interpret it as meaning something petty like not washing the dishes, I consider it to be something more fundamental, something that truly is wrong/immoral.

 

[adeeb]

I live in one of the most "liberated" cities in North America and I was raised catholic (although my family does not practice). .

that's very bad, that u say youre muslim, or jew or catholic but never practice.. i would say i'm atheis than muslim if i don't practice Islam...^o)

It was a few years ago that I started to notice how skewed things were here. I find it funny how we talk about feminism and being liberated yet we constantly demote ourselves to the status of disposable sexual objects for men to look upon, lust after for a few moments and then toss us aside! How demeaning! And yet we keep coming back for more! And we keep calling it freedom and EQUALITY!

yes, u get the idea then...:smile:

On another topic: I was reading that a man can hit/strike his wife if she dissobeys him repeatedly (and he has tried to reason with her, etc). Now, what if a man dissobeys his wife and she has tried to reason with him repeatedly - can she strike him? By dissobey, I don't interpret it as meaning something petty like not washing the dishes, I consider it to be something more fundamental, something that truly is wrong/immoral.

yes, like if the wife doesnt pray or fast ..and the husband tell her to pray, tell her the importance of praying, the mandatory of praying and fasting...

but the wife doesn't listen to him, the husband can do it.. but Islam also has regulation on that... it mustn't be painful....:shade: