Moving to Saudi

Yup, exactly.

Aite, this is the thing, my family friend I found out yday owns a cafe place, so he can hire me as anything he wants and I can work for him right?

And can I look for other jobs then if he does hire me? Like better paid and so forth, and then if I work with them (other jobs) and the contract finishes Ican go back to the family friend?

format_quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

I guess we finished with the politics now right guys?

was followed by:

format_quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi

Where do the beheadings and so forth take place?

sorry Easa, i just found that funny!

i'm actually in a similar situation Akhi, my wife's brother lives in Makkah and she wants us to move there. i'm of the mindset that Medinah would be better, but based upon some maybe unfounded ideas was thinking that UAE or another country. at any rate, we hope that, In Sha'a Allah, we are able to make Hijra to the Arabian peninsula!

those who are offended by anti-Saudi remarks, could you let us which remarks and why? [if that's OK Easa] the beginning of the thread had me thinking no-way to go there, but it isn't based upon knowledge that is for certain accurate!

regarding the Hospitality Industry, are the workers at the big hotels in Makkah and Medina Muslim? or are they Immigrant workers?

what do all the malls, restaurants and hotels do at prayer time? who minds the store? who watches the ovens? who watches the front desk?

Why do they ban people from openly practicing a religion other than Islam? Why do they ban churches and synagogues from being built?

i thought that after the conquest of Makkah, the Messenger of Allah, Salla Allahu Alayhe Wa Salaam, banned all other religions! it IS "our" "Holy Land", innit?

but if there are no churches and synagogues, dose that mean there are no non-Muslim tourists in Makkah and Medinah? i ask because i spent 30 years in the Hospitality business and it may be where i can not only find employment but do some good as i spent most of my life training folks and resolving disputes in that arena.

nice thread and i hope my questions or comments don't offend anyone!

As long as he owns it, like, he's not just working there, he actually owns the place, then yeah, he can hire you.

I asked my parents a saudi person needs to sponsor a business and they said no, as long as it's a legit business, the owner can hire people and sponsor them.

Inshallah everything I'm telling you is right, I'd hate to give you the wrong info. I'm pretty sure of everything I'm saying, and if I'm not, I'm mentioning it, so if you find out anything contrary to what I'm telling you, I apologize..

format_quote Originally Posted by YusufNoor

but based upon some maybe unfounded ideas was thinking that UAE or another country.

Actually, if you want it to be somewhere "islamic" in the UAE, I would recommend sharjah. It's more conservative than dubai and AD, mashallah it's great there. Alcohol is also not allowed there (for whoever it was that was wondering about alcohol)

regarding the Hospitality Industry, are the workers at the big hotels in Makkah and Medina Muslim? or are they Immigrant workers?

I'm not sure about madinah, but in makkah they are mostly saudis and muslim immigrant workers.

what do all the malls, restaurants and hotels do at prayer time? who minds the store? who watches the ovens? who watches the front desk?

The store closes and all the men go to the masjid to pray (one thing i like about saudi). If you're in a restaurant, they close the doors, don't let any body out or in, stop serving, but you stay inside the restaurant.

but if there are no churches and synagogues, dose that mean there are no non-Muslim tourists in Makkah and Medinah? i ask because i spent 30 years in the Hospitality business and it may be where i can not only find employment but do some good as i spent most of my life training folks and resolving disputes in that arena.

Again, I'm not sure about madinah, but non muslims are definitely not allowed into makkah.

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format_quote Originally Posted by crayon

As long as he owns it, like, he's not just working there, he actually owns the place, then yeah, he can hire you.

I asked my parents a saudi person needs to sponsor a business and they said no, as long as it's a legit business, the owner can hire people and sponsor them.

Inshallah everything I'm telling you is right, I'd hate to give you the wrong info. I'm pretty sure of everything I'm saying, and if I'm not, I'm mentioning it, so if you find out anything contrary to what I'm telling you, I apologize..

