Would you like some Mcdonalds ?

[Tyrion]

Like the sis above has said, there is no place for personal opinions in islam, either you follow what Allah has commanded or you don't. There is no difference of opinion amongst scholars on the matter either, there is only one valid ruling - you can only eat meat that is slaughtered according islamic law. Either that or you can easily survive on vegetables and seafood.



Not because Allah says so in the Qur'an?

Calm down. From my understanding, there ARE differences of opinion. It's alright if you don't think so, but all I'm saying is to respect those who hold a slightly different view.

I have started to eat Halal meat for a number of reasons, including Islamic ones. I do however understand where other people are coming from when their opinion on the issue differs from my own.

 

[aadil77]

Calm down. From my understanding, there ARE differences of opinion. It's alright if you don't think so, but all I'm saying is to respect those who hold a slightly different view.

I have started to eat Halal meat for a number of reasons, including Islamic ones. I do however understand where other people are coming from when their opinion on the issue differs from my own.

There is no difference of opinion, its just a misconception amongst muslims that saying bismillah will make the meat halal.

You can read more about it below:

By Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Posted: 15 Muharram 1422, 9 April 2001


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Q.) Some people in the Arab countries say that as per some hadith whose meaning is something like this "That people asked as to whether we should eat from food offered from people of other religions, as we do not know of if it is Halal or not" upon which the answer from the Holy Prophet was that say Bismillah and eat."
I do not know the exact words nor I know this hadith. Please advice. Wassalam. Hasan - Jeddah.


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A.) The Hadith in the question is incorrectly quoted.

The Hadith in reference is quoted in Bukhari. The Sahaba, Radi-Allahu anhum, enquired from Rasulullah about the meat slaughtered by the A’araab (Muslims living in the outskirts). Since they have recently accepted Islam and the Sahaba, Radi-Allahu anhum, did not witness the slaughtering and the Tasmiyah (reciting of Bismillah) during the slaughter, that created a doubt in them.

Upon that, Rasulullah said, "You say Bismillah and eat the meat." In other words, you do what you are supposed to do, that is, recite Bismillah before eating and do not have a baseless doubt as the animal is slaughtered by Muslims who must have recited Tasmiyah before slaughtering. The order to recite Bismillah and eat was not as a substitute for the Bismillah at the time of slaughtering. (Fathul Bari; Ibn Hajar)

It is not permissible to purchase meat from non-Muslim outlets and simply recite Bismillah and eat it.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

 

[coolhaseena786]

Good question. I think mainly because most Muslims living in America and/or UK don't research the actual ingredients found in the fish meals and French fries. From my own personal experience with some of my family members, most of the Muslims don't know that the process cooking the fish meals is haram. Due to the hectic busy lives here in America and/or UK, most Muslims I think want a quick meal so that's why they chose to eat McDonald's. To answer your question, it's basically due to lack of knowledge Muslims go to McDonald's.

 

[Asiyah3]

From my understanding, there ARE differences of opinion.

Please do bring your evidence. From the Qur'aan and Sunnah, or are your beliefs and way of life based on what some do and say contrary to the Qur'aan and Sunnah?

 

[Ansariyah]

The food is horrible, the service sucks...Plus no one can really guarantee u 100% that any of their Food is really Halal!

 

[nature]

I know some muslims believe that if you do go into any of these Mcdonalds or Kfs, reciting "Bismillah" makes the food permissable/halal such as chicken, which i dont think is correct either but Allaah knows best.

LOL! i have cousins like that. they also eat the chicken/beef burgers that we know arent halal, yet they think its ok. ?

I have started to eat Halal meat for a number of reasons, including Islamic ones. I do however understand where other people are coming from when their opinion on the issue differs from my own.

so you didnt consume halal meat before ? interesting. odd question but cant you taste the difference ?

The food is horrible, the service sucks...Plus no one can really guarantee u 100% that any of their Food is really Halal!

I actually lived off macdonals, it was convenient, even if it was unhealthy. I had heard rumours that along with the fish burgers, the fry the chips in some sort of animal fat. I stopped going since then, but i did have a discussion with a friend ysday, who refused to put their life on hold, when it comes to rumours LOL, i think its fascinating how people are so passionate about their love of food, that they would rather still go ahead and consume stuff like this, even though they aint sure if its halal or not.

