Silence is Consent. If you don't speak up you accept what is happening.
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Silence is Consent. If you don't speak up you accept what is happening.
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Last edited by islamirama; 12-30-2008 at 05:03 PM.
Many of the 'Muslim' rulers are not, and have not been running by the law of Islam. They do what's in their best interests, just as Mahmoud Abbas blames hamas for the current war between Israel and Palestine, which no sound minded person - let alone the leader of Palestine - will say or at least not during the war itself.format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Palestine/Israel rightfully belongs to the Muslims and Jerusalem is considered as the Holy Land and this is clear in the minds of the muslims who know their religion. Frequent raids, harasments, harm and oppression is carried out in the west bank by the Israeli soldiers and their silence has been loss. Hamas chooses to stand up and fight against the oppressors - who receive treatment which is no different then in the west bank -, but their own 'leader' critises them for trying to take back what belongs to them.
What does this tell you?
Are the leaders really elected by the people, or by western governments who have the power and authority to so, secretly? Are they really looking out for their people or are they looking out for their own pocket? Hamas was elected by the people, and look how staunchly the west opposes them!
Look what the BBC have said about Mahmoud Abbas:
You yourself question Yasser Arafat, what makes you think he is any different from Mahmoud Abbas?He was also the man favoured by the international community and Israel to succeed Arafat.
Their agenda is almost unknown, but it certainly isn't for the benefit for the Muslims/Palestinians.
Last edited by 'Abd-al Latif; 01-06-2009 at 09:01 AM.
I'm against Hamas when they kill civilians, because as a Muslim, I am not allowed to support that. But these are consequences of Israeli oppression. How can you ignore what Israel has been doing to those people? This is something I will never understand. Treat them like humans first.format_quote Originally Posted by rachamim
ina ma'al usri yusra wa ina ma'al usri yusra. after hardship there will be ease. im pretty sure following this whole war more and more correctly guided leaderships will emerge like hamas. long live hamas and i hope allah grants them victory over the zionist filth. isreal has just created even more trouble and conflict for itself. even if they erradicate hamas which inshallah wont happen its just a matter of time before another group comes out fueled by the rage and anger at the attrocities the palastenians have been suffering for 60 years now
Are you kidding me? Palestinians have been living in prison in poverty while being oppressed and bombed for decades! Israel controls and boycots their territory, cutting them off from the rest of the world. You really don't know what's going on there do you.format_quote Originally Posted by rachamim
Hamas can't be neutralised, don't be silly...format_quote Originally Posted by rachamim
Neither can be Israel yet they're still rocketing it and making it worse for themselves. Why?format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon
This is clearly written by pro-Israelis, or ignorant people. I remember reading the other side's story; they were right NOT to accept this agreement, since this agreement was a joke. If I can find that article, I will post it for you. Palestinians are not as stupid as people think.format_quote Originally Posted by Thinker
Because there is nothing else that they could do, they are the dominated, the oppressed. As I said, I'm against and will always oppose the killings of civilians anywhere in the world. Any Muslim supporting the killings of innocent people goes against God's clear commands. But the people of Gaza are being oppressed very inhumanely, and nobody helps them. This is to be expected. What Israel is and has been doing is worse than what Hamas is doing.format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu
...Source...Israel has confirmed that three of its soldiers were accidentally killed by their own side in northern Gaza.
The soldiers from the elite Golani Brigade were hit by shellfire from an Israeli tank and a number of other soldiers were wounded....
....An Israeli army spokesman said three soldiers were killed and three were severely wounded when a tank shell hit a "structure" where the soldiers were located.
"Twenty additional soldiers were lightly to moderately wounded in the same incident," he added.
FiAmaaniAllah
AsSalamOAlaikum WaRehmatuAllah WaBarkatuhu
...Source...Al-Wafaa Hospital for Disabled has already received a warning from the Israeli military to evacuate before an imminent air strike.
"They warned us to evacuate but where would we go with all the patients, and why?" asked Mohamed Abu-Ryiala, the director of the hospital's boarding facility.
"This is insane. Are the disabled poses a threat to Israel now?"
FiAmaaniAllah
Last edited by Najm; 01-06-2009 at 02:26 AM.
I'm surprised they haven't used a nuke yet.. It seems their intentions are to not only kill as much as they can but to flatten all of Gaza out.
5 jan 08
Gaza battle intensifies
Heavy fighting has erupted in and around the Gaza City with Hamas fighters putting up a stiff resistance to advancing Israeli ground forces.
Large explosions and intense gun battles were reported from the Shejaiya neighbourhood late on Monday.
Flares lit up the skies as Israeli helicopter gunships and fighter jets flew low over the the city.
A spokesman of the Al-Quds Brigades, the military wing of the Islamic Jihad movement, told Al Jazeera that Israeli tanks were trying to move into Gaza City.
