RAFAH, Gaza Strip - Hamas police wielding clubs beat and pushed residents out of dozens of homes in the southern Gaza town of Rafah on Sunday before knocking the buildings down with bulldozers, residents said.
Gaza's militant Hamas rulers said the homes were built illegally on government land. Newly homeless residents were furious over Palestinians on bulldozers razing Palestinian homes.
For years, Palestinians have criticized Israel for destroying houses, mostly because they were built without permits issued by the military. Now, Rafah residents complained, their own government, run by the Islamic militant Hamas that seized power in Gaza in July 2007, has done the same.
This is the same thing that Israel did when homes weren't built with a permit!
I thought them jooz were starving the palestinians to death
:crickey: I live in the free west, and I cannot afford such luxury, and I have a job
Them Jooz are not just starving them to death but they are also preventing basic supplies to enter Ghazza.
"Gaza blockade threatens health of 1.4 million, aid agencies warn"
Israeli and Egyptian blockade means nearly one-fifth of requests to leave for treatment are refused or delayed, report says.
The health of 1.4 million people is being put at risk by the ongoing Israeli and Egyptian blockade of Gaza, a report by more than 80 humanitarian organisations warned today.
The aid groups, including the World Health Organisation and UN agencies, said more than one-fifth of sick Palestinians who needed to leave the territory for treatment in Israel had either been refused or had their applications delayed. The groups called on Israel and Egypt to open the border crossings with Gaza.
Max Gaylard, the UN humanitarian co-ordinator for the Palestinian territories, said the blockade undermined the local healthcare system and put lives at risk.
"It is causing ongoing deterioration in the social, economic and environmental determinants of health," he said.
"It is hampering the provision of medical supplies and the training of health staff, and it is preventing patients with serious medical conditions from getting timely specialised treatment."
The agencies highlighted the case of a student, Fidaa Hijji, who died of cancer while waiting for Israeli permission to go to hospital for a bone marrow operation.
Repeated applications to cross the border were ignored even though Hijji, who was 18 when her cancer was diagnosed in 2007, had confirmed medical appointments.
Permission for her entry to Israel was finally given a day after she died last month.
Israel generally permits supplies of drugs into Gaza, but not always of enough to prevent shortages. Certain medical equipment, such as x-ray and electronic devices, is difficult to bring in and clinical staff frequently lack equipment they need, the UN said.
The blockade was imposed after Hamas militants seized control of Gaza in 2007.
Health professionals in Gaza have been cut off from the outside world, with few doctors, nurses or technicians able to leave for the training necessary to update their clinical skills or learn about new medical technology during the past decade, the agencies said.
Many specialised treatments, such as heart surgery and some cancer treatments, are unavailable in Gaza.
"An effective healthcare system cannot be sustained in isolation from the international community," Tony Laurance, the WHO head in the West Bank and Gaza, said.
"Open borders are needed to ensure the health of the 1.4 million people in Gaza."
WHO figures indicate that 21% of the 1,103 applications last month to travel to Israel for hospital appointments were denied or delayed.
Twenty-nine patients died last year awaiting referral, down from 46 in 2008.
An Israeli spokesman said approvals had increased by 25% since 2008.
"Not only are we doing our utmost to allow the people of Gaza every possible medical treatment, but we are doing this in a situation in which their own government is imposing a state of war and trying deliberately to harm Israelis, including those whose mission is to assist the very people of Gaza," Yigal Palmor, a spokesman for Israel's foreign ministry, said.
is palestine press controlled by the zionists too?
I specifically said Al Jazeera News. If they don't have the scoop, and other channels do, then know that those channels are full of **** (excuse my Hebrew).
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This isn't really surprising news- Hamas is hardly reknowned for its stellar treatment of the people it governs.
Which group defended Gaza from the cursed Zionists during the bombing and, later on, attack that happened in early 2009?
Maybe Hamas is a little strict, but it still is the ONLY defender of Gaza, so it's better than no protection at all, no?
Because they were not the topic of the thread. Surely the whole point of this one is that the actions of Hamas here are particularly shocking precisely because the Israelis have done similar things in the past albeit for rather different motives. Nobody is unaware of that.
Actually the thread has no point. If I live in my house, you come invading, my mother gets sick as a result of your sick actions, whilst I am renovating my kitchen, it doesn't make me the bad guy for having contractors work on my kitchen instead of spending the money on my mother because of your actions, or even make me the subject to your questioning. I am not really sure I understand the logic employed here at all if there were any at all. People are being bulldozed and killed by IDF it isn't propaganda it is clear and visible to the naked eye. Take care of that first before questioning what the indigenous population is doing with its money or at all.. that is if I actually accept the premise here which I don't..
all the best
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Which group defended Gaza from the cursed Zionists during the bombing and, later on, attack that happened in early 2009?
