Yes, I'm a Conspiracy Theorist!

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I'm pleased you touched on the "secular" deception Greenhill,

Today, those of us who live in the west are obligated to "vote" in Secular countries so we can be ruled by "secular laws" and we're made to believe this is an Islamic practice :D

While the forum voted during the BREXIT circus, I stayed on the side lines with my popcorn. I was safe. While the others got taken for a backwards ride - in the name of secularism :D

You think you have choice when you vote? Eh Europeans and Amriki's? The only choice you have is a) you vote or b) you don't vote... and when you vote, you don't actually have a choice - but the illusion of choice.

Name me one party that fufilled its manifesto - coz I aint found one.

And people have short term amnesia... 1million Londoners marched to Blairs doorstep - in a city with only 7 million people - a million marching is bloody substantial - and they marched so Blair would U-turn his decision to go into Iraq under the pretense of WMD's... did it work? did it fonk.

Voting in secular society is a joke and that joke, is on the voters themselves.

Scimi
 
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I find conspiracy theories fascinating, not in the least because in many cases they could be the truth, and even if they're not, they're still so interesting, lol.

This world isn't black and white, we certainly aren't going to see all the workings and details behind something all the time and I pretty much doubt the authorities or those behind it are going to reveal the whole truth either. I think we blindly believe in the institutions around us simply because we are so used to them being there.

Most of the time we're brought up to believe we're thinking rationally and using our own opinions when in reality, without realising, your opinions and reasoning are being shaped by others. We live in a very small world in a very global place. It's getting increasingly hard to be able to think on your own accord. And no, I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist but if anyone wants to be they're welcome, I'll gladly consider what they have to say :D.

Ultimately, Allah swt knows what is in the hearts of men, what they conceal and what they reveal.
 
is this another evolution thread?

how can you reconcile the ultimate all governing power of Allah swt with conspiracy?

please write in clear paragraphs.

because I wrote you several posts before rewriting them and then finally deleting them.

I hope to one day write better. insha'allah.
 
Today, those of us who live in the west are obligated to "vote" in Secular countries so we can be ruled by "secular laws" and we're made to believe this is an Islamic practice
There are very few Western nations that "obligate" you to vote. And who's trying to make you believe that voting is Islamic. Or is this another conspiracy?
 
is this another evolution thread?

how can you reconcile the ultimate all governing power of Allah swt with conspiracy?

please write in clear paragraphs.

because I wrote you several posts before rewriting them and then finally deleting them.

I hope to one day write better. insha'allah.

this is not an evolution thread.

this is a sentence separated from a paragraph.

you started a sentence with "because" while asking me to write clearly and plain paragraphs - which is what I am doing but I find your grammar nazi-ness is kinda contradictory.

in sha Allah the hint helps you to write better.

Scimi
 
There are very few Western nations that "obligate" you to vote. And who's trying to make you believe that voting is Islamic. Or is this another conspiracy?

Jabeady, if you want to open a can of worms regarding ballot box scandals and voting booths being provided "pencils" then sure - be my guest...

....Scimi
 
Conspiracy -

Conspiracy (civil), an agreement between people to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights or to gain an unfair advantage

Conspiracy (criminal), an agreement between people to break the law in the future, in some cases having committed an act to further that agreement

Conspiracy (political), an agreement between people with the goal of gaining political power or meeting a political objective

Hub-and-spoke conspiracy, a conspiracy in which one or more principal conspirators (the "hub") enter into several similar agreements with others (the "spokes") who know concerted action is contemplated, usually where the success of the concerted action depends on the participation of the other spokes

