The Muslim population in Britain has grown by more than 500,000 to 2.4 million in just four years, according to official research collated for The Times.
The population multiplied 10 times faster than the rest of society, the research by the Office for National Statistics reveals. In the same period the number of Christians in the country fell by more than 2 million.
Experts said that the increase was attributable to immigration, a higher birthrate and conversions to Islam during the period of 2004-2008, when the data was gathered. They said that it also suggested a growing willingness among believers to describe themselves as Muslims because the western reaction to war and terrorism had strengthened their sense of identity.
Muslim leaders have welcomed the growing population of their communities as academics highlighted the implications for British society, integration and government resources.
David Coleman, Professor of Demography at Oxford University, said: “The implications are very substantial. Some of the Muslim population, by no means all of them, are the least socially and economically integrated of any in the United Kingdom ... and the one most associated with political dissatisfaction. You can't assume that just because the numbers are increasing that all will increase, but it will be one of several reasonable suppositions that might arise.”
Professor Coleman said that Muslims would naturally reap collective benefits from the increase in population. “In the growth of any population ... [its] voice is regarded as being stronger in terms of formulating policy, not least because we live in a democracy where most people in most religious groups and most racial groups have votes. That necessarily means their opinions have to be taken and attention to be paid to them.”
There are more than 42.6 million Christians in Britain, according to the Office for National Statistics, whose figures were obtained through the quarterly Labour Force Survey of around 53,000 homes. But while the biggest Christian population is among over-70s bracket, for Muslims it is the under-4s.
Ceri Peach, Professor of Social Geography at Manchester University, said that the rapid growth of the Muslim population posed challenges for society. “The groups with the strongest belief in the family and cohesion are those such as the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. They have got extremely strong family values but it goes together with the sort of honour society and other kinds of attributes which people object to,” he said. “So you are dealing with a pretty complex situation.”
Professor Peach said that the high number of Muslims under the age of 4 — 301,000 as of September last year — would benefit Britain's future labour market through taxes that would subsequently contribute to sustaining the country's ageing population. He added, though, that it would also put pressure on housing and create a growing demand for schools. “I think housing has traditionally been a difficulty because the country is simultaneously short of labour and short of housing. So if you get people to fill vacancies in your labour force you also need to find places for them to live,” he said.
Muhammad Abdul Bari, general secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain, predicted that the number of mosques in Britain would multiply from the present 1,600 in line with the rising Islamic population. He said the greater platform that Muslims would command in the future should not be perceived as a threat to the rest of society.
“We each have our own set of beliefs. This should really be a source of celebration rather than fear as long as we all clearly understand that we must abide by the laws of this country regardless of the faith we belong to,” he said.
The Cohesion Minister, Sadiq Khan, told The Times: “We in central Government and local authorities need to continue our work to ensure that our communities are as integrated and cohesive as possible.”
This contradicts itself. In liberal democracy, You cant persecute anyone based on religion/race/skin colour. In liberal democracy You cant forbid gays to adopt children, as well as You cant forbid a muslim to be a prime minister who then opens the gates to immigrants. Actually in liberal democracy, Your words about limitting the number of muslims to Europe are unaccaptable. This is the language of Jorg Heider, language of fascism. In liberal democracy such issues like the ethnic or religious features are unacceptable. This is the strict following of "Freedom,Equality,Brotherhood". At last in liberal democracy it doesnt matter if a country Slovakia is inhabited by 3 millions of sympathic Pakistanis. Any words warning against it are undemocratic, they are fascist. This is the legacy of "Liberté - Egalité - Fraternité". That is why this girl supports this rule in France, although that in Morocco she would treat it as Kufr idea.[
the real problem is this - in a liberal democracy its a free choice to live your life the way you want - why are other majority groups not increasing so much - its a failure on your own parts - if you want to sustain your idea you have to make comprimises - the Question is can you give up some things up to keep your views and ideas sustained or do they want to live your hednostic lifestyle? many people dont want to give up there hednositc lifestyle - i find it higly ironic realy - and they complain?
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
the only difference is, that Jews view God as solely theirs, whilst the gentiles can go wherever, it doesn't matter.. but God isn't exclusive to a 'chosen few', hence though amongst themselves they have quite a large off spring population, they remain homogeneous amongst themselves and not let in outsiders, makes them unsuccessful as well in the scheme of the bigger picture..
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Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Gossamer skye
The core of secularism:
advocates freedoms as such it is beginning to backfire on them...
to be homosexual, to sleep around and not commit to a woman, to drink alcohol, to have children via insemination if at all.. none of these foster a family unit.. I bring up alcohol amongst others because it can lower sperm count. Actually each thing I have mentioned up which goes against Islamic principles also thwarts their own effort at a homogeneous Europe but they are not realizing that they are in fact bringing it upon themselves but desire a scapegoat in the form of 'Muslims' for it is easier to blame their own failures than own up to them!
salaam
exactly - its easy to blame the "immigarants" or the muslims like the BNP but the real fact is that in a liberal democracy its a free choice to live your life the way you want - these people are worried because of there own failures. All the hednostic lifestyle is backfiring as you said.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
salaam
exactly - its easy to blame the "immigarants" or the muslims like the BNP but the real fact is that in a liberal democracy its a free choice to live your life the way you want - these people are worried because of there own failures. All the hednostic lifestyle is backfiring as you said.