Maybe Hamas is a little strict, but it still is the ONLY defender of Gaza, so it's better than no protection at all, no?
Hamas was the very reason for Israel's offensive in Gaza, so I should hope they would try and defend the Palestinians. Two wrongs don't make a right; just because Hamas offers the Palestinians protection, it does not give them the right to exploit and harm the very people they are charged with protecting.
Hamas was the very reason for Israel's offensive in Gaza, so I should hope they would try and defend the Palestinians. Two wrongs don't make a right; just because Hamas offers the Palestinians protection, it does not give them the right to exploit and harm the very people they are charged with protecting.
Being strict doesn't make them harmful people; I don't know why you seem to think that. Exploiting and harming Palestinians? Never heard of that happening, except from every single Zionist news channel out there.
Let's say BBC was right (I doubt it) about Hamas kicking people out of their own homes. Why would they protect the people from the Zionists, then go ahead and mess it up by taking their homes by force over a year later (or earlier, whatever)? Unless they're low on housing or something (/sarcasm), which is highly unlikely.
And finally, Hamas may have been the only viable reason for Israel's attack on Gaza, but what else could their petty resistance do? Stop shooting homemade rockets into occupied Palestine after they've been contained behind a giant wall for I-don't-know-how-many years? Even Israel said, during the Hamas rocket attack, that their (Hamas') rockets were no threat whatsoever. That shows you that Israel went ahead and bombarded Gaza, killing over a thousand people in the process, just because they were pissed-off from Hamas' nonthreatening self-defence.
Hamas was the very reason for Israel's offensive in Gaza, so I should hope they would try and defend the Palestinians. Two wrongs don't make a right; just because Hamas offers the Palestinians protection, it does not give them the right to exploit and harm the very people they are charged with protecting.
ever heard the concept of justice?
No?
I guess if you are already saved, your actions count zilch and hence no concept of justice.
Being strict doesn't make them harmful people; I don't know why you seem to think that. Exploiting and harming Palestinians? Never heard of that happening, except from every single Zionist news channel out there.
No, but taking away their homes does make them harmful people.
Let's say BBC was right (I doubt it) about Hamas kicking people out of their own homes. Why would they protect the people from the Zionists, then go ahead and mess it up by taking their homes by force over a year later (or earlier, whatever)? Unless they're low on housing or something (/sarcasm), which is highly unlikely.
Why? Why do evil people do evil things? I honestly don't know. Power, money, ignorance, ideology... the reasons differ. I don't know what the motive is in the case of Hamas.
I aint even gna bother clicking on them links as im certain all you did was a quick Google search to dig up some dirt on Hamas. I can do the same but i aint no coward, Its just too easy finding sites which are unreliable.
Hamas was the very reason for Israel's offensive in Gaza, so I should hope they would try and defend the Palestinians. Two wrongs don't make a right; just because Hamas offers the Palestinians protection, it does not give them the right to exploit and harm the very people they are charged with protecting.
Where do you get your trash from?
Israel broke the ceasefire, Hamas did not so how can you say such garbage?
Israel broke the ceasefire, Hamas did not so how can you say such garbage?
It was Hamas firing rockets persistently into Israel that the Israelis decided to respond with their offensive. That was the whole justification/excuse for the invasion.
To be honest all these neighboring “Muslim” countries are powerful enough to assist Palestinians. Help them rebuild their countries and defend themselves. But noo many of them torture Palestinians refugees and shot them when they cross the border. But who am I kidding? Have you seen Moscow prisons (including people who are innocent) and the way the treat their own people?
BBC is so “not” reliable? Why have they posted “positive news” on Muslims countries and have done countless of times and will continue to do so.
To be honest all these neighboring “Muslim” countries are powerful enough to assist Palestinians. Help them rebuild their countries and defend themselves. But no many of them torture Palestinians refugees and shot them when they cross the border. But who am I kidding? Have you seen Moscow prisons (including people who are innocent) and the way the treat their own people?
BBC is so “not” reliable? Why have they posted “positive news” on Muslims countries and have done countless of times and will continue to do so.
Anything negative about a group of Muslims = false and fake stories created by anti Islamic people. Subhanallah people here make out as if “Muslims” cannot do anything evil or there is no such thing as “bad” Muslims.
It was Hamas firing rockets persistently into Israel that the Israelis decided to respond with their offensive. That was the whole justification/excuse for the invasion.
