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    Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours' (OP)


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_...a/10198201.stm
    BP hopes to contain the spill from its leaking well in the Gulf of Mexico within 24 hours, its chief operating officer, Doug Suttles, has said.

    An operation using undersea robots to cut off the fractured pipe and seal it with a cap was launched on Tuesday.

    It comes as US President Barack Obama threatened legal action against those responsible for the leak.

    Mr Suttles said: "If everything goes well, within the next 24 hours we could have this contained."

    But, striking a note of caution, he stressed that success was not guaranteed and urged people to "remember this is being done in 5,000 feet of water, and very small issues take a long time to fix".

    The oil giant's shares fell sharply on Tuesday after the failure of its previous efforts to "top kill" the leak by pumping mud into the well.
    Legal action is being taken against BP, and rightfully so. They have failed in their attempts at clearing up the oil and it is so far damaging wildlife, natural beauty and lives.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

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    A special cap funnelling oil from the Gulf of Mexico spill appears to be having some success, a US Coast Guard official has said.

    Adm Thad Allen said 6,000 barrels of oil were captured in the first 24 hours after the procedure commenced on Thursday.

    This represents between a third and a half of the estimated daily leakage since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and sank on 20 April, killing 11 workers.

    Adm Allen said BP hoped to increase the amount captured in the next few days.

    Speaking in Theodore, Alabama, he said the company was able to bring up 6,000 barrels of oil from the well in the "first full 24-hour cycle".

    Asked if the proceedure was working, he said: "Yes, with caveats."
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_...a/10246924.stm

    So, some good news for once. But it is by no means over yet.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    format_quote Originally Posted by tango92 View Post

    ouch, im a muslim brother here. harsh words. there will always be environmental damage and loss of animal life whatever humans do. building houses or even walking down the street your bound to step on an ant or two. ok the situations might not compare, but the idea is the same. im not condoning environmental damage, but you have to realise this is a war between us and the non muslims, there will be casualties with every battle.
    Not harsh enough. You are a fool of the first order.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    ^ why dont you whine so much about the amazon rainforest they chop down everyday or the masses of natural resource we literally send down the drain everyday. cause lets face it, you dont really care. but this is fresh and exiting so lets all pretend like were genuinely concerned.

    Allah is in control, it was only by his mercy that he reclaimed the stolen property of the iraqi people.
    Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    This is a very tragic catastrophe for all mankind. The short term and long term environmental implications of this disaster are particularly depressing. This is not a matter of politics, Allah (SWT) knows best. Never should the (needless) destruction of Allah's (SWT) creatures and wildlife be celebrated but especially when something can be done.

    I would just like to add all of you screaming "US is to blame rawr rawr rawr" really need to exercise some self control. BP is an entity of the United Kingdom! Unless the US, in all it's mighty stupidity, kicked the rig (in turn breaking it) then I fail to see how this is their fault. Furthermore, the argument that "they are oil hungry and therefore that's why it's their fault" is also laughable as I'm certain the US are not the soul consumers of the world's oil.

    Seriously, is the US humanities universal scapegoat? Or is it just fashionable to hate them or something?

    Injustice is a shade that suits no one =\

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    format_quote Originally Posted by Dagless View Post
    Ok I agree that might be the case but it will be the little people who suffer.

    True and not just poor Americans but the poor world wide. The oil business has no Nationality, it is international. A loss in one are simply results in higher prices in another. Roughly 20% of the worlds people control 80% of the world's wealth. Those 20% will not loose one penny, they will simply take more from the 80% of the world who can not afford to loose it.

    Contrary to popular belief the world's richest people are not Americans.

    Also some parts of the USA are among the World's poorest people. Pine Ridge Reservation is larger than many countries. With an area of 3468.86 sq mi (8984.306 km2) it is larger then 65 of the world's nations.

    Compare with the 65 smallest nations at this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_total_area

    But Pine Ridge has 90% unemployment, nearly half the people are with out running water of electricity, most of the area has no roads and there are only 2 or 3 paved roads. The average income is $2,600 per year.

    Median income is $2,600 per year with 85% to 95% unemployment
    * Infant mortality rate 300% higher than the U.S. national average
    * Diabetes and Tuberculosis rates 800% higher t than the U.S. national average
    * Elderly die each winter from hypothermia (freezing)
    * At least 60% of the homes are severely substandard, without water, electricity, adequate insulation, and sewage systems
    * School drop-out rate is 70%
    * Recent reports state the average life expectancy is 45 years old while other reports state that it is 48 years old for men and 52 years old for women.

    * With either set of figures, that's the shortest life expectancy for any community in the Western Hemisphere outside Haiti, according to The Wall Street Journal.
    * And the list goes on and on….
    SOURCE

    This is how many Americans live, especially Native Americans living on a Rez. I live this life by choice, but for most I know it is a life forced upon them and they are the American's who will be the first to suffer from this oil spill. The wasichu will never loose a penny, but those with little will loose more, having the little taken by the wasichu to pay for the damage done in the Gulf.

