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    Israel must withdraw from Arab Lands (OP)


    Saudi Arabia will not recognise Israel until it withdraws from occupied Arab land and makes committed steps toward a lasting two-state solution, a senior official said on Wednesday.

    Foreign ministry spokesman Osama Nugali also called Israeli policy “schizophrenic” and said it was jeopardising attempts to revive Middle East peace talks aimed at creating an independent Palestinian state. “Our position is well known. It is Israel that has to move seriously towards the peace process,” Nugali said.

    “As we all know, Israel is continuing to take unilateral measures by changing the geographic and demographic facts on the ground, by building settlements and expanding the existing ones," he said. “The Arab peace initiative is very clear,” he said, referring to a 2002 Saudi-inspired Middle East peace blueprint.

    That Israel should withdraw from the Arab lands and put an end to its occupation and resolve the major issues of the conflict,” he said, citing the future of Palestinian refugees, water-sharing issues, and the future status of Jerusalem as a capital for both states.

    Such issues must be resolved "in order to achieve a permanent, just and lasting peace which is based on the establishment of an independent contiguous and viable Palestinian state," Nugali said.

    "In the Arab peace process normalisation comes after achieving these goals, not before it. So we should not put the cart before the horse."

    US Middle East peace envoy George Mitchell on Tuesday called on Arab states to take "meaningful steps" towards Israel to help open talks on a comprehensive regional peace settlement, saying that eventually they should fully normalise relations with the Jewish state.

    In addition, several US legislators have drafted a letter to Saudi King Abdullah calling on him to make a "dramatic gesture" towards Israel similar to ground-breaking overtures that ultimately led to peace with Egypt and Jordan. But the Saudis maintain that those overtures have not brought progress toward creating a Palestinian state.

    Nugali said Israeli colony expansion in the occupied West Bank continues to prevent any progress, and the Palestinians have refused to restart negotiations until Israel freezes construction.

    But Israel has rejected calls by the US administration to halt colonizing activity, leading to the worst public rift between the two close allies in years.

    "We have been seeing a schizophrenic Israeli policy. On one hand you talk about peace and their interest to achieve peace," he said.

    "On the other hand they take actions against the peace process that complicate it and put it in jeopardy."

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    Re: Israel must withdraw from Arab Lands

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    another quick note: about the alleged christians in the region. In the time preceding Islam the region was thoroughly antagonistic to any religious reformation. For centuries the cult of pagan worship was set in the face of Jewish settlements and foreign attempts of evangelization. William Muir argued that the Jewish presence deterred from evangelization in two ways, by establishing itself in the north and the pagan stronghold in the south.

    The true fact is christianity of the 7th century was itself mired in corruption and myth and in a state of complete stagnation. Formally submitting the region to christianity would have required more than religious persuasion but political coercion of superior powers and no such power bore down on the region. Five centuries of Christian evangelism had bore down a meager results and were limited to Banu Harith of Najran and Banu hanifah of yamama. No historical record do not show a single incident of persecution toward the christians.

    Again, I am at a loss as to where she gets her info from, for even the orientalists and staunch anti Muslims seem to have a completely opposing views to hers.
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    on a completely separate and unrelated note, her views on Medical Euthanasia were incredibly erroneous, Medicine is a separate field from politics, and she couldn't make cohesive sense of what she was saying in reconciliation with medical ethics , would have in fact gotten away with it to if people didn't actually understand the meaning of advance directive and end of life care. Here is a woman who thinks the medical profession is meant to put people to death because that would be oh so humane.. she doesn't know the first thing about medical ethics yet dispenses opinion left and right, try to parallel that to her views on politics.

    Being skewed on that end should really have been a telling presentation of things to come.

    When it comes to history or science try to present things factually. As the saying goes opinions are like assholes every one has one there is no reason to actually be one!...

    If I were interested in mere opinions then one is as good as the next.. we should however be weary of the information we push out as facts. I noticed that none of her comments here were backed from any source trusted or untrusted. Perhaps that form of hate blogging is popular where she comes from. But this forum has standards. At least I hope so, if it has a desire for longevity and decent members!
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    Re: Israel must withdraw from Arab Lands

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    Undeserved. Right or wrong she was a lot more patient, respectful and polite in presenting her views than certain people still here. Not impressed. Sorry, but



    was spot on.
    WRONG. She was insulting too! Not just here but wherever she walks in with her dirty shoes. Question is, did you bother to notice? She felt it was oh so totally like "awesome" to lie and lie! BAN is perfect. Insulting and lying through her dirty teeth. Good job.
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    Re: Israel must withdraw from Arab Lands

    format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble View Post
    Undeserved. Right or wrong she was a lot more patient, respectful and polite in presenting her views than certain people still here. Not impressed. Sorry, but



    was spot on.
    Mindless missionaries need to be perma banned. Her BS was the same exact BS you'd see on answering Islam which has been refuted enough times without us doing it over. To respond to it again would encourage nonsense like that to be spread.

    No brain = no account

    If she's going to be retarded she should cover it up like certain other people here are adept at doing.
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    Re: Israel must withdraw from Arab Lands


    Oooooooooooo kay. Let's try to get back on topic shall we; any further posts that are not will be deleted.

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