What can i say except for you are a liar of the highest degree. You are contradicting the terrorist Israelis you support who admitted Hamas fired no rockets during the ceasefire, It was the racist regime you support who broke the ceasefire by killing innocent Palestinians, Hamas responded quite rightly.
Take a look at this video and weep. People like you make me sick.
My signature sums you up.
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What can i say except for you are a liar of the highest degree.
Oooh, OK. Insults generally don't work well in debates, and I'd strongly advise against using an ad hominem. It doesn't reflect too well on you.
You are contradicting the terrorist Israelis you support who admitted Hamas fired no rockets during the ceasefire
I never said I supported Israel, so that's a moot point. I was pointing out the justification the Israelis used for going into Gaza. I didn't comment on the justification myself. I didn't say it was right, or if it was truthful. Please refrain from jumping to conclusions. It doesn't reflect too well on you.
It was the racist regime you support who broke the ceasefire by killing innocent Palestinians, Hamas responded quite rightly.
Another moot point. One does not respond rightly to a given situation by throwing the people you should be protecting out of their homes.
Take a look at this video and weep. People like you make me sick.
I've done nothing but point out the facts of the matter. If the facts make you sick, then it is no problem of mine.
My signature sums you up.
I'm not sure how that works, either. I stand for plenty; do not make the mistake that just because I do not agree with you that I do not stand for anything. That is ignorance and bigotry, and it doesn't reflect too well on you.
Oooh, OK. Insults generally don't work well in debates, and I'd strongly advise against using an ad hominem. It doesn't reflect too well on you.
I never said I supported Israel, so that's a moot point. I was pointing out the justification the Israelis used for going into Gaza. I didn't comment on the justification myself. I didn't say it was right, or if it was truthful. Please refrain from jumping to conclusions. It doesn't reflect too well on you.
Another moot point. One does not respond rightly to a given situation by throwing the people you should be protecting out of their homes.
I've done nothing but point out the facts of the matter. If the facts make you sick, then it is no problem of mine.
I'm not sure how that works, either. I stand for plenty; do not make the mistake that just because I do not agree with you that I do not stand for anything. That is ignorance and bigotry, and it doesn't reflect too well on you.
All I'm going to say is, Watch the video....Watch and weep. You are the ignorant and bigoted one here, I dont ignore the facts (watch the video) and still lie through my teeth. Nice try in trying to sway away from the subject when you got caught lying, it aint gna work with me.
PS. I am not insulting you, calling a spade a spade isnt derogatory , Now take a hike
All I'm going to say is, Watch the video....Watch and weep. You are the ignorant and bigoted one here, I dont ignore the facts (watch the video) and still lie through my teeth. Nice try in trying to sway away from the subject when you got caught lying, it aint gna work with me.
PS. I am not insulting you, calling a spade a spade isnt derogatory , Now take a hike
I saw the video. Unfortunately, it didn't say anything regarding Hamas throwing Palestinians out of their homes. So the facts, on your part at least, are still unverified.
PS. Liar is a derogartory term, and avoid strawmen comparisons. It doesn't reflect too well on you.
No, but taking away their homes does make them harmful people.
It seems like you don't get why this argument started in the first place: Hamas does not steal homes. If, in your own opinion, they do steal homes, then you're pretty gullible, because most [Zionist] news channels (like BBC and CNN) bring news about Islam for one of the following reasons:
1) To convince gullible idiots (no offense) that all Muslims are terrorists with bombs strapped to their chests, and the ones with bushy beards are usually the heads of major terrorist cells worldwide (just like 24).
or
2) To show that Muslims are a bunch of hungry barbarians who keep fighting each other and kicking their own people out of their homes for no specific reason.
The latter, obviously, is an example of what BBC and CNN (and most other news channels) are trying to, and, apparently, have succeeded in pulling off.
So, if you still happen to believe that Hamas is responsible for the destruction of innocent peoples' homes and that it's the most evil thing to ever happen after the Jews themselves, then you, my friend, are one of the victims of mass media and propaganda.
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Why? Why do evil people do evil things? I honestly don't know. Power, money, ignorance, ideology... the reasons differ. I don't know what the motive is in the case of Hamas.
Now that you've accepted the fact that Hamas has no clear motive for it's "treacherous" acts, you may be able to see that there is some kind of rubbish behind the accusation. Unless this is one of those crimes from a Sherlock Holmes novel, there should be an obvious motive for almost any act of "evil", no?
And if, after all this arguing, you're still convinced that Hamas are a bunch of evil terrorists that steal peoples' homes for no apparent reason whatsoever, then please prove that Hamas did indeed destroy homes by showing me a picture of one of the homes they destroyed, if possible.
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