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Yea but parents are also emotional creatures .... when they nourish us, they attach too many hopes to us. I am not justifying their actions but I am trying to understand their point of view as well.
 
Yea but parents are also emotional creatures .... when they nourish us, they attach too many hopes to us. I am not justifying their actions but I am trying to understand their point of view as well.
Good post ...Would the Prophet (PBUH) go into a man's house and bark out this is haram and you must do this and that, Allah commands it!..of course not, he would not have lived long if he behaved like this. Islam is about respect and working things through and guidance not totalitarianism. Domestic issues are very sensitive and pontificating over them is not a good way. Here is an example...lets say a girl falls in love with a man. She is full of lust for him. At the same time her father and mother have got a match for her, the match is a good Muslim and a good provider. Her father tells the daughter he has a match for her, she is not sure what to do or say so she asks a friend what to do. The friend is not an Imam but rants out bits of the Hadiths and bits of the Quran and advises her that she can refuse her father and mothers wishes. She goes home and refuses her parents wishes, things get heated and hysterical so she runs away and goes with the man that she loves, he advises that they must leave the area for fear of the parents, so she runs away with him. He turns out to be a professional slave dealer. Enough said.
 
Also getting too tied up in this and that is Halal and Haram is not a good idea as they are are in varying degrees of importance, the biggie is the Oneness of Allah, you cannot be forgiven if you are an idolater or worship any partners with Allah. Even the evil tyrant Sadam Hussain has a chance for Paradise as he converted to Islam before he was killed. Funny how he was buddies with the West for so long as he did his attrocities and he was crushed after he converted to Islam by the Legions of the West. And he called the USA the Great Satan...makes you think dosen't it?
 
Good post ...Would the Prophet (PBUH) go into a man's house and bark out this is haram and you must do this and that, Allah commands it!..of course not, he would not have lived long if he behaved like this. Islam is about respect and working things through and guidance not totalitarianism. Domestic issues are very sensitive and pontificating over them is not a good way. Here is an example...lets say a girl falls in love with a man. She is full of lust for him. At the same time her father and mother have got a match for her, the match is a good Muslim and a good provider. Her father tells the daughter he has a match for her, she is not sure what to do or say so she asks a friend what to do. The friend is not an Imam but rants out bits of the Hadiths and bits of the Quran and advises her that she can refuse her father and mothers wishes. She goes home and refuses her parents wishes, things get heated and hysterical so she runs away and goes with the man that she loves, he advises that they must leave the area for fear of the parents, so she runs away with him. He turns out to be a professional slave dealer. Enough said.

I can’t believe you are trying to justify forced marriage. There is no justification whatsoever. Enough said.

Nothing wrong with parents arranging a marriage but everything wrong with forced marriage even under this circumstance you have mentioned. She would be at fault, but her parents cannot force her to marry someone she does not want. Stop making excuses for it when the prophet peace be upon him said it was haram to force women to marry.

Since marriage can be invalid when forced and ruled invalid by Islamic court, it is absolutely the authority business not just domestic.

Mad scientist is right parents are emotional , even so, that does not mean force marriage is allowed! no means no!
 
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I can’t believe you are trying to justify forced marriage. There is no justification whatsoever. Enough said.

Nothing wrong with parents arranging a marriage but everything wrong with forced marriage even under this circumstance you have mentioned. She would be at fault, but her parents cannot force her to marry someone she does want. Stop making excuses for it when the prophet peace be upon him said it was haram to force women to marry.

Since marriage can be invalid when forced and ruled invalid by Islamic court, it is absolutely the authority business not just domestic.

Mad scientist is right parents are emotional , even so, that does not mean force marriage is allowed! no means no!
Neither me nor Karl said that forced marriages are allowed. But we have to first define what constitutes a forced marriage.
 
i cant believe this thread is still opened honestly..there no excuse for forced marriage in islam END OF it dosen matter what the situation

this thread should be closed now i think. its painting a bad picture of islam
 
Dear Brother

sorry but I was a bit struggling to establish a contact through but with no luck, so I have used one of your answers to send my question, I moving to Crawley in one month time with my family, and I am looking for an Islamic school or a good girls school for my daughter in Crawley, I need your urgent help please as I am running out of time before the summer holiday starts

ASA
 
Neither me nor Karl said that forced marriages are allowed. But we have to first define what constitutes a forced marriage.

What constitutes a forced marriage? When the girl says no!! or when she does not give an answer or when the marriage is sorted out without consulting her or when the parent disown her because
she says no!!!

"no mum and dad I dont want to marry" "i am not ready" is not enough for some people. How hard it is to understand force marriage and what constitutes a forced marriage. I think you are trying to justify it.
 
Dear Brother

sorry but I was a bit struggling to establish a contact through but with no luck, so I have used one of your answers to send my question, I moving to Crawley in one month time with my family, and I am looking for an Islamic school or a good girls school for my daughter in Crawley, I need your urgent help please as I am running out of time before the summer holiday starts

ASA

huh? go to advise and support section, you will find decent advise there.
 
The man leader would also have to spare time for his wife and children....

The husband can travel with her as well as the children and he can also have his job based on the government. He can earn whilst travelling.

And the decisions of wars get an easier with men does it? Not to mention she had a whole team behind her, scholars and other expert that would assist her to make important decisions.


its not a shopping centre where you can take your husband and kids

taking care of your kids and being their leader is better than leading a country
 
its not a shopping centre where you can take your husband and kids

taking care of your kids and being their leader is better than leading a country

You can take care of the kids and lead a country. But I understand women are not allowed to lead a country.
 

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