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Better say nothing anymore ! This pic has been already posted somewhere else in the forum titled 'Palestinian Kids throw stones at jewish soldiers.' And guess what, he has been caught, thats why he sit there on the hood !


Aha, so arresting a child for throwing stones at militants? Aha..aha..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm

So, what should we do about militants who shoot at children?
 
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Lina, a few comments on your post above. First, if I in the Unites States threw a stones at police, and continued after around ten warning, stones can kill so they will at least use rubber ammo, which is what Israel uses almost all of the time. It is inacceptable to do such a violent act. If you do so YOU are creating the violent situations. If you view throwing stones as resisting the "occupation" than they can be classified as enemy combatants.

Do you want to know the crime for throwing stones at police in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran etc? I would think you would not.
 
Rav do you have any statistics or can point me to a source that wil verify your statement that police use rubber bullets all the time? The reason i say is that i see pictures all the time from inside Israel that confirm the contrary. I saw a documentary on channel 4 the other day that showed Jewish people in the occupied lands throwing stones and forcing innocent palestinians out of their homes are these not militants? should they not be arrested? One rule for palestinians in their own homes and another for their Jewish occupiers pfff

In KSA stone throwing at the police will get you thrown in Jail. Rav Israel is a democratic state and in this way it makes it better than its Arab neighbours but you lot have allot to learn about civil rights. Surly being a democratic state you should show your Arab neighbours how to handle violent uprisings rather than cluster bombing everyone.
 
Rav do you have any statistics or can point me to a source that wil verify your statement that police use rubber bullets all the time? The reason i say is that i see pictures all the time from inside Israel that confirm the contrary. I saw a documentary on channel 4 the other day that showed Jewish people in the occupied lands throwing stones and forcing innocent palestinians out of their homes are these not militants? should they not be arrested? One rule for palestinians in their own homes and another for their Jewish occupiers pfff

Actually on the contrary HBot, I have personally seen Israeli soldiers fire rubber bullets at Jewish settlers who were throwing stones. It is just as criminal as if Arab do it.

Now to the statistics: Official IDF policy is to use rubber bullets when it comes to crowd control if protesters begin throwing stones (which are lethal). However, they have now switched to "sand bullets" which are even less dangerous and all human rights groups praised the move. The only time live ammo will ever be fired according to the IDF is if Palestinians show live ammo weapons.

I can provide you with some Herbew links if you understand them or wish to get them translated.

In KSA stone throwing at the police will get you thrown in Jail. Rav Israel is a democratic state and in this way it makes it better than its Arab neighbours but you lot have allot to learn about civil rights. Surly being a democratic state you should show your Arab neighbours how to handle violent uprisings rather than cluster bombing everyone.

And how are they to brng you to jail if they cannot get near you because you are throwing huge stones at them? Could they possibly use weapons that are non-lethal to disable your throwing ability so they can put you in jail?

Peace and have a great week.
 
Please provide me with the Hebrew links as funnily enough i understand it.
 
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Lina, a few comments on your post above. First, if I in the Unites States threw a stones at police, and continued after around ten warning, stones can kill so they will at least use rubber ammo, which is what Israel uses almost all of the time. It is inacceptable to do such a violent act. If you do so YOU are creating the violent situations. If you view throwing stones as resisting the "occupation" than they can be classified as enemy combatants.

Do you want to know the crime for throwing stones at police in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran etc? I would think you would not.

Can stones damage a jeep?
Are u seriously saying that a child who throws a stone at a militant will be of any threat to them?

Look at the picture, do you see Isreali militants not wearing combat gear?
They can take stones, children however cannot take anything, under such condition where being confronted with military assaults. Bullets should not be a response to stones.

Because that's all they have: stones to protect themselves.
If you are drawing a comparison to America, then these children turned out fine, if all they are doing is throwing stones, didn't they?

Right, right: a child can be classified as an enemy combatant.
Please, review what you just claimed, because you're trying to justify something which is clearly against our fundamental human rights.
These armed conflicts have a huge impact on them, they should not even be in such positions, ever.

Should we compare these acts to Saudi, Pakistan and Iran?
Are those the standards we should go by?
I'm not discussing these countries, we're discussing Isreal and their criminal behaviour towards children, which are intolarable, not matter what.

And The Almighty knows best.
 
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Please provide me with the Hebrew links as funnily enough i understand it.

