Your Opinion on Israel

[Woodrow]

Or not. I'm very surprised to see such niavete from you, Woodrow. The Israelis are doing what they usually do; as much as they can before pressure from the international community (and, believe it or not, that is considerable, if not always obvious) starts to catch up with them and forces them to stop. As they haven't got beyond 'principles' yet (which as far as I'm aware Hamas haven't even agreed to) they aren't planning on stopping for a while.

Maybe it is naive and simply wishful thinking on my part. But, from I have seen recently, this has produced the largest world wide out cry against Israel since Israel was formed.

right now I think the only thing that would change that, would be an aggressive act by either Hamas or Hezbullah. Let, the events of Gaza speak for themselves and it will mean a loss of support for Israel. without world support Israel will not last.

I have no animosity against the Jewish people. I see them as our cousins, misguided but still our cousins. It is the Zionist movement I see as evil and the formation of Israel as having been a great error.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

The best law in a muslim country should be the Islamic law(Shariah). InshaAllah it will come, may Allah(SWT) bring back the khilafa as soon as possible,without that law, there will be unjustice and oppression everywhere.

 

[root]

The Arabs of Ramleh gave us an amusing incident yesterday which reflects their attitude towards us. A large batch of Turkish prisoners were being marched through the village, but they were not preceded by their british Guard. The Arabs, thinking this was the return of the Turkish army, turned out in force, yelling with delight and flying the Turkish flag.

Middle East Diary Page 7

The words Syria and Syrian are foriegn terms. Unless he had learnt English or french, the inhabitant of these parts has no words to describe all his country...... "Sham" is Arabic for the town of Damascus, An allepine always calls himself an Alepine, A beyrouti always calls himself a Beyrouti, and so down to the smallest villages, this verbal poverty indicates a political condition. There is no national feeling.

Secret despatches, pp. 77-78

(P.S The word "Sham" as described in the English Dictionary:

noun, adjective, verb, shammed, shamming.
–noun 1. something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.
2. a person who shams; shammer.
3. a cover or the like for giving a thing a different outward appearance: a pillow sham.
–adjective 4. pretended; counterfeit; feigned: sham attacks; a sham Gothic façade.
5. designed, made, or used as a sham.
–verb (used with object) 6. to produce an imitation of.
7. to assume the appearance of; pretend to have: to sham illness.
–verb (used without object) 8. to make a false show of something; pretend.

This word originates to the British & Arab history in the making of the "Shambolic Arab revolt)!!!!!!!!

The Emir Faisal I, Son of Hussien, Sherif of Mecca who initiated the Arab revolt (The Sham), briefly King of Syria (Syria nbeing given to him by the British) and later King of Iraq (Again given to him by the British) signed a treaty with Dr Chaim Weizmann in Feb 1919. In this treaty they outlined the relations between "The Arab states and Palestine" there was no mention of mutual recognition

As an Arab state was to arise as promised (by the British), it was equally promised (by the british) of a Palestine Jewish state.

Before signing the 1919 treaty Emir Faisal told Reuters agency:

"The Arabs are not jealuos of Zionist Jews and intend to give them fair play. and the Zionist jews have assured the nationalist Arabs on their intention to see that they too have fair play in their repective area."

London Times, December 12, 1918

What was the Zionist area, please someone tell me!

"The Arab State & Palestine in all their relations and undertakings shall be controlled by the most cordial goodwill and understanding and to this end Arab & Jewish duly accredited agents shall establish and maintain in the respective territories.

In the Establishment of the constitution & Administration of Palestine all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantees for carrying into effect the Bristish Governments (Balfour) decleration of 2nd November 1917. All necessary measures shall be undertaken to encourage and stimulate immigration of Jews into Palestine on a large scale and as quickly as possible to settle Jewish immigrants upon the land"

Signed as a bonding agreement to the Balfour treaty in Arabic by Emir Faisal.