    America has very many poor people 12% (37,000,000) live below the poverty level. 1/3 of all Americans are considered poor with income far below average.

    SOURCE



    Yet, we are the people who will be the ones who are forced to pay.
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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    format_quote Originally Posted by tango92 View Post
    ^ why dont you whine so much about the amazon rainforest they chop down everyday or the masses of natural resource we literally send down the drain everyday. cause lets face it, you dont really care. but this is fresh and exiting so lets all pretend like were genuinely concerned.

    Allah is in control, it was only by his mercy that he reclaimed the stolen property of the iraqi people.
    If you don't care-- you don't care.

    And unfortunately you're feelings, ideals, standpoints so on in no way reflect that of anyone else.

    Neither are you viable imterpeter of Allah's (SWT) will. You have no right to speak for the Lord and quantify/justify His (SWT) actions, indeed He (SWT) knows best.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    ^that is what im saying, i only care as much as is needed. the earth has withstood worse than this, come 3-4 yrs you wont even remember this day.

    and the way same you are not an interpreter of Allaheither, but lets judge the empirical evidence. Allah thought it best flush down the americans oil. yet ive never heard any1 say Alhumdulillah in this thread yet.

    do you think Allah has made a mistake in his plan?
    Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    Tango92 I don't understand how you're reasoning any of this in your head.

    I don't like argument for the sake of argument. And since you've thoroughly confused me with your invisible logic (for lack of a better word) I'm not even going to engage in debate.

    Salaam.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    Excuse the double post I meant infeasible not invisible (but I guess the latter works fine as well in a poetical sort of way?).

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    Furthermore, the argument that "they are oil hungry and therefore that's why it's their fault" is also laughable as I'm certain the US are not the soul consumers of the world's oil.
    Except the US has higher usage rates despite being lower in population. See this graph just to see how huge the discrepancy is. The US uses an (estimated) 19.5 million barrels/day when the entire EU uses 14.3. China with its huge 1 billion population uses just 7.9 - less than half the US.

    Why isn't China's higher despite the population? It's because not everyone there has a car to themselves. The US is home to the largest passenger vehicle market in the world. It's changing around the world though, with more and more people wanting to experience the 'American dream' of having huge gas guzzling vehicles. Other nations are increasing consumption but the US is still waaaay in the lead.

    Despite making only 4.6 percent of the world population, the US oil consumption per day is something like 20% or more. Should make you think.

    The US is and has been the biggest consumerism driven nation and its habits have been exported to the people around the world.

    However, I don't agree with tango92. All attempt must be made to cap the oil well and we shouldn't hope for it to go wrong.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    ^^ Erm, riveting really, but let me ask; how does the oil consumption of the US make this disaster their fault? Seriously, that's flawed logic.

    It's a problem yes and many like it have been bought to light but to say they are to blame for BP's mishap is totally unfair.

    And comparing a minority world country (the US) to Chine- a majority world country (an emerging and developing economy) is ridiculous. You make it sound like the vast majority of the Chinese population actively choose not to own cars when the fact of the matter is Chine is extremely poverty stricken and choice has very little to do with it.

    Facts and figure have to be considered in context.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    Obviously, BP were at fault for the incident specifically. However, in the broader sense, this mishap is just a symptom of a larger problem. The root cause is the US's (and now the world at large) dependence on oil. Cheap easily accessable oil is running out. That's why they are out in the gulf in the first place.

    You make it sound like the vast majority of the Chinese population actively choose not to own cars when the fact of the matter is Chine is extremely poverty stricken and choice has very little to do with it.
    Well of course it's due to poverty. Making it sound like China do it out of choice was not my intention. Except you said:

    Furthermore, the argument that "they are oil hungry and therefore that's why it's their fault" is also laughable as I'm certain the US are not the soul consumers of the world's oil.
    Hence the need to show facts and figures that prove the US has the highest consumption levels on the Earth. An entire culture of materialistic consumption that was started by them, in fact.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    Well unfortunately this thread is not concerned with the grand scheme of things-- it's about one issue and one issue only. And when posting in this thread I really don't care (for the sake of keeping on topic) if this event is a facet of any bigger picture: the fact of the matter is this oil spill is not the US's fault. That's what I'm debating here-- nothing else.

    Obviously, BP were at fault for the incident specifically.

    And what a pleasant surprise you agree with me.

    However if we were to zoom out and take in the view from a far I agree with you-- but again that's not what's being discussed.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    With all due respect, the 'tangent' (if you even see it that way) we are on is entirely relevent. The incident wouldn't have happened had it not been for our dependence on oil.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    format_quote Originally Posted by Alpha Dude View Post
    With all due respect, the 'tangent' (if you even see it that way) we are on is entirely relevent. The incident wouldn't have happened had it not been for our dependence on oil.
    Allah (SWT) knows best.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    Wassalaam.

