Zimbabwe elections.

Izyan said:
Is it our place to send an assasin? Wasn't he legally elected? If the people want him desposed they have the power to do it.
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this is why i said "maybe". the questions raised by the OP are very difficult ones and raise more questions and i don't know the answers.
normally, i think yes - people should handle their own problems themselves and outsiders should mind their own business.
but if a ruler is killing people outside intervention is indicated rather than wait until the people can get rid of him and have hundreds of thousands more people killed or tortured.
questions are who should do it and how (without it harming even more innocent people (like bombings or sanctions, which never effect the ruler anyway)? and is it even do-able? i think if something can be done, it would have to be on some kind of an international level.
 
snakelegs said:
normally, i think yes - people should handle their own problems themselves and outsiders should mind their own business.
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The trouble is that, at least in the case of the neighbouring states, the Zimbabwe situation will very quickly become "their business" even more than it is already. There has already been violence in South Africa between Zimbawean exiles fleeing the Mugabe regime and those who wish they had stayed at home. (Daily Telegraph). Zimbabwe is an economic disaster, with inflation so high prices can literally double between the shelf and the checkout and unemployment at 80%. That is not sustainable, sooner or later people will starve unless they go to war, or move, and they will try to move outside Zimbabwe... into refugee camps that make those in the Lebanon look like holiday camps.

I just don't understand why Mbeki continues to do nothing. It is obvious 'quiet diplomacy' was and is a total failure and that progress is not possible. Sooner or later South Africa and the other countries neighbouring Zimbabwe must act. Unlike the UK and US, the blood will start to flow on their streets if they do not.

I doubt an assassin would solve anything. I don't think Mugabe is even pulling the strings any more; there are just too many of his cronies with their own position and wealth to protect, and responsibility for the massacres in Matabeleland (and a great many other things) that an MDC government would hold them to account for. When such people includine all those in senior positions in both army and police it is almost impossible to dislodge them other than by violent uprising.
 
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Stop fighting please. More rational discussion, less passive aggression. Thanks.
 
good ol' faith said:
Does anyone else feel that we should do something about Robert Mugabe?
Morgan Tsvangirai is not to blame for the violence! Robert Mugabe is! Robert Mugabe accuses the MDC for lying about the violence but it is himself who is a liar!
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Mele Zenawi?:?

Check him out.

I am tried of the West supporting one dictator while trying to criticize the other one.
 
i have questions????
does the media ever show why so many zims support mugabe
is the west behind tsvangari for a reason

ARE U VOTING FOR MUGABE OR MUGABE
lol...................


when mugabe moves white farmers or ppl of their lands
itsn't it the same thing when western governments say that immigrants should not come in their country

....just saying.
 
smile said:
when mugabe moves white farmers or ppl of their lands
itsn't it the same thing when western governments say that immigrants should not come in their country

....just saying.
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No, it isn't. White farmers aren't the issue. It's not the redistribution of land, which was inevitable and had it been done fairly probably just, but the people it was given to. Instead of the land being given to those who actually laboured on it it was given to "war veterans" (i.e Mugabe cronies) who - unlike their colonial predecessors, simply had no idea what to do with it. Hence the bread basket of Africa became the basket case of Africa.
 
snakelegs said:
not sure what this has to do with anything. no matter how old he is he is causing oppression and suffering and even if he lives for another week, he will cause more.
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The world is full of cruel dicatators and oppressing regimes. Why fight a 84-year-old?
 
I think the Zimbabwean army is behind him they could do a coup now while he is in Egypt but they arnt...
 
Realistically, since we mostly agree that wiping the floor with Mugabe's military isn't going to solve anything, what other options are there? The Western governments have condemned the election as a sham and denounced Mugabe personally. What else is there besides military action? Yes, if the U.N. was actually a functioning entity it could occupy Zimbabwe and enforce a fair and free election. However, that isn't going to happen. The U.N. only has two teeth, the U.S. and the U.K., who have obigations elsewhere.

On a side note, since N. Korea was mentioned, the U.S. and the other five involved nations are working very closely with them to destroy their nuclear capability. North Korea allowed the destruction of one of their facilities to be taped as evidence and handed over all documents relating to personel and technology. So North Korea is hardly forgotten.
 
If anyones interested the ICC the international cricket council held a vote on banning Zimbabwe from cricket only India and Pakistan voted against...
 
Well Palestians are our brothers....But Colonel Gaddafi leader of Libya since 1969 sais when Libya were getting bombed by the Americans and under un sanctions fellow arabs turned there backs on his country...
 
Well Palestians are our brothers
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Are Zimbabweans not your brothers? You cannot deny that what is happening now in Zimbabwe is worse than anything the Palestinian's are living through (Though neither compare to the genocide of muslims in Darfur, of course).
 
mediadave said:
Are Zimbabweans not your brothers? You cannot deny that what is happening now in Zimbabwe is worse than anything the Palestinian's are living through (Though neither compare to the genocide of muslims in Darfur, of course).
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Brother it is Muslims doing (most) not all of the genocide but most of it the Janjaweed militia....And Palestians are locked in a cage the Zionists and Egyptians have locked them in...
 
AU should intervene. They don't seem to give a monkeys. Though some coutries in Africa have the same kind of rulers as Mugabe is, so they can't attack what they do themselves! Mebekhi says nothing, only Kenyan leader has. But as you atch/hear th news, they don't too bothered at all. It's like 'Meh so what'

UK/US should put pressure on, but sanctions won't work Russia and China have blocked them. They only hurt the people (sanctions I mean) Ethiopia have sent troops to Somalia (back by the US) but they can't send them to Zim? that's on the doorstep!

Oh well, may God have mercy on the people who are tourtured, raped, killed. (This goes for Sudan, Iraq etc etc)
 
Izyan said:
I agree why care?
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Because if you are a true believer, then you'd want to help those that are unfortunate, this is the message of God. If you claim to be religous and pious, yet state ''why should we care'' you're worse than the devil himself!
 

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