Well he aint saudi, so he doesnt have land, what he does do is rent the land and runs the business i.e. he owns the business but not the land if that makes sense, in that case what is the position? Can he hire me?

what about censorship? i have a large selection of works put out by Mesorah Publishing, a Jewish company specializing in conservative Jewish commentary on the Torah and Tanakh. [i find them indispensable for Comparative Religion discussions] is one allowed to have those in Makkah and Medinah and will they get past customs through the mail? [if/when i order more]

The store closes and all the men go to the masjid to pray (one thing i like about saudi).

is this enforced? what if you're sick? [btw, it sounds awesome! the main reason my wife married me is because i attend the Masjid for all 5 prayers. that is harder in the winter when 4 of the 5 prayes are during work and i HATE IT WHEN I CAN'T PRAY ON TIME ]

Al Habeshi- I'm pretty sure he can, as long as he has a legit business that has gone through all the proper procedures to be set up, then he can sponsor people to work in his company, and inshallah it should be fine. Best ask him to make sure of everything before you decide on anything, of course.

YusufNoor- I'm pretty sure those won't be allowed. They don't even allow bibles. And all packages are checked before they are delivered to your home, and a lot of the time they never arrive. A friend sent me a package from canada containing cookies, candy, that sort of stuff. She sent it in october, it arrived last month. She also sent a book in another package which hasn't arrived yet, and I doubt it ever will. It was called "extremely loud and incredibly close" if you want to google it, I doubt it has anything offensive in it, but oh well. I never order anything from online because things usually get lost/taken in the mail.

Yeah, it's enforced very well. Usually everyone just closes come salah time, but the security guards go around the mall to make sure everyone is following the rules just in case.

can you get an indefinate visa for working or do you keep renewing it?

Also, if you marry a woman from there do you get nationality? (nt that that is my intention, lol)

edit: also, if i go for a job then everything that i have will be included with that, like money and other expensise, if the job pays rubbish then thats it, am like in trouble right?

Bro', I know crayon is answering most of your questions masha'Allah, but here's a good site I found.

format_quote Originally Posted by pauper

The Only reason Crayon is dislikes it here , cause as she/he said , you cant have fun here , but Why she/he is still here only Allah knows if it so bad , Must be like all others who hate it here but want to live here for the MONEY ! .

Bro I think she said that it was cos she is only 16, it would be abit hard for her to move out wouldn't it.

Anyhow, everyone is giving their opinion on the matter, crayon has said theres good and bad I think.

Brother Ali may Allah reward you with good thank you for the site!!

format_quote Originally Posted by Mercedes

Yes he can do that and u can work for him, but check into the average money people who work in cafes make here it isnt much, since they usually hire third world workers for that. Maybe he could put u down as a managerial position.

U have to renew ur visa (iqamah) every 2 years. If you find a better job, u can transfer ur iqaamah to that company.

a foreign investor license allows u to own land and property just like a citizen.

Wa Alaykum Salaam,

So if I own land there then how can I get kicked out? What if my business is going downhill and I close it down but I still own the land do I get kicked out?

No you dont get nationality for marrying a saudi woman, and your children are not Saudi, but if a woman marries a saudi man she gets the nationality and her children.

I heard that if you do 'extraordinary' things then you may get citizenship? Like one brother, shaykh, from my country got citizenship or so I am told, Tawfiq as Sayegh an imam in a masjid. True, i think he is in Jeddah

format_quote Originally Posted by Mercedes

U will not be kicked out as long as you have property in ur name here, cuz ur money was invested in that land. u r still an investor in the country.

Yeah the citizenship is sometimes played around with for big people, and people who can pay for it there are qualifications to be met though.

Wa Alaykum Salaam,

SubhanAllah, wow I didnt know that about the land thing, I thought if you were not saudi you couldnt own load, but I guess the land is expensive.

Also if you work and you want to go back to the UK or something for a month what do you have to do? is it very complicated?

Also, if you own an apartment in a block is that the same as owning land>?

Thanks I edited the questiosn to add these

Also if you work and you want to go back to the UK or something for a month what do you have to do? is it very complicated?

Also, if you own an apartment in a block is that the same as owning land>?


I was thinking land in Jeddah

Also if someone wants to send you money say from the UK is that easy? Like if I had family in the UK sending me money whilst I worked in Jeddah