the only thing i disagree with is the victim mentality, now no doubt the Muslims were victims, but we shouldnt act weak and scared, rather we should stand up to these thugs, thats my personal view anyway, if me and my friends came across thugs like this oh how much fun we would have.
dont forget what happened in harrow and birmingham, thats the REALITY of what happens when you stand up to these weak thugs, them running with their tails between their legs.
Thanks for posting this bro. I haven't came across this...
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
the only thing i disagree with is the victim mentality, now no doubt the Muslims were victims, but we shouldnt act weak and scared, rather we should stand up to these thugs, thats my personal view anyway, if me and my friends came across thugs like this oh how much fun we would have.
dont forget what happened in harrow and birmingham, thats the REALITY of what happens when you stand up to these weak thugs, them running with their tails between their legs.
Saw that program. Man I always get angry when the victims don't do anything - so many times during the program I was saying: shoulda smacked that punk; shoulda said something witty etc etc.
But I had a talk with my parents about it who where watching it with me and tbh they were right to not fight (they most likely would have got killed doing that or ironically got arrested...). Though, I did find it a bit stupid for them to intentionally walk towards the thugs they KNEW were racist (at the end, they could have just walked on the other side of the road, but I guess the point of the program was to show you how bad racism can get)
Still, I think I'll look into Muay Thai or TKD (I think the former is illegal in this country) as a form of stress relief and self-defence. Just in case.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
it is true that you shouldnt always react, and sometimes just walk away, as the prophet even taught. but when it keeps happening, and the situation gets worst, then sometimes you have to take action in SELF DEFENSE, because thats the only language these thugs understand, once you give them a good beating and stand up for yourself you will watch them running.
in that documentary they played a video clip of three racists attacking 2 store owners, and what happened? the store owners put up a very weak resistence because they were smaller, outnumbered, and behind a counter, but even with their limited resistence of hitting the guys with some objects they had managed to defend themselves and have the three thugs running like cowards!
I agree with that they should have acted more defensively. They could have prevented it, but its still annoying to see those thugs doing things whatever they want.
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Still, I think I'll look into Muay Thai or TKD (I think the former is illegal in this country) as a form of stress relief and self-defence. Just in case.
Muay Thai is illegal in the UK? its very much legal here in the rest of the world though.
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And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
Still, I think I'll look into Muay Thai or TKD (I think the former is illegal in this country) as a form of stress relief and self-defence. Just in case.
Muay Thai is definitely legal. But I think you need some kind of licence (or 'group membership card') to practice it.
Okay I finished watching the programme. It pissed me off.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
unite, form defence groups, and confront these ppl. the police and ppl in charge of stopping such things seem to be incapable of doing so, and they dont seem to be bothered, hence ppl must take their defence into their own hands. and not in the UK only, but all over Europe, and the U.S., its bound to happen soon.
also be more active in spreading the truth, set up conferences, websites, debates, etc etc.
and last but not least spread the word to Muslims in the Muslim world, let them know whats happening to their brothers and sisters, and then they could turn the heat up on none-Muslims living in the Muslim world and then surely it may make some ppl pay attention and end abuses of Muslims in the west.
this documentary should concern you more than me, these are your fellow people, and this is a wide trend. racist hate on Muslims is just part of it, these ppl hate everyone, blacks, browns etc etc. these are the ppl who go on to become nothing, but just cause trouble and problems for all innocent ppl, and they are a huge rising problem in England.
there are countless stories of ppl going through hell of abuse by these ppl, so you should be concerned and think of something to fix it up because if you dont its only bad for the social structure of your country in the future. even if you were to remove ALL Muslims these idiots would still be there causing trouble and doing nothing good.
unite, form defence groups, and confront these ppl. the police and ppl in charge of stopping such things seem to be incapable of doing so, and they dont seem to be bothered, hence ppl must take their defence into their own hands. and not in the UK only, but all over Europe, and the U.S., its bound to happen soon.
Oh right ok, so by doing this you'll actually cure their hatred of muslims? It will do the exact opposite as this would FUEL Islamophobia. This sort of thing is what made me anti-muslim a few years ago until I recently signed up to the forum. I despised muslims and refused to get into an "Asian" taxi opting for the white guy. This was the result of the violence I saw committed by muslims in the U.S, UK AND Christians in the middle east.
