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As-Salaamu'alikum

This is gonna sound stupid..but..you know in the first post of this thread..the Bro was asking about Markaz al-Madina...is that just another name for Darul-Hadeeth in Dammaaj? Or that's something else?

JazakAllaahu Khayran... =]
 
Wa alaykum as salaam wa rahmatullaah,

It ain't a dumb question akhee.

Markaz Medinah is an Institute/University in San'aa (the capital of Yemen) It's a complete different thing from Daaarul Hadith in Dammaaj.
It's run by one of Sheikh Yahya's wive's sons.

Wa Iyyaak.
 
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Someone asked me these questions:

Do u know of any site for dammaj?

How long does it take students (who work hard) to learn arabic in dammaj and apart from madinah books what other books do they do?


Can the dammaajiyyaat (sp?) help me out here?
 
walaykum assalaam wa Rahmatullaah,

I'll skip the 1st Q till i'm sure sis.

As for the second Q....i honestly think that it all depends on the individual, it took us around 2 n a half years...but during this time we were also revisin the grammer books before startin another one...it also depends on the availability of teachers. Now maashaa'Allaah teachers are abundant, it shouldn't really be an issue inshaa'Allaah.

We were also doin other subjects besides nahw though...for those who focus on just the language n grammer n that, it should take like 2 years bi idhni Allaah perhaps less dependin on their level of commitment.

wassalaamu alaykum
 
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I was looking for that post where Princess said what you have to do to avoid being caught by the raafidhah and officials.:exhausted Something about saying you're going to stay with someone and also taking a back route behind the mountains. I can't seem to find it any more.

Can someone give me a detailed explanations of the steps you have to take in order to make it to dammaaj. And is it true that you can only get a visa for one year?
 
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I was looking for that post where Princess said what you have to do to avoid being caught by the raafidhah and officials.:exhausted Something about saying you're going to stay with someone and also taking a back route behind the mountains. I can't seem to find it any more.

This one? ....

:sl:

If someone's setting out firstly they've got to get past the airport which is real tricky because the people who run it are either Jews or shiah who do not like Ahlus-sunnah!
So when they see you (dressed in the way of the sunnah) they'd be all like: Lookit this Mutawwa' (religious/practisin man) where are you going? Muqbil's Camp!! *sn-igger sn-igger* :rollseyes

You've got to bluff your way through and tell them you're just here for a few weeks or so visiting the country as a tourist. (That's what we said).

If they do suspect that you're headed there, they'd send you back on the next flight home. Which has happened quite a number of times with single people and even families all wanting to head out there.

It also might be a good idea if you know someone there, so you could say you're visiting so & so, and give them their details.

If you get past step 1, then it's fairly easy after that. You'd go to Jaami'al Khair, A Masjid in the Sanaa' and you'd ask them for a personal driver to take you to Dammaaj(When ever you're ready to head out).
You'd hire out your own pick up truck which is roughly around $50.00 for that 6 hour ride journey. It's more expensive than the normal coaches that head out to Dammaaj because with foreigners we'd have to use the back door (the mountainious route) rather than the front door where you go through the check points.

You don't really need any documents, Just a visa for when you reach the airport.



Al Muwahhidah:
And is it true that you can only get a visa for one year?

I'm not sure about that, but when we were there we used to renew ours every year.
 
Assalaamu alaykum,

you will find that in most arab countries, they operate on the iqaamah system, by which they grant you stay for a one-year period, and you must renew it every year. an iqaamah will allow you to work or study and find accomodation.

if you are planning on staying in dammaj, you shouldn't really bother getting one, a few months' visitor's visa is enough, since even if you do pay the steep prices to some dodgy agent to get a visa, once you get to dammaj, you are an illegal, no matter how much you paid, and how official your iqaamah is. getting a visitor's visa is easier for families and women (although I highly highly discourage sisters from travelling to yemen on their own). visitor visa prices depend on the whim of the official whom you are interview by the airport. depends on how skint he happens to be at the time. ;). My father and I paid $150 US each. some indians and indonesians come to yemen on an umrah visa, saying they are in transit, giving them a gateway to enter yemen, although the umrah visa only lasts three days.

once you decide to leave the country, you will be expected to pay a fine, which, even after reductions, can be quite hefty, so be prepared for it. although, after my calculations, i paid less in fees then i would have for an iqaamah.
 
Assalaamu alaykum,

if you are planning on staying in dammaj, you shouldn't really bother getting one, a few months' visitor's visa is enough, since even if you do pay the steep prices to some dodgy agent to get a visa, once you get to dammaj, you are an illegal,

Illegal? how comes sis?

