Yemen Cholera epidemic

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un

May Allah alleviate their suffering and quickly get the terrorist houthis defeated amen
 
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Ok, and what about the Saudi and UAE involvement? Any words of praise or condemnation (or both?)


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Saudi involvement is complicated. I answered this lately on another forum So I'll post that here:


Q What's going on in Yemen, can you explain? All I ever get is sad headshakes in response

A. Yemen is very sad however all wars are. We never hear of civilians being massacred in Syria for example do we?, or how they're dying of famine and lack of medicine.

The media just mentions the suffering of people of countries at war, which it has an interest in stopping sadly*.

Any war these days are heertbreaking due to inevitable civilian casualties etc however if the West really cared to stop this suffering, it could lend it's military support to the legitimate Yemen government and help it to quickly over-power the houthi rebels.

What is Saudi supposed to do?, stop it's Ariel bombing and risk a Iran/shia takeover of Yemen or risk a shia state in Yemen and thereby risk it's own sovereignty to the age old shia enemy of sunni Islam?

I don't think that's likely so the West should step in and assist Yemen and Saudi to defeat the terrorists quick time. That's how you stop civilian suffering in a complicated war like this.

*the media and other western politicians' and activists interest in stopping the Saudi bombing of houthis is not to save civilian suffering as they make out. Because if they really cared they would have campaigned all these years for stopping Afghan, Syria rohingya etc etc suffering too. Their interests is really 'divide and conquer'. They'd love to see Yemen split into two

What A evil hypocrite state of affairs western politics is in these days. We only feign civilian concern when we see a political or financial benefit to us

Q. How can Saudi Arabia be threatened in its sovereignity if a neighboring state has a Shiite government?

A. Iran is arming the houthis in Yemen. This is a known fact which some Google searches should verify

Basically, Iran wants to dominate all Muslim countries with shiaism (note how Iran lends it's military support to the shia governments of Iraq and Syria) as they believe that to be the true Islam and they regard Sunnis as hypocrites

So if there is a shia takeover of Yemen or a shia state established in Yemen then it would be ultimately an Iranian colony and Irans ultimate goal is to rule the 2 holy cities of Makkah and Medinah.

Remember when Saddam invaded Quwait and Americans told Saudi that Saudi is at risk of invasion too as Saddam is on their border?

Well Iran or a shia state on border of Saudi is far more risky as shias have more imperial tendencies over Saudi then Saddam
 
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Yeah I've been thinking about all this civilian suffering lately and I've decided, I don't care if the ayatollah himself invaded Saudi, stop the bombing!!!
 
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Nobodys clean in this conflict, no clear 'good guys' or 'bad guys'. Only innocents. You are right though we need an end to the bombing, negotiations that will create a lasting and durable peace.

Good brother to follow if you want a different view from the usual MSM perspective.

 
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Another update.

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Reports that the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is withdrawing have been met by surprise and relief in equal measure. By most credible accounts, the UAE’s involvement in has been greater than Saudi Arabia’s, and Abu Dhabi’s concealment of this fact, speaks volumes about the Emirates’ diplomatic and public relations prowess.

 
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Another update



How is it that Yemeni Muslim Brotherhood unlike other MB branches in the region sides with Saudi Arabia ? Was there ever attempts within the party to oppose the current war ? Is it because it sides with SA that lots of Yemenis abhor the party ?

Well Islah is a whole bunch of interest blocs under a very vaguely Islamist umbrella, ranges from Hashidi clan leaders to hardcore Salafis to ordinary Ikhwan types and sometimes a mixture of the above. They were funded by Saudis for decades and their leaders such as Ali Muhsin, Abdullah Ahmar, Abdulmajeed Zindani were major players in Yemen politics.

Saudis also boosted them in their fight against Houthis where by 2008 or so it was Islah more than the Afash regimes network who were fighting Houthis. By 2009 their relations with regime had soured to the extent that they turned against regime in 2011. In North this meant letting Houthis practically control Saadah. However Houthis sided with ousted Afash regime secretly to take Sanaa, which they did in 2014 sweeping aside largely Islah opposition in the process. Some ppl say but I can't confirm that Saudis' anti-ikhwan stage helped indirectly.

