Your Opinion on Israel

[Intisar]

Zionist Extremism is not to be justified in any way. But please don't forget that there are victims on both sides. Most Jews are born in Israel instead of abroad. Some Jews originate from countries where they aren't allowed/safe today (think of Iran, Iraq, etc.) Some jews are only jews by name and are actually atheist. To make a long story short: Many 'Israeli's' are in Israel because they know nothing better than being there as in their homeland. They can't help that they are born there.

Would it be acceptable for you if Israel ceases to exist and becomes palestine, and the jewish people stay?

Excuse me, it is not their ancestral homeland. They went there, from other countries, to build a land over an already existing one. What about the Palestinians?

The fact of the matter is, it is not their ancestral homeland, they came over and destroyed people's livelihoods. It would be one thing if they lived peacefully, side by side, but it's obvious that Israel doesn't want that. For God's sake they named it ''Israel'', and to them Palestine does not exist.

 

[Ro4Unity]

Excuse me, it is not their ancestral homeland. They went there, from other countries, to build a land over an already existing one. What about the Palestinians?

The fact of the matter is, it is not their ancestral homeland, they came over and destroyed people's livelihoods. It would be one thing if they lived peacefully, side by side, but it's obvious that Israel doesn't want that. For God's sake they named it ''Israel'', and to them Palestine does not exist.

Yes but you can't "group" people by their ancestry, it is about individuals. Every one is on it's own.

 

[themuffinman]

i think the problem at hand isnt isreal. its the muslim governed countries in the world. first we need to get rid of the current muslim "leaders"....err i mean lapdogs, from the saudi monarchy right down to the seculararist pakistani government ad establish a caliphate, then and only then can we erradicate isreal..

 

[IslamicRevival]

The solution to this whole problem would be for Israel to be wiped off the map.

There should be no such thing as "Israel"

This slaughter that is taking place RIGHT NOW is just sickening and makes my blood boil.

If only someone like George Galloway was In power! This man would make sure Palestine would be free of these terrorists Israeli thugs!

The situation which is going on now is Man V Machine!!

Palestinians being the defenceless "MAN" and the Israelis being the "MACHINES" With thier state of the art weapons!

Cowards Israel! If you want a war fight without the weapons! Fight without the fighter jets! Fight MAN TO MAN and Hamas will Destroy you!

 

[The_Prince]

What should happen with the millions of jewish inhabitants if that happens according to you?

the good ole americans can help them out by assimilating them into the US, although i dont think Americans would like that, but hey, its not the Palestinians problem.

 

[The_Prince]

Why such a big issue over land?

because that land belongs to people, where they lived, made their living, and they were then kicked out, such as my grandparents, so dont talk nonsense saying whats the use of land? my father was born in a camp, and had to live with 7 siblings in a small one room house, sleeping on the floor, all because his parents were kicked out of their land and main home back in Palestine, and this is one of many millions. thanks to Allah my father worked very hard and has his own company now and can afford whatever he wishes, yet millions of others arent in this situation, and still live in the worst conditions due to their land being stolen from them.

when your land and home is stolen, and you see your familly greatly suffering then you will realize what it means and perhaps you wont make such a stupid comment again.

lastly, the prophet Muhammad himself taught that a Muslim can make JIHAD for his land that has been unjustly taken, so who the hell are you to come saying whats the use of land?

so whats the use of land? its my land, my father has never been able to see his own land, and his parents were kicked out illegally, thats the issue.

 

[Trumble]

Trumble trumble trumble, tomorow I will forcibly kick you out of your house. After that, if you so much as raise your voice, I will blow you back to the stone age. Seem fair? You and Israel do.

Your "defense" of israel turns a blind eye to the holes in its argument to exist. They have to religious basis, no ethnic basis ( most of the population emigrated to there), and you should stop hissing and spitting and realize that.

The reality you seem unwilling to face is that most of those who were kicked out of the 'house' are now dead, and that most of those now occupying it were born there. In the case of the majority of Jewish Israeli citizens it was their parents or grandparents who emigrated there, not those citizens themselves. As I said, other than the fact that the number of generations involved is different (and in many cases, not very different) exactly the same is true every other nation state.

 

[Ro4Unity]

The solution to this whole problem would be for Israel to be wiped off the map.

There should be no such thing as "Israel"

This slaughter that is taking place RIGHT NOW is just sickening and makes my blood boil.

If only someone like George Galloway was In power! This man would make sure Palestine would be free of these terrorists Israeli thugs!

The situation which is going on now is Man V Machine!!

Palestinians being the defenceless "MAN" and the Israelis being the "MACHINES" With thier state of the art weapons!

Cowards Israel! If you want a war fight without the weapons! Fight without the fighter jets! Fight MAN TO MAN and Hamas will Destroy you!

Well, please keep it peacefull will ya?

The only solution people.