IDF follows the international laws of human dignirty, Enjoy:

הקוד האתי של צה"ל

הקדמה
צבא ההגנה לישראל הוא צבאה של מדינת ישראל. צה"ל פועל בכפיפות לרשויות השלטון האזרחי הדמוקרטי, ובכפוף לחוקי המדינה. מטרת צה"ל היא להגן על קיומה של מדינת ישראל ועל עצמאותה, ולסכל מאמצי אויב לשבש את אורח החיים התקין בה. חיילי צה"ל מחוייבים להילחם, להקדיש את כל כוחותיהם, ואף לחרף את נפשם להגנת מדינת ישראל, אזרחיה ותושביה. חיילי צה"ל יפעלו עפ"י ערכי צה"ל ופקודותיו, תוך שמירה על חוקי המדינה וכבוד האדם, וכיבוד ערכיה של מדינת ישראל כמדינה יהודית ודמוקרטית.

"רוח צה"ל" - הגדרה ומקורות
"רוח צה"ל" הוא תעודת הזהות הערכית של צה"ל, אשר ראוי שתעמוד ביסוד הפעולות של כל חייל וחיילת בשירות סדיר ובשירות מילואים. "רוח צה"ל" וכללי הפעולה הנגזרים ממנו הם הקוד האתי של צה"ל. "רוח צה"ל" ישמש את צה"ל, על חייליו, מפקדיו, יחידותיו וחילותיו, בעיצוב דפוסי הפעולה שלהם. על פי "רוח צה"ל" ינהגו, יחנכו ויבקרו את עצמם ואת זולתם. "רוח צה"ל" יונק מארבע מקורות:
מסורת צה"ל ומורשת הלחימה שלו כצבא ההגנה לישראל.
מסורת מדינת ישראל על עקרונותיה הדמוקרטים, חוקיה ומוסדותיה.
מסורת העם היהודי לדורותיו.
ערכי מוסר אוניברסליים המבוססים על ערך האדם וכבודו.


hamate-hameshutaf.org.il/Adcan/Files/File2.doc


Can stones damage a jeep?
Are u seriously saying that a child who throws a stone at a militant will be of any threat to them?

Look at the picture, do you see Isreali militants not wearing combat gear?
They can take stones, children however cannot take anything, under such condition where being confronted with military assaults. Bullets should not be a response to stones.

They are not all in jeeps and stone throwing does not merely occur at the riot control officers, but against any civilian in the way. As I have said all who throw stones including Jews are arrested, you can see that example perfectly in many cases (one being the gay pride parade, another being a presidential protest of Olmert.)

1. Bullets are not the response, rubber bullets and now sand bullets which are the least lethal are the response. People have a right to protest peacefuly but when someone begins to throw stones, no longer is it a protest. It is assault.

Because that's all they have: stones to protect themselves.
If you are drawing a comparison to America, then these children turned out fine, if all they are doing is throwing stones, didn't they?

Right, right: a child can be classified as an enemy combatant.
Please, review what you just claimed, because you're trying to justify something which is clearly against our fundamental human rights.
These armed conflicts have a huge impact on them, they should not even be in such positions, ever.

If they should not be in such a position than they should not be at a rock throwing protest. The children when throwing rocks are commiting an act of violence. But let us not twist it around. We are speaking of rock throwing, not children throwing rocks. The majority of the time they are adults and a rock can kill a person if you choose to believe it or not.

Our human rights protect us from having rocks thrown at us, in which some cases can kill innocent people. The police are there to prevent that. If someone is arrested and refuses to follow orders and begins throwing rocks but do you suggest they do?


Should we compare these acts to Saudi, Pakistan and Iran?
Are those the standards we should go by?
I'm not discussing these countries, we're discussing Isreal and their criminal behaviour towards children, which are intolarable, not matter what.

And The Almighty knows best.

The standards? I was going on the impression that Iran and Saudi Arabia were the closest we are to Sharia law in this world. I thought those were YOUR standards. Maybe not.
 
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Two questions:
Where does "palastine" end.Hamas says its at the sea.
And can you tell me about the "Human sheild" incidents

Better say nothing anymore ! This pic has been already posted somewhere else in the forum titled 'Palestinian Kids throw stones at jewish soldiers.' And guess what, he has been caught, thats why he sit there on the hood !