Theory - Theory*is a*contemplative*and*rationaltype of*abstract*or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking. Depending on the context, the results might for example include generalized explanations of how*nature*works. The word has its roots in*ancient Greek, but in modern use it has taken on several different related meanings.A theory can be*normative*(or prescriptive),[1][page*needed]*meaning a postulation about what ought to be. It provides "goals, norms, and standards". A theory can be a*body of knowledge, which may or may not be associated with particular explanatory models. To theorize is to develop this body of knowledge.[2]:46As already in Aristotle's definitions, theory is very often contrasted to "practice" (from Greek*praxis, πρᾶξις) a Greek term for "doing", which is opposed to theory because pure theory involves no doing apart from itself. A classical example of the distinction between "theoretical" and "practical" uses the discipline of medicine:*medical theory*involves trying to understand the*causes*and nature of health and sickness, while the practical side of medicine is trying to make people healthy. These two things are related but can be independent, because it is possible to research health and sickness without curing specific patients, and it is possible to cure a patient without knowing how the cure worked.[3]In modern*science, the term "theory" refers to*scientific theories, a well-confirmed type of explanation of*nature, made in a way*consistent*with*scientific method, and fulfilling the*criteriarequired by*modern science. Such theories are described in such a way that any scientist in the field is in a position to understand and either provide*empirical*support ("verify") or empirically contradict ("falsify") it. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge,[4]*in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which is better characterized by the word 'hypothesis').[5]*Scientific theories are distinguished from*hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable*conjectures, and*scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.


Operation northwoods:


Operation Northwoods*was a proposed*false flag*operation against the Cuban government, that originated within the*Department of Defense*(DoD) and the*Joint Chiefs of Staff*(JCS) of the*United States government*in 1962. The proposals called for the*Central Intelligence Agency*(CIA) or other*U.S. government*operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The proposals were rejected by the*Kennedy administration.

At the time of the proposal, communists led by*Fidel Castro*had recently taken power in Cuba. The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the US Government.

*To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and*bombingsfollowed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various*US military*and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman*Lyman Lemnitzer*and sent to the*Secretary of Defense. Although part of the US government's anti-communist*Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President*John F. Kennedy. According to currently released documentation, none of the operations became active under the auspices of the Operation Northwoods proposals.






1.*Allah has indeed heard (and accepted) the statement of the woman who pleads with thee concerning her husband and carries her complaint (in prayer) to Allah. and Allah (always) hears the arguments between both sides among you: for Allah hears and sees (all things).
2.*If any men among you divorce their wives by Zihar (calling them mothers), they cannot be their mothers: None can be their mothers except those who gave them birth. And in fact they use words (both) iniquitous and false: but truly Allah is one that blots out (sins), and forgives (again and again).
3.*But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered,- (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.
4.*And if any has not (the wherewithal), he should fast for two months consecutively before they touch each other. But if any is unable to do so, he should feed sixty indigent ones, this, that ye may show your faith in Allah and His Messenger. Those are limits (set by) Allah. For those who reject (Him), there is a grievous Penalty.
5.*Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be humbled to dust, as were those before them: for We have already sent down Clear Signs. And the Unbelievers (will have) a humiliating Penalty,
6.*On the Day that Allah will raise them all up (again) and show them the Truth (and meaning) of their conduct. Allah has reckoned its (value), though they may have forgotten it, for Allah is Witness to all things.

7.*Seest thou not that Allah doth know (all) that is in the heavens and on earth? There is not a conspiracy between three, but He makes the fourth among them, - Nor between five but He makes the sixth,- nor between fewer nor more, but He is in their midst, wheresoever they be: In the end will He tell them the truth of their conduct, on the Day of Judgment. For Allah has full knowledge of all things.

8.*Turnest thou not thy sight towards those who were forbidden to engage in conspiracy yet revert to that which they were forbidden (to do)? And they hold conspiracies among themselves for iniquity and hostility, and disobedience to the Messenger. And when they come to thee, they salute thee, not as Allah salutes thee, (but in crooked ways): And they say to themselves, "Why does not Allah punish us for our words?" Enough for them is Hell: In it will they burn, and evil is that destination!


9.*O ye who believe! When ye hold conspiracy, do it not for iniquity and hostility, and disobedience to the Prophet; but do it for righteousness and self- restraint; and fear Allah, to Whom ye shall be brought back.

