Yes, Atheists do Exist.

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Scimitar said:
I don't think I've tried to convert you though...just marry you NAAAAAT
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Would Pygo not have to convert before he could marry you? :shade:

A bit sad to think about Snakelegs. She became a good friend ... imsad
 
Pygoscelis said:
Zamzam is correct that you are probably never going to convert me to Islam. And I have no intent, interest, or expectation of converting anybody away from Islam. That isn't why I am here. I would prefer you guys saw my presence on this forum not so much as a chance to convert somebody, which will likely only end in frustration, but as a chance to discuss and interchange ideas from our differing perspectives. That's why I came here.

I have learned a lot about Islam since I came to this forum with SnakeLegs (I miss SnakeLegs) so long ago, and I have made some good friends along the way. Many of you here are my go to people when I experience something or see a news story that somehow involves Islam and I want the opinions and views of actual muslims, which are not that common or outspoken where I live.

PS - I haven't watched the video you posted yet, as I am out and only have my phone to read all this on.
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you know there was an atheist on this forum i learned a huge amount from regarding different views and values. heitou or something?

the way i see it Allaah created evryone so its important to understand each other so as to co-exist.

i will consider a "go-to" as well
 
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Scimi I don't mean to be rudebut you have to stop coming on to him like that. Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam it's not right to joke about it and if you were that serious you should've sent him a private message but this is not suitable to do in public views. I'm not trying to be rude but I thought this needs to be addressed.
 
Berries'forest said:
Scimi I don't mean to be rudebut you have to stop coming on to him like that. Homosexuality is forbidden in Islam it's not right to joke about it and if you were that serious you should've sent him a private message but this is not suitable to do in public views. I'm not trying to be rude but I thought this needs to be addressed.
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I'm afraid you never looked at the previous pages and may have jumped on my back...

I mentioned that I would have two witnesses for him when he's ready - my intent to him was regarding taking shahadah, he knew that but twisted it to "you wanna marry me?" :D

So, I'm playing this game. No homo. I'm engaged.

You should all know that.

Scimi
 
I did read and when he asked you 'Did you just ask me to marry you?' I wanted to respond no he actually means you becoming a muslim but then it turned into something else and I was confused. I'm sorry if I was harsh. Hopefully no harm done. Congrats on your engagment by the way.
 
Jazak-Allahu kHairan for your congrats, no harm done :) you had a genuine concern, i can see that. :)

Scimi
 
glo said:
Since none of us KNOW with absolute certainty whether God does exist or not, are we not all agnostic in some way?
If as an atheist you say you don't believe that God exists, but you have no absolute proof of it - does that not mean you have to call yourself an agnostic?
In the same way, of course, believers do not have absolute proof about God's existence ... so perhaps we all ALL agnostics?
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Sister I am surprised you would say something like this. How are we all agnostics for the mere reason of not having 'enough' evidence to convince atheists in particular that God does infact exist. An agnostic is one who doesn't know whether God exists or not but is open to believing in Him an atheist on the other hand simply doesn't bother wether He does or does not exist. It was never about knowing it is about believing and there are some many things you don't know but still exist does that mean because we can't materialisticly prove it exists that we are not sure of it's existance. What makes an agnostic an agnostic is that he/she does not have faith as their priority because they don't know. We are not all agnostic because we can't merely prove God's existance to atheists in specific and not 'knowing' if God exists implies that we doubt His existance which means we don't completely believe in Him. I know I may have sounded rude and harsh when I joined your other thread but I just wanted to openly express with you my opinions afterall you did join this thread to learn the muslim perspective in things like Pygoscelis did.
 
Definition of Agnostic:

-One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
- One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
-One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

The difference between an atheist and an agnostic is that an atheist does not believe in God/god at all and doesn't not believe that god/God can possibly exist. An agnostic isn't sure about the existance of God/god, but is open to the possibility that god/God exists. An atheist firmly declares that there is no God. The agnostic says there night or night not be a God one can never be sure enough to figure that out. The both tend to be materialist in the philosphical sense the word hold especially when it comes to 'proving God's existance' to both of them. To say that a believer is an agnostic of somehow is pure contradiction but it would be more appropriate to say that an atheist is an agnostic in philsophical terms as well. An agnostic is also popularly defined as a person's spiritual 'blindness'. It doesn't change the fact that in order to 'convince' one of them to believ one has to provide only raw materialistic evidence and noneother. Fortunately though one is less stubborn than the other and might actaully believe the other one wouldn't bother believing anyway even if you provided an eternal's wieght of evidence and proof. We can't be believers and agnostics at the same time, you're either one or the other no in between.
 
