Yvonne Ridley about Tariq Ramadhan
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So Bro u seek to find "New" ideas in the Quran, you see im all up for interpreting the Quran but if i was "looking" for new ideas thats a dangerous thing.
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So what do you call making ijtihaad on the punishment of the thief? Is that not a revolt against the laws of Allah? I know scholars are allowed to make ijtihaad where there is nothing said about that matter in the Qur'an and sunnah, but let's not make it a habit. I'm sorry, but I have no respect for him.
I agree with you sis786.
W'salaam
I agree with you sis786.
W'salaam
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Do you think that is right though?
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Yes,i do.
I believe in forgivness.
If we cant forgive others for small (stealing) or big (murder) things/sins,we shouldnt expect AL-lah's mercy on the day of judgement.
Thats how i see it,and so yes,i am on the same level as him.
But like i said,thats just me,each to his/her own.
Wa'salaam.
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So... because Allah set down a punishment that lessens His Mercy? Allah is Merciful, but I don't think we should push it by changing His laws. We are nothing. Who are we to make ijtihaad on His divine laws?
Ok.... lets make ijtihaad on the punishment of the adulterer, the murderer, the apostate, because Allah is Merciful? Or is it because we are arrogant?
SubhanAllah.... the Ummah is lost.
Ok.... lets make ijtihaad on the punishment of the adulterer, the murderer, the apostate, because Allah is Merciful? Or is it because we are arrogant?
SubhanAllah.... the Ummah is lost.
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Sis,i am not going to argue with you.
I'll say this in the simplest way that i can.
You believe in punishing people for their bad deeds.You choose to read about Allah swt's punishments according to the holy quran.
I believe in forgiving people and letting Allah swt be the judge.I choose to read about Allahs mercy according to the Holy quran.Correct me if i am wrong,but after Allah swt has revealed to us what sorts of punishment such and such crimes deserve,has he not said "..but it is best/better to forgive" ?
If what i've said above is incorrect,then please correct me,I will respect you for it.
But if what i've said above is correct,then please,do not reply,whatever respect i have for you (..trust me,theres alot of it..),i wont lose any.
And no,the Ummah isnt lost.Difference of opinions have existed from the beginning,yet the Ummah has got this far.
For the 3rd time,each to his own.
Leave it be.
Competley with you and its great that you mentioned this as it was oulined in his programme he believed that this punishment should be "relooked" at.
Allah swt is MOST merciful and we like the sis said are nothing compared to him. If we "Re look" at this law then whats next, Lets forgive Adulters i mean its a mistake and yeah also Murderes and Rapist.
Allahs SWT law is perfect and his instructions clear and thats it!
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They're laws that state what to do with these people, if the people who commited these sins had any sense and iman they'd take the punishment in this dunya so when it comes to akhria they won't be asked about it.
Exellent point.
If they choose to do so,then so be it.
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