 

[Rafeeq]

I do not eat mecdonalds.... I don't like it

 

[أحمد]

I've heard some Muslims only buy the chips and fish burger..... o_o

Those are probably cooked in the same oil, as the pork, and other haraam stuff. Its best to avoid anything, which is haraam or doubtful.

:wa:

 

[sabr*]

Fish is Hilal and in some countries the entire menu! Travel a little!

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

The fish served in McDonalds is permissible for those who follow the Sunna and observe halal dietary laws. Doesn't require a fatwa to agree with what Allah has permitted. There are McDonalds in Muslim dominated countries that serve Hilal meat.

http://www.mcdonaldsarabia.com/




Even as fatwa's are sought out to justify ones current habits.

Unless there is a Muslim who has factual evidence on fish served at a particular McDonald's being mixed with non-Halal ingredients and not conjecture.

The oil the fish is fried in is Vegetable Oil. (Did a check today in my area and called McDonald's corporate: http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/contact_us.html).

Even when the Dalil (evidence) from Quran is presented the arguments and conjecture will continue.

Surah Ma'idah 5:96

96. Lawful to you is (the pursuit of) water-game and its use for food - for the benefit of yourselves and those who travel, but forbidden is (the pursuit of) land-game as long as you are in a state of Ihram (for Hajj or 'Umrah). And fear Allah to Whom you shall be gathered back.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah An-Nahl 16:14

14. And He it is Who has subjected the sea (to you), that you eat thereof fresh tender meat (i.e. fish), and that you bring forth out of it ornaments to wear. And you see the ships ploughing through it, that you may seek (thus) of His Bounty (by transporting the goods from place to place) and that you may be grateful.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah Fatir 35:12

12. And the two seas (kinds of water) are not alike, this fresh sweet, and pleasant to drink, and that saltish and bitter. And from them both you eat fresh tender meat (fish), and derive the ornaments that you wear. And you see the ships cleaving (the sea-water as they sail through it), that you may seek of His Bounty, and that you may give thanks.
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Even as the clear evidence is presented some will be the most contentious.

 

[nature]

Re: Fish is Hilal and in some countries the entire menu! Travel a little!

The fish served in McDonalds is permissible for those who follow the Sunna and observe halal dietary laws. Doesn't require a fatwa to agree with what Allah has permitted. There are McDonalds in Muslim dominated countries that serve Hilal meat.

Isnt it better to not eat it ? if were unsure ? if its a muslim country, then its obvious its gona be halal, but like the uk, its debatable, wat they actually fry things in.

 

[أحمد]

Isnt it better to not eat it ? if were unsure ? if its a muslim country, then its obvious its gona be halal, but like the uk, its debatable, wat they actually fry things in.

There are a few "halal only" branches of McDonald's in Britain, but those are very few. Majority of British McDonald's, do fry stuff all in the same oil. Earlier on, I wasn't 100% sure, so I only stated that they may do so. So, the only "halal" food you'll get from a British McDonald's, would be from one of those few halal branches.

Of course, people will continue to make excuses for "McDonald's", but we have to keep in mind that they've got their "reasons" to make excuses. McDonald's is home to many employees, including Muslims.

My post is about the "non-halal" branches of McDonald's, in Britain only.

:wa:

 

[sabr*]

Isnt it better to not eat it ? if were unsure ? if its a muslim country, then its obvious its gona be halal, but like the uk, its debatable, wat they actually fry things in.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Ukhti nature:

when we had access to halil meat it was only Zabihah (lawful process of slaughtering meat by Islamic dietary laws) and we wouldn't promote eating at any resturant that wasn't Zabihah mainly because of cross contamination of haram (unlawful) products.

http://www.zabihah.com/b/United-States+125

Our previous post only addressed those who attempt to prohibit what Allah has made Hilal (dietarily lawful) which is fish.

There are various reasons why people promote abstaining from eating at certain franchises, those who do it because of politics or hatred of a country and not because Allah directed is what we address. The tribalism motives and not making Allahs word superior. The conspiracy theories and endless conjecture.

The I think syndrome (personal opinions) verses what Allah and his Nabi (

) has directed.

If a practicing Muslim is unaware of the contents and processing of any food they should abstain especially when Halil alternatives are available.

Muslims should only persue facts and not promote a lifetime of guessing and assuming.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: Fish is Hilal and in some countries the entire menu! Travel a little!