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also be more active in spreading the truth, set up conferences, websites, debates, etc etc.
Knowledge is a powerful tool... but ..
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and last but not least spread the word to Muslims in the Muslim world, let them know whats happening to their brothers and sisters, and then they could turn the heat up on none-Muslims living in the Muslim world and then surely it may make some ppl pay attention and end abuses of Muslims in the west.
If muslims then encourage fellow muslims to start giving non-muslims a hard time I myself would turn anti-muslim. Taking it out on innocent people because of a few is absolutely stupid and would swing me towards the BNP without hesitation.
and last but not least spread the word to Muslims in the Muslim world, let them know whats happening to their brothers and sisters, and then they could turn the heat up on none-Muslims living in the Muslim world and then surely it may make some ppl pay attention and end abuses of Muslims in the west.
The heat is already on Prince, since every year christians are killed for their faith in Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan and lately often in Turkey and Indonesia.
But thats nothing, since in Europe we do another Holocaust by banning burka.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
Sorry I can't watch video ....Is this the same story ?
Muslim Reporters Uncover British Racism
Going undercover as an Asian husband and wife, two British Muslim reporters have documented the scale of resurgent racism and abuse, both verbal and physical, in the British city of Bristol, filming themselves while being bullied, attacked and racially-abused.
"From the moment that my colleague Amil Khan and I drove onto the road that would become our home for the coming months, we were subjected to the coldest glare I have ever experienced," said Tamanna Rahman, a reporter of Asian origins.
Rahman and Khan, posing as an Asian husband and wife, moved on to an estate in Bristol earlier this year and used hidden cameras to record people attitude towards them.
During their eight-week stay, they recorded more than 50 separate incidents of racist attacks, both for their race and their religion.
"I haven't faced as much racism in my life as I have during these eight weeks," said Rahman.
"Over the course of our investigation I would have glass, a can, a bottle and stones thrown at me,” she added.
"On my second day on the estate I had a rock thrown towards me as I returned from a shopping trip.”
In one scene, stones are thrown at Rahman and she is told to get out of the area.
A young boy has also threatened to kill her and tried to steal her purse.
Another clips showed her being called “Raghead” and being told “Go away. Iraq’s that way.”
"I was called "Paki" and had obscenities muttered at me as I walked by."
The word "Paki" is derogatory slang for an immigrant or descendant of Pakistani background.
"I just didn't think humans could be like that," Rahman said.
Britain has a sizable Muslim minority of more than two millions, mostly of Pakistani, Bengali and Indian origins.
Hellish
Tamanna spoke about the painful adventure she had to endure in Bristol.
"Pretty much every time I left the house, and from many people I met, I would get frowns and generally be made to feel unwelcome- whether they were on the street, in their gardens, looking out of their bedroom windows or in their cars."
She said the abuse experience ranged from physical attack to muttered insults.
”I’m sorry the thing that is going to stay with me the most is the absolutely hellish time I have every time I’ve walked out of the door.”
Bristol is England's sixth and the United Kingdom's eighth most populous city.
It is the largest centre of culture, employment and education in the region.
In the 2001 Census, 60 percent of Bristol's population said they were Christian, and 25 percent stated they were not religious.
Islam accounts for 2 percent of the population and the Muslim community is served by at least three mosques.
Britain’s ethnic minorities are racked by the pain of racism with an estimated 87,000 members of ethnic minorities being a victim of racially motivated crimes.
Figures also show that ethnic minorities have the worst unemployment and housing crises in the country.
Some 70 percent of all ethnic minorities live in the 88 most deprived areas, compared to 40 percent of the general population.
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The heat is already on Prince, since every year christians are killed for their faith in Egypt, Nigeria, Sudan and lately often in Turkey and Indonesia.
But thats nothing, since in Europe we do another Holocaust by banning burka.
There are more than 10 million Christians in Egypt and Syria and Lebanon. They have been living there for thousands of years. If you compare this with European history throughout the same period, you can easily conclude who is more tolerant.
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the only thing i disagree with is the victim mentality, now no doubt the Muslims were victims, but we shouldnt act weak and scared, rather we should stand up to these thugs, thats my personal view anyway, if me and my friends came across thugs like this oh how much fun we would have.
a 30 min panaroma documentary on racism 2 Muslims encounter while staying in some estate:
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