Won't you participate in my experiment please?

[truemuslim]

No One Knows

 

[truemuslim]

rasulallah and the quraan have alot of signs that we now kno about when the judgement day is near... allah is the only one who knows... and we are about to know sometime.... maybe after we die, maybe the next second, minute, hour, day, week, year, century, generation, allah knows...

 

[جوري]

When IS judgment day?

It will happen when it happens, I wouldn't be too concerned!

cheers

 

[جوري]

This is one of the problems i see with religion. There's always a build up towards something, apocalypse or dying and transcending to heaven/paradise etc. If life is good on earth, why not stay awhile. I'd be all in favour of this kind of treatment.

Actually, it isn't the 'problem with religion' it is the problem with life.. Death is the anticlimax, and serves to give contrast to life... there is a buildup whether you choose to acknowledge it or jubilantly hop down the primrose path!
cheers

 

[جوري]

I've always loved primroses!

*skip* *skip* *skip*

cool..do skip and hop right out of here

cheers

 

[جوري]

I can't read english. Find me an arabic sign.

Don't worry once exodus happens for you, you won't even need to be literate!

cheers

 

[MaiCarInMtl]

I don't want to live forever because I wouldn't be able handle having all the people I love pass away and I still be here.

 

[Qingu]

I don't want to live forever because I wouldn't be able handle having all the people I love pass away and I still be here.

I don't think this is a good reason. Non-immortals have to deal with loved ones passing away all the time. It's very sad, but it doesn't make life less worth living, at least not in my opinion.

 

[north_malaysian]

I've voted yes ... and would maintain using it forever Inshallah!!

Why? Because it's a duty of a Muslim to preserve his/her body in the healthiest condition ever as it's given by Allah. If this product can give me the healthiest life ever... I'll go for it. Whether I live longer or not it's upon Allah to decide.

You can take this product for 1,000 times per day... but you still can die while crossing the road right?

My intention is to stay healthy... not to live forever.

 

[MaiCarInMtl]

I don't think this is a good reason. Non-immortals have to deal with loved ones passing away all the time. It's very sad, but it doesn't make life less worth living, at least not in my opinion.

In a regular lifespan, I find the average person deals enough with loved ones passing away. The prospect of seeing my spouse, children and grand-children die long before me is horrible and something I would not wish on anyone. I have seen the suffering people go through when they lose a child and would not want to see anyone go through this, much less willingly put myself through it. It's not in the natural order of things.

So I'm sorry if my answer isn't a good enough reason for you, but it's more than enough of a reason for me.

 

[Walter]

Hi Purest Ambrosia:

I chose yes. The reason is that God prepared a body for us to live on this earth. This is where we belong. Unfortunately, our disobedience has resulted in a shortened lifespan.

Imagine if we could live functionally for 500 years. If we can learn so much in only 20 to 40 years, imagine if we had the time to study and practise, in depth, any subject. Limited time robs us of this opportunity. So does a packed schedule. I would therefore like to live on the earth as God had originally intended for over 1,000 years.

The Bible indicates that following our death, we will have a new body. For what purpose? Well, to live in the new earth that will be created. We are not designed or destined to live permanently in heaven, and there is no scriptural support for this teaching.

Regards,
Grenville

 

[Amat Allah]

Beautiful topic Aki fe Allah

I am %100 with my brother

Alpha Dude


jazakom Allah the paradise

 

[جوري]

Hi Purest Ambrosia:
We are not designed or destined to live permanently in heaven, and there is no scriptural support for this teaching.

Regards,
Grenville

Good to see you back..

I didn't know that there is no permanency in heaven, can you shed more light on that in accordance to the bible?

thanks

peace!

 

[Walter]

Hi Purest Ambrosia:

I have been quite busy, and still am. The relevant portions of Revelation 20 and 21 are provided below. Rev 20 is there to provide the proper sequential context.

Rev 20
11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Rev 21
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” 6 And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”​

So we have a new heaven. Why? Well the Bible notes that there was war in heaven with satan, so presumably there must have been some damage. We also have a new earth. Why? We have made a mess of it and will probably make a bigger mess with nuclear and persistent chemical weapons.

Regards,
Grenville

 

[جوري]

interesting..
so do you believe the heaven that Adam was expelled from, is the same one that people are to presumably go to after death? or after resurrection?

there is such a difference between Islamic views and christian views on this..

thanks for sharing

peace

 

[Grace Seeker]

interesting..
so do you believe the heaven that Adam was expelled from, is the same one that people are to presumably go to after death? or after resurrection?

there is such a difference between Islamic views and christian views on this..

thanks for sharing

peace

I think I am learning something here, a difference between Islamic and Christian views with regard to Adam that I was not aware existed before.

We view the the garden of Eden in which God placed Adam (and Eve) as having been on earth, not in heaven. Therefore, Adam was never expelled from heaven.

 

[جوري]

I think I am learning something here, a difference between Islamic and Christian views with regard to Adam that I was not aware existed before.

We view the the garden of Eden in which God placed Adam (and Eve) as having been on earth, not in heaven. Therefore, Adam was never expelled from heaven.

The garden from which they were expelled according to islam was neither on earth, nor the paradise promised to the righteous.. even (paradise) in and of itself has different levels.. we believe people have to earn their place and not all people are equal in that regard.
in other words and I am not judging someone like anna nicole smith, was constantly wearing the cross and speaking of baby Jesus but her other life was nothing short of a spectacle, I have had some christians argue that just because she accepted the covenant through jesus that all her sins would be forgiven and she received in heaven. I find it a bit odd.. I'd be a little vexed, how can someone who spends all their life in piety and chastity and dedication be equal to someone who (%^%&(^&%^%) through life?

either way judgement doesn't go through me, so even if someone is forgiven and Allah has assigned to himself the law of mercy, people wouldn't be going to the same heaven, someone who went to hell to be expiated from hell, will not be in the same abode of say David, or Solomon. although all the dwellers or paradise are free to visit each other, people usually go from the lower levels to the higher ones, not vice versa...

this makes sense to me, because I believe everyone earns their way through life and earns their way in the here after as well..

peace!

 

[Keltoi]

I think Purest Ambrosia's description of paradise shows an even stronger difference in Christian and Islamic views of Heaven. The Bible doesn't tell us the nature of Heaven, at least not in the way described by Purest. Of course there is Dante's description of Hell, but that isn't doctrinal or accepted as some form of divine revelation.

 

[Grace Seeker]

A discussion of the differing views of heaven (let alone entry to heaven) that exist might be an interesting thread in and of itself. We would probably even get some debate amongst the Christians because this is an area where I do not find the Bible to be entirely clear.

 

[جوري]

yup.. believe it or not Dante stole from Islamic literature about the layers of heaven and hell, only to end up putting Muslims and a mosque in hell.. I am surprised he wasn't sued for plagiarism and is instead acclaimed for his inferno!

cheers