Here are some examples:

1. IDF Soldiers Use Nablus Youths As ‘Human Shield:’

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3387356,00.html

2. Israeli's Use Palestinian Girl As Human Shield:

http://freethoughtmanifesto.blogspot.com/2007/03/israel-uses-palestinanin-as-human.html

3. Israel Accused Of Rights Abuses:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6074B659-0986-4A56-A0A1-850B546DEE1F.htm

4. Army Uses Israeli Arabs As Shield:

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2006-08/08/02.shtml

5. Israel: Stop Forcing Civilians to Assist Military Operations:

Investigate and Prosecute Those Responsible for Using Civilians as Shields

(Human Rights Watch):

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2007/03/16/isrlpa15506.htm

6. Nablus Invasion Diary II: Human Shields and Medical Obstruction:

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6671.shtml

7. Israeli Soldiers Use Two Palestinian Minors As Human Shields:

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6645.shtml

8. Israeli Army 'Used Human Shields:'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6432133.stm

9. Is Israel Using Arab Villages As Human Shields?"

http://counterpunch.org/cook07192006.html

10. Nablus: Operation "Hot Winter" - Interview With Human Shield:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiO0GYsyR4A&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ffreethoughtmanifesto%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F2007%2F03%2Fstop%2Dforcing%2Dcivilians%2Dto%2Dassist%2Ehtml[/media]

 
Aha, so arresting a child for throwing stones at militants? Aha..aha..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3650791.stm

So, what should we do about militants who shoot at children?

Come on, you cannot tell me, that you are so naive? Israelis would tie a kid to a jeep as a human shield and let Photographers take pictures of that?
This kid throw stones at the jewish soldiers and has been caught by them and tie up to the jeep till they bring him away or release him, I don't know

It takes me too long to find back the thread here in the forum else I would show it to you.
 

Here are some examples:

1. IDF Soldiers Use Nablus Youths As ‘Human Shield:’

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3387356,00.html

2. Israeli's Use Palestinian Girl As Human Shield:

http://freethoughtmanifesto.blogspot.com/2007/03/israel-uses-palestinanin-as-human.html

3. Israel Accused Of Rights Abuses:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6074B659-0986-4A56-A0A1-850B546DEE1F.htm


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Awww come on, so silly. I can provide you hundreds of links also where Palestinian kids throw stones at jews. So what is the point? You will not impress me with your links that only jews throw stones.

Palestinian kids are innocent... yeah right !

kidsmarch.jpg


So Shameful !:cry:
 
Awww come on, so silly. I can provide you hundreds of links also where Palestinian kids throw stones at jews. So what is the point? You will not impress me with your links that only jews throw stones.

Yes, throwing stones at soldiers is much worse, than having soldiers fire back bullets, eh?

Throwing stones is worse, than having soldiers use a Palestinian as a shield so he/she would be the first to get a bullet.

Palestinian kids are innocent... yeah right !

kidsmarch-1.jpg


So Shameful !:cry:

Why don't you post the many pictures of Israeli fathers showing their kids how to fire an Uzi?

Why don't you show photos of the Israeli children who signed artillery shells: "To Lebanon, With Love From Israel." right before they were fired by the IDF at Lebanese civilians.

That's what's shameful.

If you're serious about me showing you photo's of Jews throwing stones, I can do you one better, and provide a video of it.

If you'd also like, I can post a video of a nice Jewish boy telling a British reporter,
"Yes, we killed your f--king Jesus!
 
Palestinians kids are the one who are suffering from everything, their the one being blocked off from aid, and witnessing their parents raped or jailed for no apparent reason, Palestinians children want to fight because those kids and maybe there fathers have lived there whole lives in occupation and they don't understand peace due to the violent regime of the Israeli Government.

It is those people of Israel who are arrogant who have denied these generations and the generation before them peace. glory be to palestine
 
Palestinians kids are the one who are suffering from everything, their the one being blocked off from aid, and witnessing their parents raped or jailed for no apparent reason, Palestinians children want to fight because those kids and maybe there fathers have lived there whole lives in occupation and they don't understand peace due to the violent regime of the Israeli Government.

It is those people of Israel who are arrogant who have denied these generations and the generation before them peace. glory be to palestine


suuuuure ! And then letting an innocent kid hold a weapon in his small hands is ok? It's still grownup people who hand them the weapons, right?
 

Yes, throwing stones at soldiers is much worse, than having soldiers fire back bullets, eh?

Throwing stones is worse, than having soldiers use a Palestinian as a shield so he/she would be the first to get a bullet.


Why don't you post the many pictures of Israeli fathers showing their kids how to fire an Uzi?