10.*Conspiracies are only (inspired) by the Evil One in order that he may cause grief to the Believers; but he cannot harm them in the least, except as Allah permits; and on Allah let the Believers put their trust.[/b]
11.*O ye who believe! When ye are told to make room in the assemblies, (spread out and) make room: (ample) room will Allah provide for you. And when ye are told to rise up, rise up Allah will rise up, to (suitable) ranks (and degrees), those of you who believe and who have been granted Knowledge. And Allah is well- acquainted with all ye do.
12.*O ye who believe! When ye consult the Messenger in private, spend something in charity before your private consultation. That will be best for you, and most conducive to purity (of conduct). But if ye find not (the wherewithal), Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful.
13.*Is it that ye are afraid of spending sums in charity before your private consultation (with him)? If, then, ye do not so, and Allah forgives you, then (at least) establish regular prayer; practise regular charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
14.*Turnest thou not thy attention to those who turn (in friendship) to such as have the Wrath of Allah upon them? They are neither of you nor of them, and they swear to falsehood knowingly.
15.*Allah has prepared for them a severe Penalty: evil indeed are their deeds.
16.*They have made their oaths a screen (for their misdeeds): thus they obstruct from the Path of Allah. therefore shall they have a humiliating Penalty.
17.*Of no profit whatever to them, against Allah, will be their riches nor their sons: they will be Companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for aye)!
18.*One day will Allah raise them all up (for Judgment): then will they swear to Him as they swear to you: And they think that they have something (to stand upon). Is it not definitely they that are liars!
19.*The Evil One has got the better of them: so he has made them lose the remembrance of Allah. They are the Party of the Evil One. Truly, it is the Party of the Evil One that are losers!

20.*Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated.
21.*Allah has decreed: "It is I and My messengers who must prevail": For Allah is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will.

22.*Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve success



 
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Jabeady, if you want to open a can of worms regarding ballot box scandals and voting booths being provided "pencils" then sure - be my guest...

....Scimi
What does that have to do with the question?
 
this is not an evolution thread.

this is a sentence separated from a paragraph.

you started a sentence with "because" while asking me to write clearly and plain paragraphs - which is what I am doing but I find your grammar nazi-ness is kinda contradictory.

in sha Allah the hint helps you to write better.

Scimi


..right, well..

I guess that's settled then.

:/

live in the moment.
 
I would consider myself to be a "conspiracy theorist" and was an occasional visitor to the WUP forum (whatever happened to it?). I'm also a fan of "The Arrival" series. I'm not as deep into it as bro Scimitar but, I do like to read about it and watch videos. One has to use common sense when delving into such things. 9/11 is a prime example of all the different theories out there. Obviously not all of them can be correct, but not all of them can be pushed off to the side and immediately labeled as "loony" simply because the name calling group doesn't agree with what's being said. It's amazing how low people will go to trash talk the people who question such events when they themselves hardly know anything about it. The "official story" is blindly accepted by such people yet, we're looked at like we're uneducated or something.

I also don't vote, nor have I ever voted. I was never very political either because of how fake the world of politics are. Complete "polar opposite" to my dad. Even if he hated the candidates, he'd still vote for the lesser of the two evils which never made sense to me, not that I think voting matters to begin with. Whenever colleagues ask who I'm voting for and I state I'm not voting, they see that as being "sad". Unless there's some kind of anarchy or uprising, I honestly don't think any of us really have any control over anything. My whole adult life has not been effected by politics nor do I see it as having an effect were I to get into it, so I can't see the "sad" part of it.

It's also interesting to see how some of the religious folks look down on the conspiracy theorists and become sarcastic with their comments. The same way atheists act towards the religious folks, yet, they don't seem to catch on to that. Pretty ironic..
 
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Today, those of us who live in the west are obligated to "vote" in Secular countries so we can be ruled by "secular laws" and we're made to believe this is an Islamic practice :D
If you ask me, Scimi, voting along with secularism are decidedly not Islamic in certain ways, if we're talking about the origins of ideas and practices. I do know who was behind the Enlightenment, and it wasn't Muslims.

I might even go as far to say that Muslims- taken together, globally- are at present not presently inclined to put much value in voting or in secular society. Probably a bit more value is placed in voting, but I wouldn't be surprised if both things have fairly low support overall.

With that being said, voting is something that anyone in the UK can do, and no religion or lack of religion is or ought to be a hindrance to that. Voting, and a secular society with it, is something that belongs to all of the UK and really all of the West, and that means you if you happen to reside there and are a citizen. Islam doesn't stop these things from being your thing, but that would mean your religion is unrelated to certain aspects of the nature and practice of the topics at hand.

Basically, I wouldn't be inclined to argue for any sort of Islam-positive position vis a vis these things. I have some Islam-neutral arguments to make, along with some non-Islamic observations concerning certain aspects of voting and of secular society.

With all that being said, it would be a good idea to vote. Even if you don't always vote at the top of the ticket, civic engagement at some level is worth doing.
 