He said that the group's fighters had destroyed an Israeli armoured personnel carrier in the clashes.
Al Jazeera's Alan Fisher, reporting from the Israel-Gaza border, said Israeli sources were telling local media that a major battle was taking place on the outksirts of Gaza City.
Fierce fighting between Israeli troops and Palestinian fighters was also reported in eastern Jabliya in the northern Gaza Strip.
'Everywhere bombed'
"All of Gaza is dark except for the flares fired by F-16s and Apaches [helicopter gunships]. The F-16s for the first time are flying very low and shooting missiles everywhere," Moussa el-Hadda, a retired doctor in the Gaza Strip, said.
"Nobody can leave their home, we have no shelters and Israel knows this. They just bombed everywhere and most of their bombs are hitting houses," he told Al Jazeera.
Earlier, Ehud Barak, the Israeli defence minister, told members of parliament that Gaza City was partially surrounded.
"We have hit Hamas hard, but we have not yet reached all the goals that we have set for ourselves," he said.
But despite 10 days of constant bombardment of the Gaza Strip by the Israeli military, causing the deaths of more than 540 Palestinians, a senior Hamas official said on Monday that "victory is coming" for Palestinian fighters.
Mahmoud al-Zahar said that the movement's armed wing had "given the most beautiful performances during its confrontation with the army that the world thought invincible".
"We will defeat it, God willing," he said.
Israeli officials say the assault on Gaza is aimed at stopping Hamas firing rockets into southern Israel.
Al-Zahar warned that Israel's war on Gaza had opened it up to retribution by Palestinian fighters.
"They have legitimised the murder of their own children by killing the children of Palestine," he said.
"They have legitimised the destruction of their synagogues and their schools by hitting our mosques and our schools."
Rocket attacks
Palestinian fighters have continued to fire rockets into southern Israel despite the Israeli military operation.
But Major Avital Leibovitch, an Israeli military spokeswoman, told Al Jazeera that the cross-border attacks were being slowed.
"Those rockets are coming less and less, because today we have had approximately 20 launchings which is one-tenth of Hamas's original launching capabilities ... there are signs that Hamas is weakening," she said.
"The second stage of the operation is going as planned, we have a variety of forces joining in this and it is proceeding according to the plan."
Abu Obeida, the spokesman for Hamas's Izz-e-din Al-Qassam Brigades, warned the Israeli military that it had many fighters ready to face it in the Gaza Strip.
"We have prepared thousands of brave fighters who are waiting for you in each corner of the street and will welcome you with fire and iron," he said.
"As long as the aggression intensifies, your losses will increase and you will sink further into the Gaza quagmire."
Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
Kavkaz Center
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This is the only voice that will be heard, if they were stopping my children from eating and being clean and warm I pray to God I would have strength enough to cut throats also. This is fascist oppression at its ugliest why sgould Palestinians not fight backformat_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
They were much better off when they were trying to achieve peace, their voices were heard, the borders were open. then they started fighting and it got worse.format_quote Originally Posted by TKTony
^^^^should just clarify I dont think civilians should be targets, but Hamas are not targetting civilians either. Israel want Gaza by any means, how many new borns have to die at their greedy hands. GO Hamas
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/...-UN-School.phpThe United Nations says three Palestinians were killed in an Israeli airstrike at a UN school.
U.N. official Adnan Abu Hasna says the three men were among hundreds of Gazans who had sought refuge at the school in the Shati refugee camp next to Gaza City.
He says the airstrike targeted the men late Monday night as they left the area of the school's restrooms. Abu Hasna says the strike took place inside school grounds.
Over 500 people, including more than 100 civilians have been killed in Israel's 11-day ground and air operation in Gaza, meant to crush militant group Hamas.
U.N. officials say they provided their location coordinates to Israel's army to ensure that their buildings in Gaza are not targeted.
Lol...:rolleyes:
They don't intend to occupy the strip.format_quote Originally Posted by TKTony
Who says what they want ? When they have wiped everyone out they are not going to leave it emptyformat_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
A little girl from Gaza describes her experience living through the siege. (it's in arabic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw5wi...eature=related
So eloquent, mashallah..
Yes they do and they have. Even if Israeli soldiers are not physically present in Gaza Israel's blockade constitutes an occupation under the Geneva Convention. So unless Israel suddenly has decided to abandon their draconian blockade and obey the rules of law (why would they with almost total US sanction and protection?) they have occupied the territory, are occupying it, and will occupy it in the near future.format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
They don't have to have soldiers in the strip to occupy it. Additionally as an occupying force they have unique responsibilities which they have, needless to say, failed to live up to. I don’t think they want the occupied territories per se they just want control of the water and all economically viable land.format_quote Originally Posted by TKTony
But then ago this is Israel. Seriously, if it weren’t for US protection does anyone doubt they'd have been labeled a rogue regime years ago by the UN?
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