Why don't you show photos of the Israeli children who signed artillery shells: "To Lebanon, With Love From Israel." right before they were fired by the IDF at Lebanese civilians.

That's what's shameful.

If you're serious about me showing you photo's of Jews throwing stones, I can do you one better, and provide a video of it.

If you'd also like, I can post a video of a nice Jewish boy telling a British reporter,
"Yes, we killed your f--king Jesus!

Nope, the message I want to pass you is, that not only Jews are bad. You post before several links of jews doing horrible things, but at least be decent and admit that Palestinians are no way better.
In this war is no winner, wether you like it or not

It's just, when links/pics/videos of bad jews are shown, everybody cheer and clap, but as soon as somebody confront you with the other side, everybody stand up and start to become insulting and agressive!

And stop to provide me with links/videos or whatever, I'm not impressed. The other side is no way better. I can also provide you some real horrible links and videos. But I guess, they would be deleted and I will be warned in the forum because I'm a 'Kuffar', right?
 
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Palestinians kids are the one who are suffering from everything, their the one being blocked off from aid, and witnessing their parents raped or jailed for no apparent reason, Palestinians children want to fight because those kids and maybe there fathers have lived there whole lives in occupation and they don't understand peace due to the violent regime of the Israeli Government.

It is those people of Israel who are arrogant who have denied these generations and the generation before them peace. glory be to palestine

Raped? Jailed for no reason? Why would Israel want to waste the money feeding them if you they hate Palestinians so much? Why jail people who are not breaking the law. Your theories make no sense.

Maybe the "violent regime of Israel" has indeed been violent at times, but how about Hamas and Fatah? They are having open gun battles on the street as we speak! Blowing up houses in which they believe their enemies live and fighting in front of the eyes of children, do you blame Israel for this? You cannot. Hamas and Fatah cannot even form a peace deal, how on earth can the state of Israel ever expect to make peace with the Palestinians than?

Why don't you show photos of the Israeli children who signed artillery shells: "To Lebanon, With Love From Israel." right before they were fired by the IDF at Lebanese civilians.

That's what's shameful.

As shameful as Palestinians using mickey mouse to incite Palestinian kids to hate and demonize all Jews? I believe they are equally shameful.
 
Raped? Jailed for no reason? Why would Israel want to waste the money feeding them if you they hate Palestinians so much? Why jail people who are not breaking the law. Your theories make no sense.

As shameful as Palestinians using mickey mouse to incite Palestinian kids to hate and demonize all Jews? I believe they are equally shameful.

Are you implying that Jews are not racist?? LOL, that's news to me!
 
Are you implying that Jews are not racist?? LOL, that's news to me!

Do you hate me? What have I ever done to even suggest I am racist? Can you, in your own words, explain to me what exactly has lead you to such a conclusion? One point at a time please so I can truly understand your point of view.
 
But I guess, they would be deleted and I will be warned in the forum because I'm a 'Kuffar', right?

Wrong!

The mods here are very fair. They are equal opportunity deleters.

I've been a member for 2 months now, and have had about 20 posts deleted...
 
As shameful as Palestinians using mickey mouse to incite Palestinian kids to hate and demonize all Jews? I believe they are equally shameful.

Pioneers of tommorow is all tame stuff. Dont you have Have kids of 6 or 7 phone in and tell the Kids TV presenter that you are going to "blow yourself to bits for the sake of god?"

Thats standard Kids TV stuff in the UK & Israel isnt it?

I was reading my daughters Key Stage 1 schoolbooks the other day and they were all filled with how vile the welsh were, how glorious it was to slaughter them, and how sneaky, distrustful and treacherous they are.That they never wash.
These were maps to colour in that showed Englands streaching from the North sea to the Irish sea, and songs about killing the welsh.

So I dont get your point. Teaching Kids to tear themselves to shreds and to hate a nation to the point of wiping them out is perfectly reasonable isnt it?

Anyway, Kids throwing a few rocks is totally harmless. Your overeacting.

nablus.stonesbig.jpg
 
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Everybody dance now.

We can be arguing who is the most aggressive out of pals and israelis until the cows come home. Fact is none of us are living there experiencing the crap on a daily basis. We just see a pic on news/internet and go: ''hey look it's a palestinian/israeli kid capping some other dude. OMG sooooooooooo bad, die israeli/palestinian scum!!!!111oneeleven.''

Also, I think we have gone completely off topic and my rule overrides you guys's opinions since this is my 'yard'.

In laymans terms:

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