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    Salam and shalom to everyone...

    I would like to ask you a question regarding Israel and jewish people.

    Do you think that jewish people have a right to live in the Middle East. I read muslim forums and people often say that Jews have no right to be there.

    I have nothing against Palestinians, i have nothing against Arab people who live in Europe.

    Do you think I have a right to move and live in Israel?

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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    I have Jewish friends. I have nothing against the Jews. Muslims and Jews do share similarities. It is Zionism that I'm not fond of. The ideology itself is not what I have a problem with. It is the impact it had on the Middle East which is what I disprove of.

    Jewish people can live in the Middle East if they wish. Jews and Muslims in the past did lived in peace before the State of Israel was even created and before the conflict started.

    I dislike how the Israeli government continue to mistreat Palestinians. I believe they should be left alone in peace.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    if you move and live to "Israel" (what I call occupied Palestine), then you will live in the land and maybe even a house, whose real owner might be murdered by zionists or expelled by zionists. Do you think it is your right to live there when Palestinians haven´t right to return to they lands and houses?
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    I am in favor of so if the person is doing so as a pious Jew and not as a zionist and if they have obtained their property Justly. I do disagree with anybody moving into the "Settlements" the zionist government is carving out of Palestinian land stolen from the West bank or Gaza.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    Zionism is what most hate, not Jews.

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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    There are Jews who dislike Zionism. They're Orthodox Jews.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow View Post
    There are Jews who dislike Zionism. They're Orthodox Jews.
    That reminds me some videos al Jazeera channel filmed when some Jews were protesting in Europe lifting signs with anti-Zionism words written on it. I think they were trying to tell the world that Judaism and Zionism are not the same thing.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

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    Salam and shalom to everyone...

    I would like to ask you a question regarding Israel and jewish people.

    Do you think that jewish people have a right to live in the Middle East. I read muslim forums and people often say that Jews have no right to be there.

    I have nothing against Palestinians, i have nothing against Arab people who live in Europe.

    Do you think I have a right to move and live in Israel?
    All human beings have the right to live on this planet, regardless of creed, colour, nationality or otherwise.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

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    Salam and shalom to everyone...

    I would like to ask you a question regarding Israel and jewish people.

    Do you think that jewish people have a right to live in the Middle East. I read muslim forums and people often say that Jews have no right to be there.

    I have nothing against Palestinians, i have nothing against Arab people who live in Europe.

    Do you think I have a right to move and live in Israel?
    as long as the Palestinians want you there (as it is their land to decide), then it's up to them and only them really. i dont think we really have the right to comment.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed View Post
    as long as the Palestinians want you there (as it is their land to decide), then it's up to them and only them really. i dont think we really have the right to comment.
    There is another way of looking at it.

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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    if i stole ur land and lived in it do i have the right to do so and invite others or is it oppression towards you?
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

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    I don't think any Historian is for sure who were the first people to enter the lands. No one knows from my knowledge. Many people had invaded that land for various of reasons. However if that is the case, it would mean America would have to return the land to the Aborigines. Though I don't see any problem with Hadas moving to Israel. I wouldn't be pleased to hear that they're moving in the illegal settlements of West Bank and Gaza.

    If the conflict is to be resolved then I would personally like the following to occur:

    1. Stop building the illegal settlements.
    2. Both sides must stop fighting within a certain time frame.
    3. Those who have committed war crimes should be put on trial.
    4. Set up a government that balances the rights of Muslims and Jews. Just a country where everyone lives in peace....

    Yeah like that is gonna happen. O.o
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    I agree that people can live where they like, so long as their home wasn't built in the spot another abode was forcibly demolished after immorally evicting its inhabitants.

    In relation to this topic, this doesn't mean Jews can't live in Israel. All it means is that I personally disagree with people settling in the West Bank. Surely there's plenty of other accomodation deeper into Israel?

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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by JaffaCake View Post
    1. Residing in a country via immigration is different from residing in a country via occupation.

    2. "seal their mouths shut," it may. however, this does not nullify the fact and/or the Palestinians right to let in whoever they want on their land.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    if you are not a middle eastern Jew, which in fact less than 5% of Jews are, then I don't see how you can live there under an independent colony?.. You can seek immigration into Palestine and live under their laws, not steal, displace preempt and then turn it around so the locals are labeled terrorists..

    None of us have anything against law abiding Jews (they are human like everyone else is), however, I have plenty against the colonial settler state of Israel and the insensate beings that currently inhabit it to ethnically cleanse while re-writing history..


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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    The longer I live among Native Americans, the more similarity I see between the Palestinians and them.

    Stolen lands, displaced families, branded as savages when protecting what was theirs. Unfair treaties, blatant lies and the final insult of loosing their language, culture and religion.


    However, I have no objection over a pious non-zionist Jew moving to Israel as long as it is not at the expense of any Palestinians.

    In fairness I think before any new settlers move into the area the Displaced Palestinians and Displaced Arab Jews should all have their family lands restored to them or their decedents if they ar no longer alive.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    I don't recognize israel as a country. The whole of what is called israel today, is actually Palestine.

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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Umm ul-Shaheed View Post
    1. Residing in a country via immigration is different from residing in a country via occupation.
    I think you might have missed my point. It appears that you believe ownership of, or at least a right to live on, a piece of land is by birthright.

    It seems that a lot of these arguments rest on a historical claim that Palestinians are the descendants of the original residents. How far back do you go with that? People have moved around a lot in the last few thousand years, I doubt that anyone can say with certainty that all current Palestinians have a link to the original 'owners' (whatever that means) and nobody else does.

    Also, how does that work alongside your belief that everyone is a descendant of Adam? If that's the case surely we all have an equal stake.

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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Afg View Post
    I don't recognize israel as a country. The whole of what is called israel today, is actually Palestine.
    Well do you recognize jews as a nation..

    Do they have right to their own state?

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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    The longer I live among Native Americans, the more similarity I see between the Palestinians and them.

    Stolen lands, displaced families, branded as savages when protecting what was theirs. Unfair treaties, blatant lies and the final insult of loosing their language, culture and religion.


    However, I have no objection over a pious non-zionist Jew moving to Israel as long as it is not at the expense of any Palestinians.

    In fairness I think before any new settlers move into the area the Displaced Palestinians and Displaced Arab Jews should all have their family lands restored to them or their decedents if they ar no longer alive.
    Jews are also native people of the Middle East.


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