It's also interesting to see how some of the religious folks look down on the conspiracy theorists and become sarcastic with their comments. The same way atheists act towards the religious folks, yet, they don't seem to catch on to that. Pretty ironic..
Excuse me? How do I act towards religious folks? Can you point to a couple of examples?
 
Jew is ethnic that associated with offspring, while Islam is religion that associated with choice. Descendant of a Jewish is Jewish too, but descendant of Muslim does not automatically become Muslim because religion not inherited through DNA.
Obama's political opponents will usually claim that Obama is a Muslim by secret choice, and ignore the fact that his father was a Muslim.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-t...muslim/#ooid=NlNGc0NDE6hPpa1osDkAwO7Q0vQH11gf

There is absolutely no way to prove or disprove that claim.

They are also very big on the artificial distinction between moderate and radical Islam, as it is politically incorrect to attack Islam in general and certainly moderate Islam, but it is politically perfectly ok to demand action against radical Islam. Since this is not a provable nor testable subdivision of the reality in Islam, every decision based on that distinction, will always be inconsistent in ways.

In fact, the problem is even worse. In the case of Obama, you cannot reasonably argue that the distinction between Christianity and Islam would be that much stable. It is quite easy to argue that Obama would be either. He could at any time in his life proclaim something else.

But then again, they have no choice than to adopt the moderate-versus-radical Islam distinction because the alternative would be for them to declare war on Islam in general; which is an outcome that every politician will avoid like the plague. This is where the extremists in Islam have been failing up till now. They have not been able to achieve their goal by getting these politicians to declare war on Islam in general.
 
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I don't think it's good for the youth as it poisons the mind to think that everything will go wrong(when in fact,everything moves by the will of Allah) and would ultimately lead to paronoia if not consulted.

It's good to know generally about the subject, but going deeper into it I would be against it. In my experience, the energy that you put into finding all these weird stuff happening all over the world is better to be put use to knowing anything about the deen especially the basics because it can and it will overwrite your mind slowly or rapidly because it's so interesting.
 
Well I think that's what they call us, but they don't say nothing when the theory turns to truth. But things are changing very rapidly now but it just not changing quick enough for me, it would be lovely to live in a world of truth nothing can no longer be hidden or lied about.
 
I'm not sure I'd identify myself as a CT but I use loads of critical thinking when I'm getting info from the mainstream media sources.

I also enjoyed the book by Robert Anton Wilson called The Illuminatus Trilogy :haha:
 
I'm not sure I'd identify myself as a CT but I use loads of critical thinking when I'm getting info from the mainstream media sources.

I also enjoyed the book by Robert Anton Wilson called The Illuminatus Trilogy :haha:

Well if you're getting your information from mainstream media, well what do I say. let's go mad, David Icke.

Well the way I see it, the mainstream media tells you what the government wants you to know, if there is something that the government really don't want you to know, you certainly won't get it from the mainstream media. I think Trump gave a bit away when he said, the church won't speak politics because their tax exemption would be taken away.
 
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Greetings,

Adnan Okhtar's story is a weird one. I bougt some of his books post 911, got the freemasonry one he published. The very same where he condemned the Freemason movement as satanic. And now, he jives to house music during commercial breaks with his plastic bombshell mistresses whilst glorifying freemasonry... he even invited masons to his show and praised them - I was cringing through the whole thing. How the mighty fall eh?

Scimi

Many years ago on this forum I pointed out how much of a charlatan Adnan Oktar was and got repeatedly shouted down in return. Glad to see that common sense has, eventually, prevailed.

I will make the point that I always make when this topic comes up (sorry if I'm boring any of you):

Never forget that some conspiracy theories have been proven. Watergate, the rising threat of Nazi Germany and of course the Holocaust all started off as conspiracy theories.

There are lots that I don't believe, though, such as 9/11 and the moon landings.

For many years I have been sceptical of the Warren Commission Report.

Some conspiracy theorists make me laugh, like David Icke, who is undeniably an intelligent man. He's just also completely bonkers. :D

Peace
 
Some conspiracy theorists make me laugh, like David Icke, who is undeniably an intelligent man. He's just also completely bonkers.

I am sorry to hear you say that about David, he and his family have sacrifice a lot trying to get the message out there for over 20 years virtually destroying his live, while the knowledge and intelligence he have could have made him much richer man today if he had chosen to go the other way.
 

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