Yvonne Ridley about Tariq Ramadhan

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Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

Im not looking foward to it.

In all honesty,i am tired of hearing/reading her opinions.

I didnt have a problem with her until she decided to publicly attack Tariq Ramadan (last year i think?),to me,she is a person who needs to learn Adab,as sami yusuf pointed out.

I guess you can say she falls into my category.

wa'salaam.

p.s that is my opinion.

Please,think twice before starting an arguement with me...
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

:sl:

Out of curiosity, what did she say about Tariq Ramadhan?
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

Oh bro Z, i've thought long and hard about that!
But I agree she can be a lil harsh, but she seems to be spot on to me. That's just my opinion though.
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

I've PM'd you the link akhi.
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

SirZubair said:
Im not looking foward to it.

In all honesty,i am tired of hearing/reading her opinions.

I didnt have a problem with her until she decided to publicly attack Tariq Ramadan (last year i think?),to me,she is a person who needs to learn Adab,as sami yusuf pointed out.

I guess you can say she falls into my category.

wa'salaam.

p.s that is my opinion.

Please,think twice before starting an arguement with me...
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i don't see much of an elite rational mind there lol no offense, if that's how we judge people than Umar would hav beheaded the person who stoodup and told him off publically in his khutbah.... and he would hav told off khawlah when she was advising him...

instead he said 'there is no good in us if we don't listen, and there is no good in you if you didn't say that'. Politeness is good, but sometimes being stern isn't that bad..
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

lolwatever said:
'there is no good in us if we don't listen, and there is no good in you if you didn't say that'. Politeness is good, but sometimes being stern isn't that bad..
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But calling a scholor 'a so-called-scholor' in public is crossing the line.

wa'salaam.
 
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Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

Whoa just read it.... that is harsh.
But I don't paticularly liek Tariq Ramadan, still wouldn't speak about him like that though. But some of the stuff he says is just like....*confused*.
This is gonna get off topic so... yeah....
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

lol i don't believe in lucky stars..
yeh respecting scholars is important, but making a harsh comment against an individual isn't a criteria to demote or promote a person as unscholarly as he or she may be...

Ibn Taymiyah had alot of critics and he prob kenw he was the most knowledgeable person in his time, buthe never used their criticisms and even slurs against him as evdence to disregard them...

Yvonne sounds like a new Muslim, dont really know her that well... but if we keep isolating people like that becasue of what htey think about individuals, then you're gonna split from her, and them i split from you and then everyoen splits up over individuals, nothing even to do with Islam...

As if Tariq ramadhan is a khalifah or something.

salam
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

SirZubair said:
But calling a scholor 'a so-called-scholor' in public is crossing the line.

wa'salaam.
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Sister Yvonne won't be the first to criticise Mr. Ramadhan about this. It can be really frustrating for the Muslims when our own scholars are siding with the politicians and saying, "Yes, yes you're right... They are over reacting".

But I agree, maybe she would have been better off if she didn't reply in an SP manner.

Perhaps we should email our thoughts to Sister Yvonne instead of chatting away here? That way someone will benefit inshaaa'Allah.
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

Far7an said:
Sister Yvonne won't be the first to criticise Mr. Ramadhan about this. It can be really frustrating for the Muslims when our own scholars are siding with the politicians and saying, "Yes, yes you're right... They are over reacting".

But I agree, maybe she would have been better off if she didn't reply in an SP manner.

Perhaps we should email our thoughts to Sister Yvonne instead of chatting away here? That way someone will benefit inshaaa'Allah.
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Too true. We may even fall into backbiting.
Anyone know what her email is?
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

lol someone invite her to the forum... she can tell us what she thinks of all this herself hehe
salam
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

lolwatever said:
As if Tariq ramadhan is a khalifah or something.
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First you compare me to Umar r.a,..then Tariq ramadhan to a khalifah...

..are you feeling ok? Maybe you need to go lay down for a few minutes before you resume posting... :rollseyes

No,he isnt a khalifah.

But atleast he is someone that shows more respect to others than sister yvonne.I would rather listen to someone who is rational minded rather than someone who lets their emotions get the best of them.

Wa'salaam

-Zubair

p.s No,im not having a 'bash' at sister yvonne,..i dont think she is a bad person.

I think she needs to learn ALOT more about islam before she goes out and shouts out her opinion.
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

Far7an said:
Sister Yvonne won't be the first to criticise Mr. Ramadhan about this. It can be really frustrating for the Muslims when our own scholars are siding with the politicians and saying, "Yes, yes you're right... They are over reacting".
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Sidi farhan,..if that is the case,..then i am sorry,...but i am one of those people that will side with those politicians and say "yes,yes,you're right,...they are over reacting"

Ofcourse muslims all around the world had a reason to be upset,but there are ways of dealing with it.

Burning down buildings,killing people,holding banners in one of their hands which say "Islam means peace" and holding another banner in the other hand which says "behead all those that insult islam.." .. isnt the right way of dealing with the issue.

Muslims all around the world could have fought this issue in a better way..

Such as?

Going out there and teaching people the truth,then the entire 'anti-muslim' 'anti-muhammed' propoganda would have fallen on deaf ears.

But no....we couldnt do that could we...we had to go out there and burn buildings...

wa'salaam

-Zubair
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

lol wats with khalifah's and Umar being examples that we're not suppose to use...

are they like not human or angellic or something.. they're the people we lookup to and try to follow, not scholars. We respect scholars because of their link to evidence, we dont respect the evidence because a certain scholar mentioned it... no need to get all emotional bro.

Showing respect isn't the benchmark by which we measure scholarworthiness.. alot of saudi scholars are very good at showing respect to the royal families but that doesnt maek them worth anything in the sight of Allah....

Someone who is harsh but speaks their mind with the little they know is much more better and respected than a scholar who knwos alot and respects everythign under the sun but behaves like a dog.. a suckup.. as Allah describes them in surat (i thinkk al-an'3am) (yes he does call certain scholars dogs because of their hiding knowledge and decieving people)

You can judge whether that applies to tariq or not, i dont know much about him and i'm not really that intersted either..

salam
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

lol wats with khalifah's and Umar being examples that we're not suppose to use...

are they like not human or angellic or something..
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I never said they are 'angellic or something',you were simply making no sense. Deal with it.

lolwatever said:
You can judge whether that applies to tariq or not, i dont know much about him and i'm not really that intersted either..
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Seeing that you are the sort of person that makes his/her mind up about people without knowing anything about them...you are not worth my time or energy.

Wa'salaam.

-Zubair
 
Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

lol bro i didn't make a judgement about anyone... Tariq might be a great bro for all i care.. i was just talking from point of principle.. i left it to you to do the applied math.

salam

ps: bro far7an lol u flooded my inbox sith 'post moved' pm's! lol salam
 
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Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

Before i start to ignore you..


Someone who is harsh but speaks their mind with the little they know is much more better and respected than a scholar who knwos alot and respects everythign under the sun but behaves like a dog.. a suckup.. as Allah describes them in surat (i thinkk al-an'3am) (yes he does call certain scholars dogs because of their hiding knowledge and decieving people)
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Are you refering to Tariq Ramadhan?
 
that verse wasn't revealed because of tariq ramadhan.. it's a global rule

Bro.. maybe you can tell me if it's referring to him?
I hope it isn't.

Why are you so upset at me for? lol sorry if that elite thingy got you cracking

salam
 
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