Yvonne Ridley about Tariq Ramadhan

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Re: Sami Yusuf replies to Yvonne Riddley

Can anyone tell me what is wrong with Tariq's advice to the world :

"When you live in such an environment as a Muslim, it is really important to be able to take a critical distance and not react so emotionally. You need to hold your Islamic principles, but be wise enough not to overreact to provocation."
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Going out there and teaching people the truth,then the entire 'anti-muslim' 'anti-muhammed' propoganda would have fallen on deaf ears.
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Akh Zubair, there were many who did exactly this. And it is mainly these people who felt 'betrayed' by scholars such as himself. Were they over reacting? No, they were voicing their displeasure over the caricatures. Many Muslims in the UK held events and put up stalls in Universities and Colleges.. Many of them (through the mercy of Allah) were successful.

I agree with you that there were Muslims who acted in a manner which was not helpful at all.

May Allaah guide us all to that which pleases him.
 
bro zubair tell me the context he said that in and what he was referring to inshalah ill tell u wat i think of it..

on its face value sounds good, if the attack is just personal, then yeh deffo we shouldnt overreact to provocations (you know.. say someone gets cynical over another person's nick and the othe rperson over reacts and decides to ask them to thank their lucky stars and then ignore them etc..)

salams mate
 
lolwatever said:
that verse wasn't revealed because of tariq ramadhan.. it's a global rule

Bro.. maybe you can tell me if it's referring to him?
I hope it isn't.

Why are you so upset at me for? lol sorry if that elite thingy got you cracking

salam
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My senses are coming back.

I apoligise.

No,its not the 'elite thingy' that got me cracking,..it is the constant lol's :grumbling

I never said those verses were revealed for tariq ramadan :hiding: Its just that,since you quoted it,i had to ask you what that was in reference to.

Kapish? :statisfie
 
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Akh Zubair, there were many who did exactly this. And it is mainly these people who felt 'betrayed' by scholars such as himself. Were they over reacting? No, they were voicing their displeasure over the caricatures. Many Muslims in the UK held events and put up stalls in Universities and Colleges.. Many of them (through the mercy of Allah) were successful.

I agree with you that there were Muslims who acted in a manner which was not helpful at all.

May Allaah guide us all to that which pleases him.
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Akhi,that i dont understand. He wasnt refering to those who demonstrated in a peaceful manner.His advice was to the brothers and sisters out there who were seeking Blood,spilling blood,not the ones who were doing exactly what Tariq ramadan wanted.

Heck,forget about what Tariq wanted,..what Muhammed s.a.w would have wanted.
 
hehe no worries bro Zubair all over, sorry the lol's got on your nerves... i do hav a lol disease.. it's even infected my avatar

salamz :)
 
You know what i've just realised?

I am behaving no-better than Sister Yvonne ridley.Right now,im doing exactly what she seems to love doing.

So im calling it quits.I've already climbed down to the level im accusing her of being on,i dont want to go down any further.

Wa'salaam

-Zubair
 
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Salaam o alaikum,

MashaAllah. I respect you for having been self critical and honest enough to accept it out loud. Truly respect that.

We all are humans only struggling to do our best. Even sister Ridley. And we all do wrong.

May Allah forgive us, grant us the strength to accept our shortcomings and work to improve them, as you have done admiringly brother Zubair. And may He (SWT) guide us all. Aameen.

Alaikum Salaam
 
SirZubair said:
You know what i've just realised?

I am behaving no-better than Sister Yvonne ridley.Right now,im doing exactly what she seems to love doing.

So im calling it quits.I've already climbed down to the level im accusing her of being on,i dont want to go down any further.

Wa'salaam

-Zubair
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You can carry on the conversation with out exploding can't you? Lol.
I think we should continue this in a respectful manner. Remember my post on Adab everyone... if ya seen it!
So yeah....
 
Umm_Shaheed said:
You can carry on the conversation with out exploding can't you? Lol.
I think we should continue this in a respectful manner. Remember my post on Adab everyone... if ya seen it!
So yeah....
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Yes i have seen it :) and i am working on my adab,..which is all the more reason for me to not take part in this discussion. (i think i've said enough).

I can accept people critisising me,..or other scholors.

I have no problems with that,..but putting someone down like that,..im sorry,but i find that to be absolutly disgusting.

Wa'salaam.
 
Yeah akhee we have all said it was a little harsh. But sometimes when I see what Traiq Ramadan says..... :grumbling:.
Like making ijtihaad on the punishment of a thief..... *sigh* (we gotta look at the qur'an with new eyes you see).
So I can see why Yvonne Ridley is mad at him. If you like akhee you can email her with some polite advice?
W'salaam
 
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Yeah akhee we have all said it was a little harsh. But sometimes when I see what Traiq Ramadan says..... :grumbling:.
Like making ijtihaad on the punishment of a thief..... *sigh* (we gotta look at the qur'an with new eyes you see).
So I can see why Yvonne Ridley is mad at him.
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Maybe it is best to Email him and ask him what he meant by that?

Because at times,what we think people mean/are trying to say is no-where near what they are actually trying to say.

I wont make a comment on 'what he meant',because i dont KNOW what he meant.But i have a fair idea about what i THINK he meant.but once again,i wont make any comments,since i dont know for a fact.

Umm_Shaheed said:
If you like akhee you can email her with some polite advice?
W'salaam
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I will insha'allah consider doing that in the near-future (if she carried on with this behavior.)
 
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Subhan'Allah.

Abu Ad-Darda narrated that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:

"The one who rebuts another from backbiting has protected himself from the fire."

We should defend our brothers in sisters in good times and bad and refrain from backbiting in such a way when we not only injure ourselves but others aswell.

May Allah subhanahu wa ta'la lead us onto sirat al mustaqeem Insha'Allah.

(And when they hear Al-Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk), they withdraw from it and say: "To us our deeds, and to you your deeds. Peace be to you. We seek not the ignorant.)(28:55)

"...no one believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself."(Muslim)

Subhan'Allah.

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hey but i don't think its backbiting when something is outside in the public domain and it's to do with knowledge, facts and stats..

Umm like soemtomes people might tell prophet 'so and so doen that' and the prophet would suss them for that even though they not around, ofcourse the diff is, he'd say the same when they do come by him... because its a knowledge matter and people will get decieved or misinformed if they don't learn.

especially for scholars, hey.. im not implying that tariq is better than yvonne or visa versa, barely know who either of em are.. but im just saying.

if u look in the history no one critcised people for making academic criticism of individuals behind thier backs, scholars or not scholars.
 
Ok who is Tariq Ramadhan is he the Scholar from Eygpt and what did Sami Yusuf have to do with this
 
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Ok who is Tariq Ramadhan is he the Scholar from Eygpt and what did Sami Yusuf have to do with this
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No,he isnt a scholar from eygpt.

Here,check out his website :

http://www.tariqramadan.com/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=6

MuslimWays,..wrong thread.

That letter has been posted twice,in the appropriate thread.

For those that are confused,i kicked up a storm in the thread Regarding Sami Yusufs letter to Yvone Riddley,..and then i asked Far7an to start a new thread,and remove my posts from the Sami Yusuf thread and post them here.

I dont think i need to explain it any further.

Wa'salaam
 
who is tariq ramadhan?????????
is this yvonne from islam channel u talkin aBOUT
 
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