What Israel does is not to be justified at all!! I agree 1000 times with that.
But killing people will never lead you to success, it never did. It never will.
Israel will not lead to victory with these bombs, neither will the palestinians succeed through violence. Think Ghandieace:

 

[themuffinman]

we are not followers of ghandi, our religion does not teach us to "suffer" peacefully. it teaches us to rise up and stop opression and use force if necessary, yes we do have peace only when we are truley free

 

[AntiKarateKid]

AntiKarateKid, I have two question for you.
1) You'd opt for an independent Palestinian state, how do you think this must be acheived?
2) Do you think the occupation of Palestine by Israel is worse than the occupation of Western-Sahara by Morocco, in which also many Saharwis have been killed and forced to flee, a huge fence/wall has been built on the border, etc.?

1. I am talking about what is moral solution. A feasible solution is an entirely different question. I am just talking about what is right and wrong.

2. Sorry I am not familiar with that situation so I dont think I can really comment. But injustice is injustice first of all. By Israel using religion to legitimize its claim, it brings the conflict to a higher level because many jews dont agree.

 

[Ro4Unity]

we are not followers of ghandi, our religion does not teach us to "suffer" peacefully. it teaches us to rise up and stop opression and use force if necessary, yes we do have peace only when we are truley free

I respect your religion, but I was just pointing out that violence has never been successful.. at last. Btw, don't forget that your religion emphasises peace towards other peaceful people, and 80% of the Israelis are peaceful.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

The reality you seem unwilling to face is that most of those who were kicked out of the 'house' are now dead, and that most of those now occupying it were born there. In the case of the majority of Jewish Israeli citizens it was their parents or grandparents who emigrated there, not those citizens themselves. As I said, other than the fact that the number of generations involved is different (and in many cases, not very different) exactly the same is true every other nation state.

IF they arent there illegally, only their parents, THen those who are born there should make a one state solution with the OTHER people who were born there or whos families were forced out so they could live there.

 

[S_87]

israel should be wiped off the map...no peace with them/ no two state solution. May Allah destroy Israel and send terror onto them and give them what they deserve.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

I respect your religion, but I was just pointing out that violence has never been successful.. at last. Btw, don't forget that your religion emphasises peace towards other peaceful people, and 80% of the Israelis are peaceful.

Being peaceful but refusing to give back land is passive aggression. Nevertheless, a peaceful solution is top priority but i fear violence is inevitable. You should see the youtube videos of the israeli children and women abusing the Palestinians and aid workers

 

[Chuck]

i will make a dua tonight for you, that Allah takes your home away from you, your familly, your loved ones, and all your livelyhood and theirs is taken away as a result, inshallah it happens so then you can feel the answer to your own silly Q.

I've already left my land and my family for my religion then Allah gave me better. Anyway, I didn't want to hurt your feelings with my question, better prayer is that Allah give you your land back, even better, Allah give you what is better, as Allah knows best.

Salam

 

[Chuck]

lastly, the prophet Muhammad himself taught that a Muslim can make JIHAD for his land that has been unjustly taken, so who the hell are you to come saying whats the use of land?

Imo, it is not as simple. First, Prophet (pbuh) migrated to a land where they could practice Islam safely, made a state, and focused on resolving social and educational issues. Not to mention, treat of hudaibiya was not the favorite decision taken by prophet (pbuh), many people were not happy with that treaty, but they Allah revealed what they think is defeat is a victory and Allah knows best.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

Make peace with Israel after they wipe out a significant proportion of the population of Gaza? Not too sure about that.

 

[Intisar]

Yes but you can't "group" people by their ancestry, it is about individuals. Every one is on it's own.

So why let them destroy people's livelihoods, you still haven't answered that question for me.

Israel does not belong to them, they are not indigenous to that land, as much as they make it seem that way. They should be expelled from there, and the land should be given back to Palestine as it was before.

That's my opinion on Israel. :smile:

 

[Trumble]

Make peace with Israel after they wipe out a significant proportion of the population of Gaza? Not too sure about that.

It has to end somewhere. If there is no peace it is inevitable than an even larger proportion of the population of Gaza, and many more elsewhere, will be 'wiped out' as well.

Israel does not belong to them, they are not indigenous to that land, as much as they make it seem that way. They should be expelled from there, and the land should be given back to Palestine as it was before.

Most of them are indigenous, they were born there. That's why it 'seems' that way.

 

[Intisar]

It has to end somewhere. If there is no peace it is inevitable than an even larger proportion of the population of Gaza, and many more elsewhere, will be 'wiped out' as well.

Maybe it could stop when the zionists decide to stop killing people in Gaza by the hundreds, perhaps? I love how you play the devil's advocate, very cheeky.

Israel broke the ceasefire, built settlements in areas that do not belong to them, and as I said a million times in this thread destroyed people's livelihoods. Pretty simple really.