format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
One brother has stated that Urdu is "the second language of Islaam". I would just like to make a small correction:
Urdu is one language from the languages of the Muslims. Islaam, on the other hand, has only one language, and that is Arabic. Arabic is the language of the Qur'aan, the language of Jannah, the language of the Malaa'ikah, the language in the Qabr, the language of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and the language Allaah Ta`aalaa has chosen for this Ummah.
Arabic is the language of the Quran. Which is different than saying language of Islam. Urdu can be said as second language of Islam because it is the 2nd most read and spoken language by the Muslims. It is also said to be the sister language of Arabic because of so much similarities between them. I knew of a sister who was of pakistani background but grew up speaking Arabic only. She was not good at urdu but if you start speaking urdu at very high level then the average urdu speaking person could not understand it but she understood just fine because of influence of Arabic over Urdu.
As for Arabic being the language of Jannah. I have to disagree with that and would like to see proof. Arabic is the language of the Arabs. Over centuries of language development, it evolved into many different languages among different nations. Arabs happen to be just one nation of people among so many. The Malaai'kah spoke the language of Jannah (whatever it was) among themselves. They spoke the language of the nation of people they were sent to, how else would the people understand them?
`Allaamah ibn `Asaakir رحمة الله عليه narrates in "at-Taareekh" that the language Nabi Aadam عليه السلام spoke in Jannah was Arabic.
Adam a.s. spoke the language of Jannah but that being the first language, all the rest that followed evolved from that one. To assume Arabic is the language of Jannah and all that is a hubris claim of the Arabs.
(P.S. I can read, write, speak and understand Urdu, but I rarely ever do so.)
That is not something to be proud of. If you are going to be a student of ilm and follow the footsteps of the scholars and dai then you need to learn other languages and communicate in them so the message of Islam can reach everybody.
Arabic is the language of the Quran. Which is different than saying language of Islam. Urdu can be said as second language of Islam because it is the 2nd most read and spoken language by the Muslims. It is also said to be the sister language of Arabic because of so much similarities between them. I knew of a sister who was of pakistani background but grew up speaking Arabic only. She was not good at urdu but if you start speaking urdu at very high level then the average urdu speaking person could not understand it but she understood just fine because of influence of Arabic over Urdu.
As for Arabic being the language of Jannah. I have to disagree with that and would like to see proof. Arabic is the language of the Arabs. Over centuries of language development, it evolved into many different languages among different nations. Arabs happen to be just one nation of people among so many. The Malaai'kah spoke the language of Jannah (whatever it was) among themselves. They spoke the language of the nation of people they were sent to, how else would the people understand them?
Adam a.s. spoke the language of Jannah but that being the first language, all the rest that followed evolved from that one. To assume Arabic is the language of Jannah and all that is a hubris claim of the Arabs.
That is not something to be proud of. If you are going to be a student of ilm and follow the footsteps of the scholars and dai then you need to learn other languages and communicate in them so the message of Islam can reach everybody.
I urge all Muslim Men and women to make and effort inshaAllah to learn Urdu - Second Language of Islam.
Sorry but I beg to differ with you.
There is no proof that Urdu is the second language of Islam so please don't make false claims.
To add nowadays only two languages are beneficial:-
Arabic-because with out it you can not understand your religion in true light.
English-because it is language recognized worldwide.
That does not give any proof. All it is saying is the the importance of learning arabic in order to understand the Quran. Had the prophet() come from Asia, the Quran would have been in Urdu or if he was from Japan the Quran would have been in Japanese. Moses .a.s. people spoke Hebrew so the Torah came in Hebrew to them. Muhammad's people spoke arabic so the Quran came in arabic to them. Yes it's important to learn and know the language in which the revelations came. That is the only important that language has. For someone of student of knowledge, one should not be going around making things up. Not only does that make that dai untrustworthy but also appear to be weak in ilm or basically a liar who exaggerates.
There is no mention in the Qur’aan or in the saheeh Sunnah – as far as we know – of which language is spoken by the people of Paradise. What is narrated concerning that is a hadeeth which is not soundly narrated from our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and some other reports (athaar).
List of farbricated hadith mentioned .....[]
The point is that there is no saheeh evidence to show which language is spoken by the people of Paradise. Hence we should refrain from speaking about this issue and not indulge in it, and we should refer knowledge of the matter to Allaah (may He be exalted), and focus instead on issues that will lead to good deeds in this world.
It really bugs me why people get fixed on a particular language other than Arabic and English.
Who cares if someone can speak Urdu or not?