Isnt it better to not eat it ? if were unsure ? if its a muslim country, then its obvious its gona be halal, but like the uk, its debatable, wat they actually fry things in.

Muslims should only persue facts and not promote a lifetime of guessing and assuming.

So, go to the McDonalds website and you will no longer have to guess or be unsure:

What oils do you cook with?
McDonald’s uses a Canola blend cooking oil. All fried menu items in McDonald’s U.S. restaurants are now 0 grams trans fat per serving. This includes French Fries, Hash Browns, all non-grilled chicken choices and the Filet-O-Fish.



Are peanut or soy used in your vegetable oil blend?
We use a Canola blend cooking oil, which does contain some soybean oil. All fried menu items in McDonald's U.S. restaurants are now 0 grams trans fat per serving. This includes French Fries, Hash Browns, all chicken choices and the Filet-O-Fish.



Do you fry different types of meat in the same oil?
No, our fried menu items (some chicken and fish menu items) are cooked in separate oil baskets.

 

[أحمد]

Re: Fish is Hilal and in some countries the entire menu! Travel a little!

So, go to the McDonalds website and you will no longer have to guess or be unsure:

I don't blindly trust any website, so I went and checked (At Bimingham, outside the Pallasades). Its interesting how they "confidentally" make a statement on their website, which is obviously untrue. Whether its untrue for only "less important" parts of the country (where there're less "upper class" people), or its true for everywhere, I'm not sure. I just know about where I checked.

:wa:

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: Fish is Hilal and in some countries the entire menu! Travel a little!

I don't know where Bimingham is. The above was for McDonald's in the USA. What did they tell you at the one you visited?

 

[أحمد]

Re: Fish is Hilal and in some countries the entire menu! Travel a little!

I don't know where Bimingham is. The above was for McDonald's in the USA. What did they tell you at the one you visited?

Birmingham's in Britain (UK). I went there, asked them if they fry "stuff" in the same oil, and sure enough- they do. Even the "halal" branches fry everything in the same oil; the difference is that the halal branches only prepare and serve halal food.

So yes, McDonald's does have halal branches, offering halal food; cooked in oil which is only used for cooking halal food. These branches are very few, but do exist.

:wa:

 

[Grace Seeker]

And, according to McDonald's website, in the USA everything is fried in the same type of oil, but not the same fryer. In the restaurants that I have personal knowledge how it is done we had one large fryer in which all the french fries and hashbrowns were cooked. Then we had a different smaller fryer for the chicken and for the fish. I can't remember right now what fryer the hot apple pies were cooked in.

 

[Insaanah]

McDonald's were taken to issue over fries that weren't vegetarian ten years ago:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1348296.stm and lessons seem to have been learned from that.

However, even now, what can, at face value, appear to be the vegetarian/halal option, such as the Veggie Deli, may not be:
http://www.shropshirelive.com/2010/11/05/mcdonalds-spicy-veggie-deli-non-vegetarian/

 

[أحمد]

And, according to McDonald's website, in the USA everything is fried in the same type of oil, but not the same fryer. In the restaurants that I have personal knowledge how it is done we had one large fryer in which all the french fries and hashbrowns were cooked. Then we had a different smaller fryer for the chicken and for the fish. I can't remember right now what fryer the hot apple pies were cooked in.

Apple pies are usually baked, I'm not sure if they fry them in USA. By "the same oil", I didn't suggest it was "separate"; I stated it as it was. It maybe different in USA, but that hardly solves the problem for everyone else. That's the reason for them introducing "halal branches" of McDonald's in Britain.

:wa:

 

[nature]

Re: Fish is Hilal and in some countries the entire menu! Travel a little!

when we had access to halil meat it was only Zabihah (lawful process of slaughtering meat by Islamic dietary laws) and we wouldn't promote eating at any resturant that wasn't Zabihah mainly because of cross contamination of haram (unlawful) products.

Did i say otherwise ? your point ?

If a practicing Muslim is unaware of the contents and processing of any food they should abstain especially when Halil alternatives are available.

I do.! your point ?

Muslims should only persue facts and not promote a lifetime of guessing and assuming

OK! I was only saying personally i wouldnt consume anything if i wasnt sure. Its not like im gona starve if i dont have one. there are alternatives, and im fully aware of that.

I don't blindly trust any website,

Neither do I. what happens in the kitchen is totally different, to whats published on a website.