It's either you pay the visa (anually, or however often you wish) or pay your qaraamaat in a huge hefty sum before you leave the country.

I'd say it's best to pay it up anually, no? Because staying illegal in a country you won't be obeying/respecting their rules and regualtions and what not?
It's like Daa'atul umaraa' right?
 
^ yh but sis...they don't allow tullaab in Dammaaj if their from the west, cos our umaraa say send em back innit
you have to say your in yemen for tourism or to learn arabic in their schools or something like that.
so ravenous asaabat...as soon as u enter Dammaaj khalaas mate....ok so as not to scare anyone, basically i mean, if ur caught outside Dammaaj and they find out your from the west expect deportation with a stamp on your passport showing that you were turfed from their country and unless you change your passport or something you can't get back in...
so anyone wanting to go dammaaj don't tell 'em you wanna go, seriosuly otherwise they'll send u back pronto.
If your Somali they don't really give you grief cos they assume your staright from Somalia, jus don't speak any other language. Even mali's have been deported cos they were bustin english infront of soldiers qaddar Allaah...

Most people pay the hefty sum at the end either way alhamdulillaah as long as u seek knowledge n benefit from ur stay, it's worth it lolz
 
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Got some more questions.

How much sum does one need in Dammaj per year for single and couple, and like not the hardest standard of living in Dammaj but not the best either, 3 meals and normal things you need?

How much books are in Dammaj?
 
A single person in Dammaaj can live on 50 dollars a month, the value of yemeni money has increased in Yemen but I still think 50's enough and this is what most single brothers live on there. This is excluding rent.

Books are not expensive in Dammaaj alhamdulillaah, you can buy saheeh Bukhari (full) for like 5,000 riyals perhaps less, that's almost a score.
 
What I mean is that even if you go through the trouble of getting all your papers and blood tests, dammaj is on so-called watchlists, so the yemeni government, in order to remain in good standing with their western backers, have to make a show of throwing out people occasionally. That way they show they are tough on extremism, you get me? If you look in their newspapers, they post annual quotas of people arrested in the fight on extremism. It's how they qualify for aid money.

Think of it as a don't ask, don't tell policy. They are smart enough to figure by now that most brothers who enter yemen with short pants and long beards and the sisters with the niqaabs are hoping to head one place, but they turn a blind eye, so long as you don't make a show of your intentions. They won't ask you if you're going, and you don't tell them where your headed, pay your hefty fees, and pass through.

As for paying legally, in a country like yemen, there is no such thing. With no sound bureaucratic system, you are paying thousands of dollars to shady middlemen, who pocket half of it, and give the other half to their contacts. While you end up with no iqaamah. If you enter legally through a mahad, they won't release you or your passport, because if they do, they lose the money you are paying them to keep you in the country, so they essentially hold your passport hostage to prevent you fro going to the D. I've heard of brothers who actually had to fight for or steal their passports from so called salafi mahads!!! I could tell you nightmare story after nightmare story about brothers bein ripped off, but I don't have the time, and it might take me a few days.

The truth is, because their system is so whacked, paying the fines at the end of your stay is actually the only valid way of making sure the money gets to the officials instead of the crooks. Because when you pay your fine, they have an actual system of calculating how much you owe, and an actual release process. To give you an example, I paid 500 USD to a guy who was supposed to give me an iqaamah, which to this day, I have no idea that he ever made. Upon leaving, I had to go the officials and pay a fine on the 9 months I was in Yemen anyway, so I ended up paying double, once to a crook for something I thought was gonna make me legal, and then second to an official for something that cleared me of being illegal!
 
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Subhaan Allaah..



ravenous said:
I've heard of brothers who actually had to fight for or steal their passports from so called salafi mahads!!! I could tell you nightmare story after nightmare story about brothers bein ripped off, but I don't have the time, and it might take me a few days.


Whenever you have the time.. please do insha Allaah.
 
Im confused, so they make you pay according to how long you've stayed there? Escuse my naivity, but I thought you could just kinda ride a camel to saudi or something, or a boat to africa.
 
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JazakAllah khayr all. I have some new questions:

What else apart from Arabic did you do in your years there?

If ur leaving Dammaj and after a few years and you have say alot of Books because 4 years of studying your going to have alot of books and books full of notes. Is it hard to travel through with a lot of weight and would you recommend a brother or a sister knowing Arabic before they go to Dammaj?

What Arabic books did you go through? Jazakallah khayr.
 