As to why Yemenis don't like them, I can only speculate; they do have a record of opportunism. Also many southern Yemenis oppose basically any northern based faction too
 
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Another update, a more critical appraisal of UAEs involvement in Yemen.

Why the UAE Cut Their Losses and Pulled Out of Yemen

The loss of the Saudis' most capable partner will be a blow. But what if they can convince Washington to pick up the slack?


The United Arab Emirates (UAE) may have finally learned what Washington will not: that armed interventions with ambiguous aims, unreliable allies, and no exit strategy are doomed to disaster.

Such interventions will rapidly deplete a nation of its blood and treasure while yielding an abundance of dangerous second- and third-order consequences. That’s why, after four years of fighting, the UAE announced that it is withdrawing a significant percentage of its forces from Yemen. It will now pursue a “peace first” strategy as opposed to a “military first” strategy.

The narrative around the UAE’s withdrawal from Yemen has been carefully managed in the American media with the help of some sympathetic Washington-based think-tanks. The shift in policy has been cast as a “mission accomplished” moment for the UAE. But the UAE is getting out of Yemen not because it is winning—or has won—but because the country’s leadership understands they cannot win.

“Little Sparta,” as former secretary of defense James Mattis referred to the UAE, possesses a military that is significantly more competent and capable than that of its main ally in Yemen, Saudi Arabia. However, the UAE and its proxies have failed to defeat Yemen’s Houthi rebels, and while they’ve made some gains against Yemen’s al-Qaeda franchise, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), these will prove fleeting. Such failures come despite the fact that the UAE has spent tens of billions of dollars in Yemen arming and training various militias and security forces.

While the primary reason for this shift is the UAE’s recognition of the futility involved, there were additional reasons for the change. The UAE’s armed forces are small and dependent on mercenaries for everything from ground troops to general officers. The country’s involvement in the war has strained its armed forces and has left it with little spare capacity to deal with a potential conflict with Iran, which provides limited—but important—aid to the Houthis.

Additionally, the war in Yemen has cost the UAE billions of dollars at a time when its own economy is slowing. The UAE has also become sensitive to international condemnation of the war in Yemen, which is currently home to the world’s worst humanitarian crisis. It has also recognized that Saudi Arabia has become more of a liability than a partner.

For much of the last four years, the UAE and Saudi Arabia have supported a host of militias, factions, and “security forces” that are often more opposed to one another than to to the Houthis they’re supposed to be fighting. Because of the inadequacies of its military, Saudi Arabia has had to rely even more heavily on proxy forces and mercenaries than the UAE. These proxies are unreliable and most are more interested in extracting money and material from their backers than fighting.

Dr. Gabriele vom Bruck, an expert on the Houthis at the University of London’s School for Oriental and African Studies, argues that “many of the proxy forces supported by the UAE and Saudi Arabia are more interested in maintaining their fiefdoms than fighting. Perhaps some of these forces might even have arranged non-aggression pacts with the Houthis as long as both respect the ‘territory’ of the other.”

However, all of these factions will happily continue to accept money and weapons from the UAE and Saudi Arabia. Both countries have already supplied billions of dollars’ worth of advanced weaponry to dubious militias and security forces, which then often sell the weapons to the Houthis and to AQAP.

It is to the credit of the UAE’s de facto ruler, Crown Prince Muhammad bin Zayad, that he and his government have recognized the ineffectiveness and danger of continued military involvement in Yemen’s interlocking wars. Rather than doubling down, as the U.S. has done so many times in its own failed wars, the UAE has decided to cut its losses and shift its policy to something more pragmatic and achievable.

Instead of further enabling Saudi Arabia’s aggressive, high-risk, and counterproductive strategy in Yemen, the UAE seems to be recognizing the merits of the subtle, nuanced, and largely de-escalatory policies of its neighbors Oman and Qatar. While Qatar was initially a member of the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen, when it became a target of Saudi Arabia’s and the UAE’s aggressive foreign policies, it withdrew its support and has since supported Omani-led efforts to end the war.

