turkey must take the prize for the most militant secularism in the world.
How dare you not love Atatürk?!
Saturday, June 14, 2008
Love cannot be imposed. If you want all citizens to appreciate Atatürk as The Father of All Turks, then you should make him the symbol of freedom and justice for all
Mustafa AKYOL
The ultra-secular camp in Turkey has just found a new reason to bolster its campaign of fear. Two young ladies wearing the much-hated Islamic headscarf showed up on a TV program, and one of them declared, “I don’t like Atatürk.” The other even said she rather has sympathy for Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader of the Iranian revolution. And hell broke loose.
No, it is not just the secularist media that unleashed its wrath on these ladies, namely Nuray Bezirgan and Kevser Çakır. The prosecutors have also caught on. The other day, an Istanbul prosecutor announced that an investigation has been launched in order to file a case against these university students for violating the “Law on Crimes Against Atatürk.” If they get penalized for this “felony,” then it will mean that the level of our official thought control has been raised from orange to red. Every Turkish citizen will have to love the Eternal Leader in order to avoid jail.
Not suppressed enough?:
I think the more reasonable secularists will tell you that it will be wrong to prosecute Ms. Bezirgan and Ms. Çakır because of their remarks. Yet, they are arguing that such outrageous ideas show the severity of the “Islamic threat” to the Turkish Republic. They also say that the establishment is right in its authoritarian ways to contain religious practice. “You see,” they reason, “what will happen if we don’t sufficiently suppress these religious bigots.”
Well, could the problem rather be that those “religious bigots” have been suppressed too much?
Let’s just get back to the TV show in question to get some insight. It was journalist Fatih Altaylı who hosted Ms. Bezirgan and Ms. Çakır, who are both university students who wear the headscarf (at least outside the campus). At some point in the show, Mr. Altaylı asked them about Khomeini. Ms. Çakır said she “liked” the late Ayatollah because “he was a Muslim.” Yet when Mr. Altaylı asked them about the current regime in Iran, which is obviously suppressive, both students noted that they don’t approve of it.
The real shocking news came a minute later. Mr. Altaylı asked, “So what about Atatürk, do you love him as well?” Ms. Bezirgan responded first by asking, “Do I have the right not to love him?” And she added, “If yes, then I don’t love him.” Then she said why:
“If people are persecuting me in the name of Atatürk, you can’t expect me to love him.”
When, in return, Mr. Altaylı noted, “Atatürk fought against invasion and saved us from the British yoke,” the young lady gave a very interesting reply. “If the British were here, I actually would have much broader rights,” she said. “That’s the whole point.”
And then she further explained what her problem was with the Kemalist system in Turkey:
“A party which will defend my ideas cannot be found in Turkey. It will be banned. Yes, if any party dares to defend my view, it will be closed down… Muslims work day and night in this country in order to get their rights. Then when Parliament gives them a little right, someone comes and takes those freedoms away from us in the name of Atatürk, or the Republic.”
“What I want,” she finally said, “is a system in which I am totally free, in which my rights and freedoms are not suppressed.”
Thus, fellow columnist Yusuf Kanlı was right yesterday to point out that these ladies “want to wear Islamist attire everywhere, including state offices!” In other words, they want full equal citizenship. What a big heresy for our Republic, which openly favors secular citizens over observant ones...
“The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs is afflicted, the whole body responds to it with sleeplessness and fever”.
lol i think i should make my new youtube video to insult ataturk, become public enemy number 1 in turkey and get youtube closed there. muahahaha.........maybe i will who knows.
“The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs is afflicted, the whole body responds to it with sleeplessness and fever”.
lol i think i should make my new youtube video to insult ataturk, become public enemy number 1 in turkey and get youtube closed there. muahahaha.........maybe i will who knows.
ataturk is dead and rotten. the problem is turkey's militant secularism. there is a legal move underway to unseat the present elected government for (are you ready?) "islamist tendencies". (!!!) this is largely because the gov't tried to remove the headscarf ban - (which was re-instated by the courts).
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours.. You the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now living in our bosom and are in peace. Having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
ataturk is dead and rotten. the problem is turkey's militant secularism. there is a legal move underway to unseat the present elected government for (are you ready?) "islamist tendencies". (!!!) this is largely because the gov't tried to remove the headscarf ban - (which was re-instated by the courts).
if i made the video it wouldnt be personal against ataturk, it would be more to p!$$ the extreme secular establishment off i like controversy and this would be one of the best, make an entire countries goverment against you i shall ponder over it.
for those who want to know more about ataturk, here is a very brief article. (really hard to find anything brief!) http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/histori...rk_kemal.shtml
for those really interested, i suggest you do further reading. his is a very major figure in modern history.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
ataturk is dead and rotten. the problem is turkey's militant secularism. there is a legal move underway to unseat the present elected government for (are you ready?) "islamist tendencies". (!!!) this is largely because the gov't tried to remove the headscarf ban - (which was re-instated by the courts).
I wonder if you are so critical about ACLU in your own country Snakelegs.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
He was a very handsome man, Atatürk.
If I remember correctly, it was not Atatürk who banned headscarves from public places, I'm not sure.. Don't care about him that much. I hear more of Tita (as I'm an ex-Yugoslavian).
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I wonder if you are so critical about ACLU in your own country Snakelegs.
edit: Oh, checked! Thanks, brother Aaron.
Last edited by Al-Zaara; 06-24-2008 at 09:42 PM.
“If only I had checked myself”
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Guy who wrecked himself
True leaders don't create followers...
.... They create new leaders.
I didnt want To say Anything But I just Say it , first Of all Sister Al-Zaara Did You Just Say Goodlooking , Oke :X
Second Of All I am Totally Against This Man , he has Changed The Beautiful Country Turkey In to An Nationalistic Secular System And Brainwashed Millions Of people With his Speech Including The Military .
And That They Changed Arabic To Latin Alphabet And That We Cant Read The Qu'ran because of that Proves Alot.
anyway I hope That Turkey changes to What it Was; The Ottoman Empire Insha'Allah
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
Guven, Ataturk isnt my favourite hero,also Turkey doesnt stick in my mind for 24 hours per day, but we shouldnt forget that he didnt destroy Ottoman Empire. At the start of XX century that empire was in miserable state, loosing every war, and risking the becoming a puppet in the hands of western powers. The destruction of Ottoman Empire didnt begin with Ataturk's born but it started long ago in XVIII century. Since then Turkey was called an "Ill man of Europe".
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
Guven, Ataturk isnt my favourite hero,also Turkey doesnt stick in my mind for 24 hours per day, but we shouldnt forget that he didnt destroy Ottoman Empire. At the start of XX century that empire was in miserable state, loosing every war, and risking the becoming a puppet in the hands of western powers. The destruction of Ottoman Empire didnt begin with Ataturk's born but it started long ago in XVIII century. Since then Turkey was called an "Ill man of Europe".
It Was also Nationalism That Destroyed The Ottomans From The Inside And With Him The Nationalism In Turkey Is Complete , He Couldve Handled Differently
And People Admire and Worship Him , I cant Accept That
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
It Was also Nationalism That Destroyed The Ottomans From The Inside And With Him The Nationalism In Turkey Is Complete , He Couldve Handled Differently
And People Admire and Worship Him , I cant Accept That
Did the nationalism also caused Turkey's technological,scientifical. cultural and military backwardness in comparission to Europe these times?
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
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i like controversy and this would be one of the best,
make an entire countries goverment against you
i shall ponder over it.
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