Your God at walmart next to Bratz dolls--christians how do you feel?

[Jayda]

Greetings... I don't know what 'Isla car' is? .. I am not sure what fatima's hand is either as I don't believe any 'talisman's' hold special power... but I'll take your word that such matters do exist and considered of value by some.. I still can't reconcile a colorful hand be it a monkey's paw or 'Fatima's hand' for that matter, with 'God' Next to Bratz dolls in a large super market.. but that is just me...

hola,

i do not know where you live or if you have been to any muslim countries... but they sell these, they are quite popular. they are idols, assigning the powers of God to a little trinket sold alongside dried dates.

Again.. I don't see how 'Qibla cola' compares to "God" in an isle at your local wal-mart... This isn't just mercantilism, this is reducing "God" in this case your God to something as lowely as a dog toy... although I can see why it wouldn't bother many.. given that there is a 'God' statue in every church, and in every color to whom people kneel as if to mimic practices of the pagans.. so what if you take him from the church to be a wind up doll under the tree...

of course it is mercantilism, it's market driven and not faith driven. also, i told you i am against this so please stop saying 'you' and 'your' as if i or christianity are responsible for the decisions of a few wayward people. and we do not believe that a small plastic mass produced figurine is God.

Many of such events were actually commissioned by the church itself... Caravaggio's 'Death of the Virgin' where he used a dead W H O R E to depict the virgin Mary was commissioned by the church.. obviousely the fact that he used a dead ***** got on their nerves but frankly what do you expect when you want to reduce the holiest of figures to a mural on the wall?

well obviously catholics and muslims differ on this. we do not worship figures but rather what they represent nor do we believe that they are the people and places they are meant to depict. regardless of how it is transmitted to us when God tells us something we demonstrate our obedience to His Word. this is why Joshua knelt before the angel in Joshua 5:14 and asked him what his Lord had to say. he did not believe the angel to be his Lord, nor was he kneeling out of obedience to the angel... but rather to what the angel represented and carried.

images also give us a focal point for prayer, it is much more meaningful to actually see what 'dying for your sins' entails when it is portrayed in inescapably gruesome detail in front of your eyes... rather than to talk about it or think about it in the abstract.

The two protestants I know, find Catholicism as abhorrent from the bizarre practices to the velvet brocades to the sanctifying every other person and praying through them.. a Saint for hookers and a saint to have for good luck and a saint for travel.. hardly concentrates around God anymore.. and who could blame them if God can be found at the super market?

rejecting the practices of the apostolic Church only further highlights how divorced protestantism has become from what the apostles founded. our faith in the saints, prophets and leaders God has graceously provided for us over the centuries demonstrates our obedience to Him. it is not our place to ignore the messengers or the Word of God.

Blessings to you as well


cheers!

gracias... but might you please take the attack tone down a little bit? i feel like this is meant to be an ambush rather than a genuine question. my opinion is that these dolls are sacreligious for the reasons i explained. i'm trying to answer your questions to the best of my ability but i will not if i feel like i am being ignored and this is agenda driven.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Pygoscelis]

I recall an old joke website about Jesus action figures and other religious figures as well. I never expected it to become a reality or actually endorsed by the religious themselves.

 

[جوري]

hola,

i do not know where you live or if you have been to any muslim countries... but they sell these, they are quite popular. they are idols, assigning the powers of God to a little trinket sold alongside dried dates.

I have lived in countries predominately Muslim indeed.. such things go under 'dajal' which are considered kuffer/shirk ( a cardinal sin) by sane practicing Muslims... having your God on a Mural or a statue however is common practice in church, thus that can't be a subject for comparison.. I assure you, I don't bring these up to highlight a veritable difference between Islam and Christianity.

of course it is mercantilism, it's market driven and not faith driven. also, i told you i am against this so please stop saying 'you' and 'your' as if i or christianity are responsible for the decisions of a few wayward people. and we do not believe that a small plastic mass produced figurine is God.

You in the plural sense I mean you no offense... I notice that the figurines don't need to be plastic and in bad taste, they can be in stain glass forms and ok?

well obviously catholics and muslims differ on this. we do not worship figures but rather what they represent nor do we believe that they are the people and places they are meant to depict. regardless of how it is transmitted to us when God tells us something we demonstrate our obedience to His Word. this is why Joshua knelt before the angel in Joshua 5:14 and asked him what his Lord had to say. he did not believe the angel to be his Lord, nor was he kneeling out of obedience to the angel... but rather to what the angel represented and carried.

Again another difference, but we consider this shirk ( a cardinal sin)

images also give us a focal point for prayer, it is much more meaningful to actually see what 'dying for your sins' entails when it is portrayed in inescapably gruesome detail in front of your eyes... rather than to talk about it or think about it in the abstract.

I have to disagree with that, as it brings it down to a very low common denominator but then again I don't believe in the 'dying for sins' bit.. seems to be the anti-climax for a God so great..

rejecting the practices of the apostolic Church only further highlights how divorced protestantism has become from what the apostles founded. our faith in the saints, prophets and leaders God has graceously provided for us over the centuries demonstrates our obedience to Him. it is not our place to ignore the messengers or the Word of God.