Because if you want to get to know the Muslims then you need to know the language spoken by majority of them. Arabic is the language of the Quran and most Muslims know only enough arabic to read the Quran, not even understand what they are reading.
Most spoken language among the Muslims is Urdu. It heavily borrowed from the arabic language, even the urdu script looks very very similar to the arabic. It is called the sister language of arabic. This is not my claim but what an Egyptian arabic speaking imam said. If you go to saudi you will find most business arabs and scholars speaking urdu as well so they can have access to most Muslims who go there. If you look int your community, you will find those of SE Asian background the most. IF you want to increase your prospects of marriage (for yourself or your kids) then you get to know SE Asians because that is where you will find the largest pool of candidates. The army that will march from khorasan will be speaking urdu not arabic. And they will wipe the arabs out. So while it bugs you, many other realize that urdu is the dominate language of the Muslims in terms of communications.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Urdu is one language from the languages of the Muslims. Islaam, on the other hand, has only one language, and that is Arabic. Arabic is the language of the Qur'aan, the language of Jannah, the language of the Malaa'ikah, the language in the Qabr, the language of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم and the language Allaah Ta`aalaa has chosen for this Ummah.
Are you arab by any chance ? ... Arabic is the language of the Arabs, its is the language of the Quran because the Quran was sent to a Prophet who happened to be among the Arabs. There is no proof of it being the language of of Jannah, the language of the Malaa'ikah, the language in the Qabr. Bring proof if you make such claims.
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It really bugs me why people get fixed on a particular language other than Arabic and English.
Who cares if someone can speak Urdu or not?
It's just a general interest, ukhti, of course Arabic should be the primary focus of our interest when studying languages but within Islam there is also room for culture as long as it does not contradict with Islam.
Many members here, including me, have parents and grandparents who speak Urdu as a first language, so naturally growing up I learnt that as a second language. My grandmother doesn't know either English or Arabic, Urdu is the only way I communicate with her.
Urdu is a beautiful language in its own right and I don't see the harm in just trying some sentences in it for fun. I've almost made a thread for learning Farsi/Persian as it's directly related to my ethnicity as well, doesn't mean I assume Arabic is less important to learn or Persian is the language of Islam, it's just a language with a wonderful cultural heritage and a wealth of literature, Rumi, Hafez, ect.
That does not give any proof. All it is saying is the the importance of learning arabic in order to understand the Quran. Had the prophet() come from Asia, the Quran would have been in Urdu or if he was from Japan the Quran would have been in Japanese. Moses .a.s. people spoke Hebrew so the Torah came in Hebrew to them. Muhammad's people spoke arabic so the Quran came in arabic to them. Yes it's important to learn and know the language in which the revelations came. That is the only important that language has. For someone of student of knowledge, one should not be going around making things up. Not only does that make that dai untrustworthy but also appear to be weak in ilm or basically a liar who exaggerates.
There is no mention in the Qur’aan or in the saheeh Sunnah – as far as we know – of which language is spoken by the people of Paradise. What is narrated concerning that is a hadeeth which is not soundly narrated from our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and some other reports (athaar).
List of farbricated hadith mentioned .....[]
The point is that there is no saheeh evidence to show which language is spoken by the people of Paradise. Hence we should refrain from speaking about this issue and not indulge in it, and we should refer knowledge of the matter to Allaah (may He be exalted), and focus instead on issues that will lead to good deeds in this world.
Don't let nationalism cause you to reject Ahaadeeth. You quoted IslamQA, which is al-Munajjid. Do you think he agrees with what you have written? He follows Shaykh-ul-Islaam's view that it is not known that Arabic is the language of Jannah and that the matter should be left to Allaah Ta`aalaa; however, he will never deny that Arabic is the language of the Muslims.
The Qur'aan is the Uncreated Kalaam of Allaah. It was always there, even before the creation of Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم, or the Arabs, or this Dunyaa, or anything else. Thus, to claim that it "could have been in Urdu or Japanese" is blatantly false. It could never have been in any other language besides Arabic, because it has Always been in Arabic, because it has always existed. It was not created.
I mentioned in a few posts that yes, I am an Arab. Syrian, originally. You must have missed those posts.
In any case, that is irrelevant. What I have said has got nothing whatsoever to do with being Arab. It has to do with Islaam. If I was an Afghan from Afghanistan, I would have said exactly the same thing.
Salam. Is this zikr in Urdu? It sounds so amazing..
With musical instruments fail.
Dhikr is not a public display of theatrics such as this guy and others from India/Pakistan partake in - I hear its a big money making business, these qawwali's and ghazals posing as dhikr.
