Yes, Atheists do Exist.

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ibṉĀdam;1574561 said:
Isn't that as absurd as thinking that the whole system of universe runs on its own?
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You are taking this way off topic, but no, I think that is far more absurd than thinking that either the whole system of the universe runs "on its own" or that some intelligent and magical God being designed it. But you were making statements we can't disprove getting more and more absurd, so I just joined in and continued the trend. Perhaps we can get back on topic?

Do you really think atheists don't exist? Even when I tell you I am one? Do you really think I am lying about that or that I don't exist and am a computer program or whatever? When I tell you I am Canadian do you think I am faking my ISP? When I tell you I am male do you think I am probably actually female? Or is there something special about me saying I am atheist that makes you doubt that and not other things I say?
 
Pygoscelis said:
I can take it a bit further for you.

Perhaps the entire forum is a computer simulation and you are the only actual human being that posts here.

Perhaps we are all in the Matrix and none of your real life is actually real.

Perhaps you are a dolphin dreaming you are living a human life.

Perhaps you do not exist.

There are a lot of possibilities.
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Come on fella, this is getting a little too desperate. I can see your will caving, slowly... let me known when you are ready to talk ;) 'll arrange for two witnesses :D

(i'm kidding bro - well not entirely)

Scimi
 
Pygoscelis said:
Do you really think atheists don't exist? Even when I tell you I am one? Do you really think I am lying about that or that I don't exist and am a computer program or whatever? When I tell you I am Canadian do you think I am faking my ISP? When I tell you I am male do you think I am probably actually female? Or is there something special about me saying I am atheist that makes you doubt that and not other things I say?
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Do you really think God doesn't exist? Even when He tells you in His Holy Book? Do you really think He is lying about Himself or that He does not exist and there is no God who designed everything in its perfect order or whatever? When He Himself tells you that He is the One and Only God, do you think He is still faking His existence?


To answer your questions, no, I know atheists exist and their arguments are as absurd as a tree creating a boat from its own trunk.
 
ibṉĀdam;1574614 said:
Do you really think God doesn't exist? Even when He tells you in His Holy Book? Do you really think He is lying about Himself or that He does not exist and there is no God who designed everything in its perfect order or whatever? When He Himself tells you that He is the One and Only God, do you think He is still faking His existence?

To answer your questions, no, I know atheists exist and their arguments are as absurd as a tree creating a boat from its own trunk.
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I rather not speak on behalf of him but I really think members need to sit back and try to understand where atheists are coming from.

If someone came to you with a book and claiming its the word of God would you believe it immediately? How do know that the book contains God's word? Is it not possible someone might have written the book?

Atheists do have logical views. I don't agree with them, but I can see where they are coming from.
 
I agree with you partly on this bro, but I will add that if one is sincere in learning about Islam, than one must use the correct method (authenticated by scholars of Islam) in order to study it. One thing we cannot do is weigh shariah with aql. Hence, methodology is required.

This is something I've found that members here have largely failed to address when debating with non Muslims who are denying the truth of the Quran.

If I want to learn how to knit wooly jumpers, I don't go to a farm to shear sheep... I go to a person who can teach me how to knit :) see?

With sites such as answering Islam and answering Christianity (both owned by the same atheist with an agenda by the way) we have to understand that methodology is really out of the window when dealing with those who take their info from misinformation sites - it would serve us well to point out the flaws in their method and to challenge them to make the same points after utilising the correct methodology - it would be neigh enough impossible :D

Scimi
 
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GuestFellow said:
If someone came to you with a book and claiming its the word of God would you believe it immediately? How do know that the book contains God's word? Is it not possible someone might have written the book?
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That's why I said at the beginning of my first post on this thread that I have not read this whole thread before coming to my false conclusion, similar to how an atheist may not read the Qur'an with proper understanding and still claim that he does not believe that the Qur'an is from Allah. The answer is, read and reflect on the words of Allah and you will not need anyone else to tell you that it is indeed the words of Allah.
 
Scimitar said:
Come on fella, this is getting a little too desperate. I can see your will caving, slowly... let me known when you are ready to talk ;) 'll arrange for two witnesses :D

(i'm kidding bro - well not entirely)

Scimi
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Um..... Did you just ask me to marry you?
 
ibṉĀdam;1574627 said:
Do you really think God doesn't exist? Even when He tells you in His Holy Book? Do you really think He is lying about Himself or that He does not exist and there is no God who designed everything in its perfect order or whatever? When He Himself tells you that He is the One and Only God, do you think He is still faking His existence?
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He himself hasn't told me anything. You and a few other people calling themselves Muslims have. He hasn't shown up at all. I see no reason to believe that he exists or has anything to do with this Book you call Holy and want to associate with him.

ibṉĀdam;1574627 said:
The answer is, read and reflect on the words of Allah and you will not need anyone else to tell you that it is indeed the words of Allah.
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If that were true then anybody who read the Quran would be a Muslim. You will quibble and say they have to have a "proper understanding" and "truly reflect" and that anybody who didn't convert didn't do that... but... ya... ok then, infinitely flexible goalposts. Some Christians have told me the exact same thing about their Bible and their Jesus. They've probably said it to you too. Did it convince you? Me neither.

That is getting us off topic though.
 
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ibnAdam said:
Do you really think God doesn't exist? Even when He tells you in His Holy Book? Do you really think He is lying about Himself
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Scimitar said:
Sites such as answering Islam and answering Christianity (both owned by the same atheist with an agenda by the way)
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GuestFellow said:
Atheists do have logical views
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I don’t know which of these three arguments I find the most questionable. The first is begging the question, the second is a conspiracy theory with no evidence offered to back it up, and the third is, if not patently absurd, then at least outside of my own experience.
 
IAmZamzam said:
I don’t know which of these three arguments I find the most questionable. The first is begging the question, the second is a conspiracy theory with no evidence offered to back it up, and the third is, if not patently absurd, then at least outside of my own experience.
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By logical I just mean it makes sense to a certain extent? You cannot say that "atheists are completely absurd and stupid" because I don't agree with them?

People disagreements and disagreements are not necessarily absurd.
 
IAmZamzam said:
I don’t know which of these three arguments I find the most questionable. The first is begging the question, the second is a conspiracy theory with no evidence offered to back it up, and the third is, if not patently absurd, then at least outside of my own experience.
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regardng the theory, you can check it yourself, if you have time :) we exposed the sites on vigilant citizen before it got shut down. You may be able to find a cached version on google...

for the record, conspiracy theories are for suckers... facts however? Do the research, don't dismiss things so easily bro. Anyone can have an opinion. But to back it with substantiated evidence lends it more credence :)

Scimi
 
You cannot say that "atheists are completely absurd and stupid" because I don't agree with them?
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Did I ever say that?

Brother Scimitar: all I did was ask for the evidence. A direct link would help.
 
IAmZamzam said:
Did I ever say that?

Brother Scimitar: all I did was ask for the evidence. A direct link would help.
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Sorry bro, just did a search and even google cache is not showing it for some reason. The thread was a hit though, on vigilantcitizen.com forums - which are no longer there anymore. Shame really. That thread alone forced the trolls to revise their MO :D some left, never to return.

Scimi
 
Here's the real question:

What does it really matter whether or not atheists exist?
 

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