Without the military involvement of outside powers, it is probable that Yemen’s warring factions will agree on an uneasy and patchwork peace that will in time become more comprehensive and enduring. Yemen’s factions and political parties have a long history of embracing compromise and de-escalation. What was then North Yemen’s civil war, fought between 1962 and 1970, only ended when Egypt and Saudi Arabia (the latter ironically funded and armed the grandfathers of many of the Houthis) ended their involvement in Yemen.

The UAE’s change of heart may mark the beginning of the end of the wars in Yemen. This is not to say that Yemen will be peaceful or unified in the near future. However, as the most competent and capable member of the Saudi-led coalition, the UAE’s withdrawal, even if only partial, will force Saudi Arabia to re-evaluate its own failed strategy. That is, unless Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler, Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman, can convince the Trump administration to scale up Washington’s role in the war to make up for the UAE’s absence. Given America’s persistent embrace of a foreign policy predicated on forever war, this remains a dangerous possibility.

https://www.theamericanconservative...uae-cut-their-losses-and-pulled-out-of-yemen/
 
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Another update

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Saudi Arabia's War On Yemen has failed miserably. With UAE withdrawal and US Congressional scrutiny it's only going to get more disastrous. Getting out is the best solution...

 
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Another update

Yemen's Houthi rebels claim drone attack on 'important target' in Saudi capital Riyadh

Yemen's Houthi's on Monday claimed they struck an "important" military target in the Saudi capital Riyadh, after a series of attacks claimed by the rebels over the weekend.

The Iran-backed rebels said that they had attacked an "important target" in Riyadh with an armed drone, Reuters reported, citing a military spokesman.

The Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen dismissed the report, with spokesman Colonel Turki al-Malki saying the Houthi claims were "fake and deceptive".

There were no immediate comments from other authorities in Saudi Arabia.

The incident comes a day after Saudi Arabia intercepted six missiles fired by the Yemeni rebels at the southern city of Jizan on Sunday.
The missiles fired targeted civilians in Jizan, the Saudi-led coalition said in a statement released by the official Saudi Press Agency.

No damage or casualties were reported.

Earlier on Sunday, the coalition said they shot down a Houthi drone fired towards the southern city of Khamis Mushait, the site of a major military base.

The Houthi rebels have stepped up cross-border missile and drone attacks in recent months, saying they are in retaliation for the Saudi-led air war in Yemen.

Saudi Arabia has repeatedly accused Iran of supplying sophisticated weapons to the Houthis, a charge Tehran denies.

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/n...hi-rebels-claim-drone-attack-on-saudi-capital

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A major escalation.

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President Trump has declared the United States is “locked and loaded” and ready to respond over the drone strikes on two major oil facilities in Saudi Arabia, as US officials blamed Iran for the attack, revealing satellite images they claimed contained evidence to support it. Iran has continued to deny any involvement The price of oil has soared by 10 per cent since the strikes, which struck at the heart of Saudi's oil infrastructure.


I agree with this, (minus the usual prejudice)





More generally.



 
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More comment on the recent strikes.

Houthis change rules of engagement with devastating attack on Saudi Arabia

Veteran Arab journalist Abdel Bari Atwan says Yemen’s Houthi movement has completely changed the equation in its war with Saudi Arabia by taking the fight into Saudi territory in such devastating fashion.

The huge fires started by Saturday’s drone attacks on the Abqaiq and Khurais oil production and processing facilities in eastern Saudi Arabia may have been brought under control. But big questions remain unanswered about where the ten pilotless aircraft came from and how they managed to reach their targets apparently undetected and hit them with such devastating accuracy.

These were no ordinary targets. They were among the most strategically important – and one would have assumed most closely protected — locations in the country. The two oilfields and their related plants have a capacity of more than seven million barrels of crude oil per day and process some 70% of Saudi Aramco’s petroleum output.

Saturday’s attack, which at a stroke cut the country’s oil production by more than half, was the third on Aramco facilities this year. In May seven drones targeted two pumping stations on the main east-west oil pipeline and in August the massive Shayba oilfield was attacked.