Yes, you can, that's why we can't limit people already here, but the liberal demcoracy dosn't prevent stopping new ones cooming in.
It's true, Europans don't have enough babies, and there's not gionna be a rapid increase in birth rates any time soon, so the only way to protect Europe and its hedonistic lifesytle is taking it up to the immigrants who threaten to overtake the continent.
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
somali mothers probably 20 times more
But the average Muslim birth rates in Europe aren't that higher than those of the nativ population and they're slowly decreasing. Muslims too are not immune to the effects of secularism and the economic standards.
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
immigrants who threaten to overtake the continent.
haha looks like that bothers you quite a bit, no ones making any threats and who knows it might just come about naturally with the people already here, then what?
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Yes, you can, that's why we can't limit people already here, but the liberal demcoracy dosn't prevent stopping new ones cooming in.
It's true, Europans don't have enough babies, and there's not gionna be a rapid increase in birth rates any time soon, so the only way to protect Europe and its hedonistic lifesytle is taking it up to the immigrants who threaten to overtake the continent.
hedonism isn't the norm so of course it will be over taken..
you don't pig out everyday and decide for healthy food on Saturday and expect that, that should keep you safe from harm..
you don't smoke all your life and quit after you end up with small cell ca. and expect that now quitting will reverse the situation.
If you choose Hedonism for a life style, porn, alcohol, homosexuality and BCP then you'll become extinct, it is your own doing..
what is this interesting philosophy of yours?, if I am going to go down, I'll take everyone else with me?
I am afraid it doesn't work that way-- perhaps a shift in gears and a change in priorities might salvage Europe, but then they'll have to become that which they so despise!
all the best
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Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by KAding
I'll be honest, I'm not thrilled by such news.
To be honest, I can't see why you'd feel that way. As you recognise later in that same post, religious adherence is memetic, not genetic. Birth rates are therefore fallacious to be either disappointed or thrilled about in this context.
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
But the average Muslim birth rates in Europe aren't that higher than those of the nativ population and they're slowly decreasing. Muslims too are not immune to the effects of secularism and the economic standards.
maybe, but you don't know about our somali brothers theres new ones being born everyday, I reckon at this rate there'll be more somali muslims in this country than pakistani muslims in a few years.
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
But the average Muslim birth rates in Europe aren't that higher than those of the nativ population and they're slowly decreasing. Muslims too are not immune to the effects of secularism and the economic standards.
well why are you not producing that many children??? are you not to blame for that??? are you willing make sacrifices like the somlia mother has?
edit - The birth rates of muslims is higher watch the video below.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
But the average Muslim birth rates in Europe aren't that higher than those of the nativ population and they're slowly decreasing. Muslims too are not immune to the effects of secularism and the economic standards.
actually according to this vid. courtesy of Clover it is higher....
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
haha looks like that bothers you quite a bit, no ones making any threats and who knows it might just come about naturally with the people already here, then what?
Then it will be our own fault for not stopping immigration in time.
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
It is higher, though this vido is exagerated.
how is it exaggerated??? whats your prrof on that
1 - the article
2 - the video
show higher birth rates of muslims - why arnt other populations doing the same? can they not make sacrifices? immigrants is a scape goat for peoples own failures.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
well why are you not producing that many children??? are you not to blame for that??? are you willing make sacrifices like the somlia mother has?
edit - The birth rates of muslims is higher watch the video below.
As much as we can't force the somalian immigrant to have less children, we can't force natives to have more.
The only legal way to decrease the Muslim growth in europe is and end to Muslim immigration.
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
As much as we can't force the somalian immigrant to have less children, we can't force natives to have more.
The only legal way to decrease the Muslim growth in europe is and end to Muslim immigration.
how when the Muslims population of europe NOT immigrants are producing the children. reducing immigertaion does nothing whats so ever. Maybe the non muslims need to produce more children and give up there hednostic lifestyle and take some sacrifices - which is what life has always been about - if people are not doing it - then why compalin? is there own fault.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
how is it exaggerated??? whats your prrof on that
1 - the article
2 - the video
show higher birth rates of muslims - why arnt other populations doing the same? can they not make sacrifices? immigrants is a scape goat for peoples own failures.
It is higher but not as much as the video claims and the video doesn't say that with firther gnerations of immigrants birth rates decrease, mostly due to the fact that they achieve an economic status their parents and grandparents did not have.
I wouldn't call it a failure, its a different culture and lifestyle, luckily many people now see how massive immigration may ruin it all, so they're limiting it.
Re: Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society'
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
It is higher but not as much as the video claims and the video doesn't say that with firther gnerations of immigrants birth rates decrease, mostly due to the fact that they achieve an economic status their parents and grandparents did not have.
I wouldn't call it a failure, its a different culture and lifestyle, luckily many people now see how massive immigration may ruin it all, so they're limiting it.
again this preety much "hypothetical" right? because the article shows that the birth increase is the real problem from european muslims rather then immigeration.
how when the Muslims population of europe NOT immigrants are producing the children. reducing immigertaion does nothing whats so ever. Maybe the non muslims need to produce more children and give up there hednostic lifestyle and take some sacrifices - which is what life has always been about - if people are not doing it - then why compalin? is there own fault.
The real problem is the failure of there own part.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
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