 

[Q8sobieski]

Israel also belongs to the nearly 10 million Arab Christians chased out by the Muslims since the Ottoman times and now reside in North America, South America, and some in Australia. It was the Muslims from al-Hijaz who stole the land from the Aramaic-speaking Christians!

 

[Güven]

Israel also belongs to the nearly 10 million Arab Christians chased out by the Muslims since the Ottoman times and now reside in North America, South America, and some in Australia. It was the Muslims from al-Hijaz who stole the land from the Aramaic-speaking Christians!

Do you remember when the jews were banned from europe?
do you also remember who took them refuge ?

 

[Amadeus85]

Israel seems to be one of the most right wing nations in the modern world. Recently minister Cipi Livni mentioned that in future the Israeli Arabs might be somehow removed from the only jewish Israel. That is accepted by I guess at least half of israeli Jews. Similar sentence made in european country (e.g- voices about expelling non catholics from Italy) would be crushed as fascist and many of the attackers would be Jews.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Israel also belongs to the nearly 10 million Arab Christians chased out by the Muslims since the Ottoman times and now reside in North America, South America, and some in Australia. It was the Muslims from al-Hijaz who stole the land from the Aramaic-speaking Christians!

its quite clear from your posts on this forum as well as others, your hatred towards Islam and Muslims. Hence, why you think your comment and others similar to it should be taken into account is quite beyond me!!

 

[Suomipoika]

What can I say, Israel has the right to defend itself, and eventho there was supposed to be ceasefire there wasnt even a single month last year when Israel wasnt bombed from Gaza. I feel that if Palestinians/Hamas had just stopped all the attacks towards Israel none of this would be happening.

I find that all the pure hate, propaganda, hypocricy towards Israel, in which so many expect they should during ceasefire accept semi-constant attacks against their civilian population has made me rather supportive towards Israel. They arent perfect, but they clearly are the wronged party, well, in my opinion.

No one marched for peace in October when Israel was attacked. No one protested in September when Israel was attacked. No one was particularly bothered when in August... ah, you get the point.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

What can I say, Israel has the right to defend itself, and eventho there was supposed to be ceasefire there wasnt even a single month last year when Israel wasnt bombed from Gaza. I feel that if Palestinians/Hamas had just stopped all the attacks towards Israel none of this would be happening.

I find that all the pure hate, propaganda, hypocricy towards Israel, in which so many expect they should during ceasefire accept semi-constant attacks against their civilian population has made me rather supportive towards Israel. They arent perfect, but they clearly are the wronged party, well, in my opinion.

No one marched for peace in October when Israel was attacked. No one protested in September when Israel was attacked. No one was particularly bothered when in August... ah, you get the point.

Yeah but Palestine has the right to defend it's self from the constant oppression faced by Israel. Israel controls their lives, and makes their lives miserable. Do they not have the right to defend this?

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

What can I say, Israel has the right to defend itself, and eventho there was supposed to be ceasefire there wasnt even a single month last year when Israel wasnt bombed from Gaza. I feel that if Palestinians/Hamas had just stopped all the attacks towards Israel none of this would be happening.

I find that all the pure hate, propaganda, hypocricy towards Israel, in which so many expect they should during ceasefire accept semi-constant attacks against their civilian population has made me rather supportive towards Israel. They arent perfect, but they clearly are the wronged party, well, in my opinion.

No one marched for peace in October when Israel was attacked. No one protested in September when Israel was attacked. No one was particularly bothered when in August... ah, you get the point.

for almost you mentioned, everything simply put: because they shouldn't be there :$

 

[Civilsed]

NORWEGIAN TRAIN DRIVERS STRIKE FOR GAZA
>
> The Norwegian Locomotive Drivers Union has shown what trade
> unions in Britain should be doing now: taking action in
> support of the Palestinians in Gaza.
>
> On Thursday 8 January all trains in the whole of Norway, and
> all trams and subways in Oslo, stood still for two minutes in
> protest against the Israeli invasion. The union issued the
> following information for passengers:
>
> Because of the situation in the Gaza Strip, the Locomotive
> Drivers Union in Norway has decided to demonstrate our
> solidarity with the Palestinian people. This will be organised
> by adding two more minutes of stoppage at the station. The
> same action applies to all passenger trains in Norway
> simultaneously. We demand the immediate withdrawal of all
> Israeli troops from the Palestinian territory. Thank you for
> your understanding.