Al-Habeshi, yh that's what your meant to do, you pay the hefty sum ravenous was referrin to (gharaamah) when you're leavin, ppl do this usually cos they wanna go back, or cos it's the law of the country. If you don't pay n you re-enter Yemen they'd be like hey where's ur khurouj (exit) stamp.
Those that leave n can't afford to pay the penalty money get a stamp with no-return on it.
It's usually our brothers straight from the east that don't want all this hassle and since they didn't come in through airports get boats to Africa or hitch rides to Saudi, even though the Saudi route is a bit dangerous if your goin illegally.

If i'm wrong sis's correct me.

Al Muwahhidah we also studied aqeedah, fiqh, science of hadeeth n usoul fiqh.
Yh saheeh after 4 years you're gonna have loadsa stuff to take back with you, but we didn't travel with them. For example I took my aqeedah note book that i cherished the most n a few more note books like that n like 3 text books. As for all the other books we shipped them to the UK, or sometimes if someone's comin back to the UK they carry a few books back for u. Just recently we got the last of our books shipped to us.

As for arabic sis, we didn't know any when we went. Alhamdulillaah we had a wonderful teacher. I think you pick it up quickly cos of the environment so i don't really think it matters if you don't have it. Nowadays teachers for both brothers n sisters are so abundant!
It's recommended that you do qur'aan n arabic for 2 years before any other lessons. We didn't cos we didn't have the patience lolz but that is great advice.
If however you're gonna be here for a while before headin out, then inshaa'Allaah make use of your time n learn arabic. The more you know the quicker you can get the lingo side of stuff out the way n you can dive into all those lovely duruos!

wassalaamu alaykum
 
What I mean is that even if you go through the trouble of getting all your papers and blood tests, dammaj is on so-called watchlists, so the yemeni government, in order to remain in good standing with their western backers, have to make a show of throwing out people occasionally. That way they show they are tough on extremism, you get me? If you look in their newspapers, they post annual quotas of people arrested in the fight on extremism. It's how they qualify for aid money.

Think of it as a don't ask, don't tell policy. They are smart enough to figure by now that most brothers who enter yemen with short pants and long beards and the sisters with the niqaabs are hoping to head one place, but they turn a blind eye, so long as you don't make a show of your intentions. They won't ask you if you're going, and you don't tell them where your headed, pay your hefty fees, and pass through.

As for paying legally, in a country like yemen, there is no such thing. With no sound bureaucratic system, you are paying thousands of dollars to shady middlemen, who pocket half of it, and give the other half to their contacts. While you end up with no iqaamah. If you enter legally through a mahad, they won't release you or your passport, because if they do, they lose the money you are paying them to keep you in the country, so they essentially hold your passport hostage to prevent you fro going to the D. I've heard of brothers who actually had to fight for or steal their passports from so called salafi mahads!!! I could tell you nightmare story after nightmare story about brothers bein ripped off, but I don't have the time, and it might take me a few days.

The truth is, because their system is so whacked, paying the fines at the end of your stay is actually the only valid way of making sure the money gets to the officials instead of the crooks. Because when you pay your fine, they have an actual system of calculating how much you owe, and an actual release process. To give you an example, I paid 500 USD to a guy who was supposed to give me an iqaamah, which to this day, I have no idea that he ever made. Upon leaving, I had to go the officials and pay a fine on the 9 months I was in Yemen anyway, so I ended up paying double, once to a crook for something I thought was gonna make me legal, and then second to an official for something that cleared me of being illegal!

Iyy Na'am, I understand what you're saying sis.

Saheeh, I've heard of stuff like that happenening wallaahu musta'aan. I've heard of people getting ripped off too SubhanAllah.
As for us I dont think we experienced anything like that walhamdulillaah. It was just pure luck..

But Na'am, I agree that the system can be real whacked, Wallaahul Musta'aan.
 
Whenever you have the time.. please do insha Allaah.

that would be like me taking days to tell you what not to do, a waste of my time and yours. my suggestion is you ask questions about what you should do, and there are plenty of people available to answer those.

Im confused, so they make you pay according to how long you've stayed there? Escuse my naivity, but I thought you could just kinda ride a camel to saudi or something, or a boat to africa.

you're naivete is excused. we are in a sense, victims of the bureaucracies in which we are born. if you are arab or african, chances are you don't even have a passport or know when you are born, so you might be able to hitch a ride on a camel (cringes at stereotype...just because we are in the UK or America doesn't mean we still ride donkeys or use a horse and cart, they do have cars, you know). Although in most cases you'll still need a passport. a few nationalities have free access into yemen, most arabs can enter without any problem, and palestinians, iraqis and somalis have asylum status. Just so you know, it was originally muslims who created the concept of a passport.
 

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