Berries'forest said:
We are not all agnostic because we can't merely prove God's existance to atheists in specific and not 'knowing' if God exists implies that we doubt His existance which means we don't completely believe in Him.
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I know Berries'forest, I slightly twisted the definition of agnostic.
I don't doubt in God's existance, but I am aware that I cannot bring scientific proof for his existance which my atheist friends might find convincing.

My point was that there is much we do not know about God (including being unable to prove his existance in scientific terms.)
I am painfully aware that there is much I do not know or understand about God - and will not fully understand until the Last Day when I meet him face to face. That's not a problem to me. I am quite comfortable with not fully knowing God. In fact it is the people who claim they know EVERYTHING about God, who sometimes trouble me (I am not talking about anybody here in this forum. BTW) :)

In other words, I am a Christian who has a lot of questions. Does that sound alright to you?
 
glo said:
I know Berries'forest, I slightly twisted the definition of agnostic.
I don't doubt in God's existance, but I am aware that I cannot bring scientific proof for his existance which my atheist friends might find convincing.
My point was that there is much we do not know about God (including being unable to prove his existance in scientific terms.)
I am painfully aware that there is much I do not know or understand about God - and will not fully understand until the Last Day when I meet him face to face. That's not a problem to me. I am quite comfortable with not fully knowing God. In fact it is the people who claim they know EVERYTHING about God, who sometimes trouble me (I am not talking about anybody here in this forum. BTW)
In other words, I am a Christian who has a lot of questions. Does that sound alright to you?
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Yup, no harm done :). I don't like to pretned I knwo everything about God either and thank you for clarifying your point.
 
Okay, really, what is all this talk of "scientific proof of God's existence"? Are we speaking of a nonphysical entity and therefore something on a different wavelength from the empirical or aren't we? Besides, even if it weren't a non-sequitur it wouldn't matter anyway. God would just end up in the same boat as all the scientific proof of psi: a few poor rationalizations here, a bit of mass ignorance from the general public there, a little bit of stodgy refusal to acknowledge the new evidence by textbooks and scientific journals there (none of these three things are unconnected), and voila! Even if scientific proof were inherently possible to think it would have any overall effects on a scientific community that has not been the least bit swayed by the ganzfeld experiments and what not would be pushing it.

It never ceases to amaze me that most of the people who smack their foreheads upon hearing, "There are no transitional fossils," are the very same people who will turn right around thirty seconds later and say, "There is no convincing evidence for psi."
 
Exactly, if GOD was able to be proven scientifically, then that would imply that HE abides in this space time continuum, and that would make HIM a part of HIS own creation, which is an wholly illogical red herring fallacy of a proof the atheists ask for. Stupid science... and these troll atheists always come back with "you don't understand scientific theory" - hypocrites :D I understand alright - you don't understand logic. Foooooools :D

Not you bro Pygo, you're one of the better ones, like my atheist friends who I grew up with IRLe :)

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
Exactly, if GOD was able to be proven scientifically, then that would imply that HE abides in this space time continuum, and that would make HIM a part of HIS own creation, which is an wholly illogical red herring fallacy of a proof the atheists ask for.
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If you agree that we have no evidence for God, and define God so there can be no evidence of God, then do you understand why atheists don't hold any belief that this God exists? We need more than just faith.

Also, these claims of psi ZamZam is making, is that belief from Islam or is that his own thing? I mean beyond God hearing prayers. Do the rest of you believe us mere humans can talk to each other using only our minds? How about dowsing, telekinesis, and alien abductions? This is off topic here, but he keeps bringing it up, and if enough of you believe in this stuff it may be an interesting thread of its own.
 
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