Interesting

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Israel seems to be one of the most right wing nations in the modern world. Recently minister Cipi Livni mentioned that in future the Israeli Arabs might be somehow removed from the only jewish Israel. That is accepted by I guess at least half of israeli Jews. Similar sentence made in european country (e.g- voices about expelling non catholics from Italy) would be crushed as fascist and many of the attackers would be Jews.

They're right wing as far as the Israeli Palestinian conflict is concerned, otherwise Israel is a fairly liberal state.

 

[crayon]

NORWEGIAN TRAIN DRIVERS STRIKE FOR GAZA
>
> The Norwegian Locomotive Drivers Union has shown what trade
> unions in Britain should be doing now: taking action in
> support of the Palestinians in Gaza.
>
> On Thursday 8 January all trains in the whole of Norway, and
> all trams and subways in Oslo, stood still for two minutes in
> protest against the Israeli invasion. The union issued the
> following information for passengers:
>
> Because of the situation in the Gaza Strip, the Locomotive
> Drivers Union in Norway has decided to demonstrate our
> solidarity with the Palestinian people. This will be organised
> by adding two more minutes of stoppage at the station. The
> same action applies to all passenger trains in Norway
> simultaneously. We demand the immediate withdrawal of all
> Israeli troops from the Palestinian territory. Thank you for
> your understanding.

Interesting

Ooh yes, thank you for posting this! I heard about this on the news the day it happened and tried to look for a source online, but couldn't seem to find one for some reason.
I salute those men and women.eace:

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Apart from the Palestinian issue, my opinion of Israel is quite positive. It's a free, successful, open, fairly liberal, economically sustainable society. It has issues, like any country in the world, but otherwise it's ok.

 

[Woodrow]

Apart from the Palestinian issue, my opinion of Israel is quite positive. It's a free, successful, open, fairly liberal, economically sustainable society. It has issues, like any country in the world, but otherwise it's ok.

Sort of like my saying

"Apart from my poor playing ability I was an excellent basketball player."

One apparently small condition, changes the entire concept and purpose of any issue.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Sort of like my saying

"Apart from my poor playing ability I was an excellent basketball player."

One apparently small condition, changes the entire concept and purpose of any issue.

I did italic it..:-[

 

[Keltoi]

So if the Palestinians were given their own state and international economic aid the calls for the destruction of Israel would cease? I somehow doubt that. That being said, I sincerely hope that whatever peace plan manages to stop this violence will be the start of a lasting peace.

 

[Vito]

So if the Palestinians were given their own state and international economic aid the calls for the destruction of Israel would cease? I somehow doubt that. That being said, I sincerely hope that whatever peace plan manages to stop this violence will be the start of a lasting peace.

As long as zionists are around, there will always be some kind of corruption or destruction going on. A separate state won't fix that.

 

[Woodrow]

So if the Palestinians were given their own state and international economic aid the calls for the destruction of Israel would cease? I somehow doubt that. That being said, I sincerely hope that whatever peace plan manages to stop this violence will be the start of a lasting peace.

Sadly, I do not see how there will be any significant end to the desire of the Destruction of Israel until there has been several generations of Peace.

Collective memories seem to live forever.

Perhaps the only solution is a very strong third party taking control of both sides and forcing peace upon all. Not the USA or any European nation, let China have it and become the world's new bad guy.

 

[بنــuaeــت]

Broken home

And orphaned children

Missing children and women

The men died

But I

Whatever you do

You will never surrender

Allah is with us

اشهد ان لا الله الى الله وان محمد رسول الله

اللهم انصرنا على القوم الكافرين

يارحمن ياغفور ياذا الجلال و الاكرام