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Does anyone else feel that we should do something about Robert Mugabe?
Morgan Tsvangirai is not to blame for the violence! Robert Mugabe is! Robert Mugabe accuses the MDC for lying about the violence but it is himself who is a liar!
 
good ol' faith said:
Does anyone else feel that we should do something about Robert Mugabe?
Morgan Tsvangirai is not to blame for the violence! Robert Mugabe is! Robert Mugabe accuses the MDC for lying about the violence but it is himself who is a liar!
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Why should we? It's not our problem. Everyone wants us to stop playing world cop. I say we give them what they want.
 
Izyan said:
Why should we? It's not our problem. Everyone wants us to stop playing world cop. I say we give them what they want.
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Conveniant how you want this after the iraqi/afghani mess, isn't it?

The UK and US should do something about Mugabe - that is, if they are as altruistic as they like to act. But, they probably won't - I mean, if we don't do anything about a country (aka N. Korea) that actually launches a missile at the US, I doubt we'll be taking down Mugabe (who just beats/kills his own citizens) anytime soon.
 
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aamirsaab said:
Conveniant how you want this after the iraqi/afghani mess, isn't it?

The UK and US should do something about Mugabe - that is, if they are as altruistic as they like to act.
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Cause and effect. I say we pull out of Iraq, pull out of Afghanistan (less special ops to kill Bin Laden), remove all troops from Europe, Withdraw from NATO, remove all troops from Asia that's not on of territories, and cut all aid to all countries. Sign special treaties with the UK, Australia, Poland, Denmark, Japan, and India and tell the rest of the world to go jump. You need supplies delivered to Indonesia after a disaster? Sure we'll help but first how much you got?
 
Izyan said:
Cause and effect. I say we pull out of Iraq, pull out of Afghanistan (less special ops to kill Bin Laden), remove all troops from Europe, Withdraw from NATO, remove all troops from Asia that's not on of territories, and cut all aid to all countries. Sign special treaties with the UK, Australia, Poland, Denmark, Japan, and India and tell the rest of the world to go jump. You need supplies delivered to Indonesia after a disaster? Sure we'll help but first how much you got?
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Real humanitarian approach you got there.
 
Izyan said:
Explain to me how I am in the wrong
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Those with power have responsibility. You want the US to negate it's responsibility by passing the buck onto God. You're using a technicality to get out of charity - that's wrong.
 
aamirsaab said:
Those with power have responsibility. You want the US to negate it's responsibility by passing the buck onto God. You're using a technicality to get out of charity - that's wrong.
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The American public can give to whoever they please but it's not the responsibility of the US government to do the same. I'm going to use muslims as an example (this also involves a lot of other countries and people so don't misconstrue this as an anti-muslim rant). The muslim world wants us out of their affairs right? It is regularly stated that we are the main culprits in the unrest in the muslim world. If we pull all resources out then you are no longer burdened with this problem. We will no longer prop up regimes you don't like. We will no longer support Israel. We will no longer sell weapons to anyone in the ME. On the flip side we will no longer wheel in Israel when it's feeling their oats. We will no longer protect muslims from people like Milosevich. We will no longer supply aid to places like China during earthquakes, Indonesia during Tsunamis, and Korea during Famines. You can't hae it both ways. You can't rant about how bad the cow is and still eat the beef. Essentially I would be giving the world want it wants. We have things here at home the money would be better spent on.
 