    It was supposed to be the future, both for the United States and the world.

    When the Deepwater Horizon oil platform sank more than a month ago, it may have taken down with it America's best hopes for remaining an oil-producing powerhouse while waterlogging the fastest-growing source of new oil in a world thirsty for fuel, analysts say.

    Most newly discovered oil in the United States and the rest of the world in recent years has come from the deep ocean waters. The contribution to new U.S. oil output from depths of a mile or more in the Gulf of Mexico was expected to rise to 72 percent in 10 years before last month's catastrophic spill, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration.

    But now President Obama has slammed the lid on new deep-water drilling activities for at least six months while his administration investigates what caused the incident and ratchets up regulation of the industry.

    With the massive spill demonstrating that there is no foolproof way to safeguard the environment while drilling at such great depths - where no humans can reach and existing technology falls short - many analysts doubt that the oil spigot will ever be turned back on to more than a trickle in the U.S., despite the nation's heavy dependence on oil to fuel American lifestyles and to power economic growth.


    "The BP spill is likely to throw a wrench" into plans in the U.S. and rest of the world to extract more and more oil from the deep oceans, said Richard Heinberg, an analyst at the Post Carbon Institute.

    "Heavier regulations, and higher and more-expensive standards are on the way," he said. "Future deepwater projects could be delayed by years."

    Mr. Heinberg said nations have increasingly plumbed the ocean depths in search for oil because "we've already chewed our way down through" most of the more readily available sources. "Theres very little onshore or shallow-water oil left to find. So down we go," he said.

    The problem is, "as the industry is forced to drill deeper in ever more hostile environments, there are more things to go wrong; and when problems happen, they are harder to fix," he said. "An event such as the Deepwater Horizon explosion becomes more likely with every passing year, despite the continuing development of superior technology" that for the first time opened up the ocean depths in the past decade.


    Even if the U.S. does not extend the regulatory ban on activity, oil companies will run into major financial obstacles in the future as insurance costs and liability claims soar, and investors balk at financing deep-water projects that they fear could go haywire like the BP venture, he said.

    Gregory Lemaire-Smith, an associate energy analyst at Datamonitor, a business research group, said "any restriction in the exploration of offshore areas would be bad news" because of the critical role such drilling was expected to play in the future, not only in the U.S. but worldwide.

    Offshore oil in the Gulf has become so essential to the U.S. - accounting for 40 percent of U.S. oil production overall - that he doubts Mr. Obama would make the drilling ban permanent despite the disaster and pressure from environmental groups.

    In a sign that Mr. Obama remains reluctant to impose an all-out ban, the administration this week decided to continue allowing new drilling in the shallow waters of the Gulf of Mexico, where protection against disaster is more easily assured but less oil is available. It is allowing production to continue at deep-water wells that are already up and running.

    "The state of the oil market doesnt allow the U.S. the luxury of closing offshore regions to activity - a fact that both political parties are all too aware of," Mr. Lemaire-Smith said.

    Effects on projects would ripple worldwide if the U.S. permanently rules out further exploration for oil in deep waters, where oil companies already face high costs and risks to access the oil, he said.

    Exploration has been expanding off the coasts of Brazil, Nigeria, Angola and other countries, and the International Energy Agency recently projected that within 10 years, deep-ocean waters would be supplying 40 percent of all oil extracted worldwide.

    "If the accident in the Gulf of Mexico triggers a spiral effect, the impact on the global oil and gas offshore industry could be alarming," Mr. Lemaire-Smith said.

    Analysts now expect the brakes to be applied to the burgeoning deep-water industry.

    Environmental groups are inciting public outrage over the spill and calling on their allies in Congress and the administration to outlaw further deep-water drilling.

    "The massive oil spill in the Gulf will end up halting further oil and gas exploration in the United States for years to come," said Brian Sussman, a San Francisco meteorologist and author of a book about climate change.

    "The Gulf oil spill is the perfect 'out' for a presidential administration which relishes taking advantage of a crisis" to push its political agenda, he said.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...d-fuel-future/

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    The problem with the U.S., in this situation, is their own bureaucratic system has made it much harder to send the government in to help solve/clean the mess up.

    Apparently back in 1989, when the Exxon Valdez spill happened the U.S. navy assisted the clean-up and by all measures succeeded. This time there seems little to no action by the government.

    Would the Chinese government let the same thing continue for a month and a half + before taking over the operation?

    Not to say communist China is great but that's what you get in the U.S. It's almost as if they (current government) were more concerned about being perceived as socialist/communist by the people, then to throw all of that out and fix a national problem.

    Allah knows best.

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    Re: Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

    So far, 22 M gallons has been released into the Gulf. At the rate of 1,050,000 gallons per day. Source
    Gulf oil spill: BP hopes to cap flow 'within 24 hours'

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