It's time to tell it like it is - charity is something we do in private, so much so that we are told that when we give alms to the poor, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand gives out.
Much in the same way, it can be argued that dhikr is not a public display of piety, it never was. Yet - here we are, musical instruments, ghazals/qawwali's...
Anyone remember Nusrat Fatel Ali Khan? He used to get dead drunk on booze before he sat down to sing his "Dum Mastkalander" among others... some of which were religiously inspired.
It's time you woke up and recognised that just because something sounds beautiful, it doesn't necessarily make it so.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
I mentioned in a few posts that yes, I am an Arab. Syrian, originally. You must have missed those posts.
In any case, that is irrelevant. What I have said has got nothing whatsoever to do with being Arab. It has to do with Islaam. If I was an Afghan from Afghanistan, I would have said exactly the same thing.
Don't let nationalism cause you to make claims you can't prove.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Where did you get this from? Who told you this?
No one. I'm making an assumption here based on the fact that khorsan region consists of afghanistan and parts of pakistan and iran. They don't speak arabic there but they do speak urdu. And the army will march towards india and conquer those hindus before going back to the arabs who will refuse to offer them food and they will be wiped out.
The Qur'aan itself is separate from the al-Lohw wal-Qalam. It is the Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa. People wrote the Qur'aan down as it was revealed, yes. However, the Qur'aan is the Direct Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa. Those speaking have never studied `Aqeedah. All Madhaahib of `Aqeedah, i.e. Ash`ari, Maatureedi, Athari (Salafi), agree that the Qur'aan is the Uncreated Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa. The Speech of Allaah is an Attribute of His. No Attribute of Allaah is "created". If an Attribute of Allaah is "created" it would entail that He Himself is "created". This is the view given by Imaam at-Tahaawi and all of the other giants of `Aqeedah for the last 1,400+ years of Islaam.
The Qur'aan itself, in Arabic, is the Direct Speech of Allaah.
Surely the simple answer to this is that without doubt the language of the Qur'an and the Hadith, and so the lingua franca of Islam, is the Arabic language. And anyone who wishes to further their understanding of Islam should most definitely study Arabic as opposed to any other language.
And Urdu or Chinese or Spanish or whatever are *not* the languages of Islam or required to have an understanding of the faith. However within Islam is the room for culture as long as it does not contradict with our deen.
So, there's no harm in speaking Urdu or any other language so long as we do not give it precedence over the necessity of learning Arabic and do not give the impression Urdu is necessary for a Muslim to learn. It's not - it's one of the many languages the people of the Ummah speak - and the one language we are united by is Arabic, the language of the Qur'an and the Hadith, the prayers we recite in salah are in Arabic, the greeting Assalamu Alaykum is in Arabic, ect.
No one. I'm making an assumption here based on the fact that khorsan region consists of afghanistan and parts of pakistan and iran. They don't speak arabic there but they do speak urdu. And the army will march towards india and conquer those hindus before going back to the arabs who will refuse to offer them food and they will be wiped out.
1) Incorrect. Someone did tell it to you. It was Shaytaan.
2) There is no room for "assumptions" in Deen. Someone else can "assume" that white unicorns with rainbow coloured horns exist and leprechauns in green uniforms ride around on them in magical forests where other people can't see. If you can make an assumption, so can he.
3) Where did you get this from? Khuraasaan and its people do not only speak Urdu. India, Pakistani, Bangladesh, Afghanistan don't all have only one language. The language the people of that army will be speaking has not been mentioned. Also, where have you received this information from that they will go to some Arabs who will refuse them food and will then be wiped out? How will they be wiped out? Which Arabs will they go to? The Saudi family? There are millions upon millions of Arabs in the world, all around the world. Which Arabs will they wipe out? They will go to a handful of Arabs, and this handful won't offer them food, and then they will travel around the world killing all the Arabs they can find? But wait, they'll have a Huge problem! The Mahdi is among them! And - oh no... - what is he? An Arab... So they will have to start with him first, isn't it? Who is more of an Arab than him?
What language are the "Words of Allaah" in? Arabic.
You have some huge misunderstanding. This, that we have, is the Qur'aan. There is no "other" Qur'aan that is in some other language. That is a Kufr belief. A Shi`a belief. That is not the belief of Ahlus Sunnah wal-Jamaa`ah. The Qur'aan is the Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa and it is in only one language, and that is Arabic. Jibreel عليه السلام conveyed the Speech of Allaah Ta`aalaa - Arabic - to Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم.
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