Izyan said:
.... It is regularly stated that we are the main culprits in the unrest in the muslim world. If we pull all resources out then you are no longer burdened with this problem. We will no longer prop up regimes you don't like. We will no longer support Israel. We will no longer sell weapons to anyone in the ME. On the flip side we will no longer wheel in Israel when it's feeling their oats. We will no longer protect muslims from people like Milosevich. We will no longer supply aid to places like China during earthquakes, Indonesia during Tsunamis, and Korea during Famines. You can't hae it both ways. You can't rant about how bad the cow is and still eat the beef. Essentially I would be giving the world want it wants. We have things here at home the money would be better spent on.
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Ah but the US is currently dealing with the middle east. In which case, why is the US (and UK for that matter) not in zimbabwe? It should be if it's meddling with the middle east, but it isn't is it?
 
aamirsaab said:
Ah but the US is currently dealing with the middle east. In which case, why is the US (and UK for that matter) not in zimbabwe? It should be if it's meddling with the middle east, but it isn't is it?
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That's why I advocate pulling out of the ME, Europe, Asia, and Africa. It's none of our business. Let them figure it out.
 
good ol' faith said:
Does anyone else feel that we should do something about Robert Mugabe?
Morgan Tsvangirai is not to blame for the violence! Robert Mugabe is! Robert Mugabe accuses the MDC for lying about the violence but it is himself who is a liar!
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interesting question. (if only the u.n. was real and had teeth).
question is who is "we" - who should do it? and what should be done?
is there a way to get rid of mugabe without punishing the people? obviously bombing is not the answer. i don't think sanctions are either - they too, will hurt the people, not mugabe.
maybe best way would be IF we had a real u.n. - the u.n should send an assaisin. but back to reality....
in other words your question raises many other questions.
i really don't know how mugabe should be dealt with.
 
snakelegs said:
interesting question. (if only the u.n. was real and had teeth).
question is who is "we" - who should do it? and what should be done?
is there a way to get rid of mugabe without punishing the people? obviously bombing is not the answer. i don't think sanctions are either - they too, will hurt the people, not mugabe.
maybe best way would be IF we had a real u.n. - the u.n should send an assaisin. but back to reality....
in other words your question raises many other questions.
i really don't know how mugabe should be dealt with.
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Is it our place to send an assasin? Wasn't he legally elected? If the people want him desposed they have the power to do it.
 
i agree with izyan, he thinks Muslims will fall apart if what he wants happens, yet the opposite will happen, it will take time to ADAPT, but we will adapt and will use all the money we have for our good, to make our own products, technology etc etc. this is very good if it happens, it will allow us Muslims to get away from all corrupt corporate products and businesses.

do you know how advanced we Muslims would be if all our natural resources werent being held in the hands of a few American puppets? we would be the most powerful, advanced peoples on this planet, just like the Golden days.

sadly this will never happen, were always going to be in bed with each other, the only time it will be good for us like the old days will be when the Mahdi and prophet Jesus appear. :) all will be good then, when both of them finnish their missions offcourse.
 
snakelegs said:
interesting question. (if only the u.n. was real and had teeth).
question is who is "we" - who should do it? and what should be done?
is there a way to get rid of mugabe without punishing the people? obviously bombing is not the answer. i don't think sanctions are either - they too, will hurt the people, not mugabe.
maybe best way would be IF we had a real u.n. - the u.n should send an assaisin. but back to reality....
in other words your question raises many other questions.
i really don't know how mugabe should be dealt with.
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For heavens sake, the guy is a hundred years old.
 
The_Prince said:
i agree with izyan, he thinks Muslims will fall apart if what he wants happens, yet the opposite will happen, it will take time to ADAPT, but we will adapt and will use all the money we have for our good, to make our own products, technology etc etc. this is very good if it happens, it will allow us Muslims to get away from all corrupt corporate products and businesses.

do you know how advanced we Muslims would be if all our natural resources werent being held in the hands of a few American puppets? we would be the most powerful, advanced peoples on this planet, just like the Golden days.

sadly this will never happen, were always going to be in bed with each other, the only time it will be good for us like the old days will be when the Mahdi and prophet Jesus appear. :) all will be good then, when both of them finnish their missions offcourse.
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Did I claim that? Did I say the muslim world would fall apart? Islam has been around since 600A.D. The Persians and the Turks longer than that. I don't think they are going anywhere anytime soon. I'm for letting people stand on their own 2 feet for a change. By the way without the West investment and technology that oil would still be in the ground. As it is they have to get foreigners to run the oil wells now.
 
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