The faith in saints doesn't reconcile well with jesus' teachings does it? from what I understand, Protestantism on some level has tried to reform the church away from velvet brocade, candles and unusual practices that involve things against the very nature of man or woman for instance celibacy.. under either circumstance, I believe both denominations to have strayed from the purpose all together.. but from a complete spectator view, I'd say Protestantism is more in concert with one God than the million saints I see in Catholicism

gracias... but might you please take the attack tone down a little bit? i feel like this is meant to be an ambush rather than a genuine question. my opinion is that these dolls are sacreligious for the reasons i explained. i'm trying to answer your questions to the best of my ability but i will not if i feel like i am being ignored and this is agenda driven.

que Dios te bendiga

My dear Jayda you are under no obligation to partake in this whatsoever... it doesn't change my mind about christianity to see a Jesus doll or a mother Theresa doll knowing what I know about art history commissioned by the church and for centuries.. I have the same reservations about a doll depicting Jesus as I would cartoon about prophet Mohammed SWS... it is outrageous.. if it doesn't outrage you (plural) there is nothing I can say or do about that.. I am pretty sure it will still be on the shelves...and you are right, I was trying to delve into a deeper issue... the issue of sacrilegious depictions of sanctities so that it really doesn't matter whether he is made into a dog toy or a mural in some church...There is something wrong with that picture and that is why many will see it as 'art' or a way for people to relate to their God, or just a really fun toy at christmas time...It is insufferable transgressions... which I guess can be now classified as free speech?..


peace!

 

[Jayda]

it would be more honest if you titled your threads to what you intended to discuss...

 

[جوري]

it would be more honest if you titled your threads to what you intended to discuss...

I thought I did? 'Your God at walmart' should have been the give away?


peace!

 

[nevesirth]

wont be suprised if they start making sex toys in the name of christianity, its all abt making money. dvds cds, toys etc, wht next?

 

[wilberhum]

wont be suprised if they start making sex toys in the name of christianity, its all abt making money. dvds cds, toys etc, wht next?

They already make "sex toys". But why do you tie them to Christinanity?

Do you think only Christians use them? :hiding::hiding::hiding:

 

[nevesirth]

lol

 

[Amadeus85]

wont be suprised if they start making sex toys in the name of christianity, its all abt making money. dvds cds, toys etc, wht next?

You shouldn't mislead christianity with some actions of people who are christians. It just like with islam right? Sounds similair.

 

[nevesirth]

church business is one of the fastest growing businesses in the world, so why wont toy makers take advantage of it? its all abt money, most churches preach maoney all the time

 

[Amadeus85]

church business is one of the fastest growing businesses in the world, so why wont toy makers take advantage of it? its all abt money, most churches preach maoney all the time

You have attended many churches i guess. .

 

[barney]

Absolutly no problem. (of Course)

Nodding head Jesus, Lego Noah, Cartoon Jebadiah, Zeus-on-a-stick.

All the above are aimed at Atheists and Agnostics, that really dont care about religion in the main anyway. Those that are bothered;

Either
0) Ignore and get on with your faith
1)Boycott the manufacturers,
2) whine in the press, or
3)burn down the Guatamalan embassy slaughtering all inside, if the toy is Guatamalan
4) Destroy everyone in the whole world ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Depending on your level of insanity.

 

[جوري]

Barney on religion

Barney on cold weather

Barney on the human condition

Barney on turkey...

Eh.. I look fwd to your next insight...


cheers!

 

[smile]

bratz dolls don't have noses!
weird

 

[Keltoi]

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, I don't know what a Bratz doll is....oh well, I will try to move on without that knowledge.

 

[snakelegs]

;D i didn't know either before this thread and then i looked it up.
you're not missing anything.

 

[root]

Interesting Purest, I thought Islamic & Christian sense of God were two of the same right? Additionally, since when did jesus become God? Has God passed away and now jesus inherits his throne or something. :giggling:

 

[Woodrow]

Interesting Purest, I thought Islamic & Christian sense of God were two of the same right? Additionally, since when did jesus become God? Has God passed away and now jesus inherits his throne or something. :giggling:

Please reread the assigned textbook for Comparative Religion 101 and answer the first practice question:

Which is "What is the primary difference between a Muslim and a Christian?"

 

[Grace Seeker]

Please reread the assigned textbook for Comparative Religion 101 and answer the first practice question:

Which is "What is the primary difference between a Muslim and a Christian?"

:::raises hand::::

"I know! I know!"

 

[جوري]

Interesting Purest,

thank you

I thought Islamic & Christian sense of God were two of the same right?

wrong..else we wouldn't be called Muslims and them christians?!

Additionally, since when did jesus become God?

sometime after around 325 CE , the Council of Nicea met and decided Jesus being God had that je ne sais quoi they needed to make christianity interesting :shade:

Has God passed away and now jesus inherits his throne or something. :giggling:

I don't know...you'll need to direct that, to the christian members on board..

cheerio