In claiming responsibility for the latest (and by far most serious) drone raid, Yemen’s Houthi Ansarullah movement offered possible partial answers to the above questions.

Houthi spokesman Yahya Sarie’ said the operation was carried out after a “careful process of intelligence surveillance” of the sites. He did not elaborate about how and by whom this surveillance was carried out, nor did he comment on this apparent breakthrough in the Houthis’ intelligence capabilities.

Neither did he explain how, if the drones were launched from Yemeni territory, they managed to make the 1,000 km-plus journey without refuelling or being detected.

He did, however, make a point of praising “honourable and freedom-loving people” inside Saudi Arabia for their contribution to the operation. This sounded like a reference to the participation of members of Saudi Arabia’s persecuted Shia minority, who are concentrated in the Eastern Province in the attack, or at least in the intelligence/surveillance process that preceded it.

The drones seem unlikely to have been launched from within Saudi Arabia itself. It would have been very difficult to smuggle such large devices into the Kingdom or assemble them there. They were probably fired from a neighbouring country: Iraq is increasingly being identified as the most likely source (the drones that struck the east-west pipeline were also widely reported to have come from there).

There has also been speculation they may have been clandestinely launched from Bahrain, or from a ship sailing off the Saudi Gulf coast.

Resistance Axis

But the precise source of the missiles is immaterial. Since the start of the Saudi-led war on Yemen, the Houthis have become increasingly closely aligned with the regional “Resistance Axis” comprising Iran and Syria and their allies in Iraq, Lebanon and other Arab countries. They no longer attempt to conceal this: their envoys now visit Tehran openly and their leaders express pride about their relationship with the Islamic Republic.

Sarie’, meanwhile, warned that Ansarullah’s list of targets inside Saudi Arabia is “growing by the day,” meaning that more such attacks can be expected until Riyadh ends its war and lifts its blockade of Yemen.

This warning should be seen in the context of two other highly significant warnings that were issued in recent days: the declaration by Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Lebanon’s Hezbollah, that his movement has new options available for countering U.S. attempts to cripple it and its allies; and the reaffirmation by Iranian leader Ali Khamenei’s advisor Ali Akbar Velayati that if his country is prevented from exporting oil through the Persian Gulf, no other country will be allowed to do so either.

The Houthis have changed the rules of engagement. The message they delivered with the latest attacks is, in their own words, that they will continue striking targets deep inside Saudi Arabia until the country’s leadership realises that “killing more Yemenis will not force them to their knees.”

Saudi fire-fighters may have put out the flames in Abqaiq and Khurais. But the dense smoke from the fires continues to shroud the region, and to conceal, at least for now, many questions about the future of the struggle raging in the Middle East, not just in Yemen but throughout the region.

In the meantime, a question is worth asking: Who is going to buy a stake in Saudi Aramco now? The Saudi government is desperate to offer shares in the giant corporation for sale. But even if they ever go on the market, how much will they fetch? Is it as coincidence that the attacks were launched just as Riyadh was stepping up efforts to proceed with a share offering?

Those unsophisticated mountain-dwelling Yemenis are clearly not as stupid as their enemies think.

https://5pillarsuk.com/2019/09/17/h...ment-with-devastating-attack-on-saudi-arabia/
 
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Another update.



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Yemen's Houthi rebels on Sunday broadcast footage they said was of a major attack into Saudi Arabia that killed or wounded 500 soldiers with thousands of others surrendering.

Yahya Saree, a Houthi military spokesman, described an ambush on the Saudi forces that then developed into an "all-out" cross-border offensive that trapped the troops inside Saudi Arabia.

"More than 200 were killed in dozens of [missile and drone] strikes while trying to escape or surrender," Saree said.

The fighting took place in the southern region of Najran with video images aired showing armoured vehicles hit by blasts and surrendering soldiers.



 
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Another update.

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Yemen is an important front in the battle against white supremacy as well. US foreign policy is just as, if not much more racist than policing. We should pay more attention.

 

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