A group is calling for the Sharia law to be removed from Britain completely.
I do not if I am allowed to post this as admins may regard it as anti Islamic. They have given several points why they think of the Sharia law, the one currently in place in Britain. Remove this if admins think this is anti islamic but I just wanted to let people know.
A new report by One Law for All has found Sharia Councils and Muslim Arbitration Tribunals to be in violation of UK law, public policy and human rights (see report here).
The report is being launched to coincide with a 20 June 2010 rally on the issue of Sharia law.
Based on an 8 March 2010 Seminar on Sharia Law, research, interviews, and One Law for All case files, the report has identified a number of problem areas:
- Sharia law’s civil code is arbitrary and discriminatory against women and children in particular. With the rise in the acceptance of Sharia courts, discrimination is being further institutionalised with some UK law firms additionally offering clients advice on Sharia law and the use of collaborative law.
- Sharia law is practiced in Britain primarily by Sharia Councils and Muslims Arbitration Tribunals. Both operate on religious principles and are harmful to women although Muslim Arbitration Tribunals are wrongly regarded as being of more concern because they operate as tribunals under the Arbitration Act 1996, making their rulings binding in law.
- Sharia Councils, on the other hand, claim to mediate on family issues but in practice often this differs little from arbitration: they frequently ask those appearing before them to sign an agreement to abide by their decisions; they call themselves courts, and the presiding imams, judges. Their decisions are then imposed and regarded as having the weight of legal judgements.
- There is neither control over the appointment of “judges” in Sharia Councils or Tribunals nor an independent mechanism for monitoring them. Clients often do not have access to legal advice and representation. The proceedings are not recorded, nor are there any searchable legal judgements, nor any real right of appeal.
- Sharia law cannot be compared to secular legal systems because it is considered sacred law that cannot be challenged. There is no scope to look at the interests of the individuals involved, as required by UK family law.
- These legal processes ignore both common law and due process, far less Human Rights, and provide little protection and safety for women in violent situations.
- There is a general assumption that those who attend Sharia courts do so voluntarily and that unfair decisions can be challenged in a British court. Many of the principles of Sharia law are contrary to British law and public policy, and would in theory therefore be unlikely to be upheld in a British court. In reality, however, women are often pressured by their families into going to these courts and adhering to unfair decisions, and may lack knowledge of English and their rights under British law. Moreover, refusal to settle a dispute in a Sharia court can give rise to threats and intimidation, or at best being ostracised.
According to Maryam Namazie, spokesperson of the One Law for All Campaign and an author of the report, “The existence of a parallel legal system that is denying a large section of the British population their fundamental human rights is scandalous. Our findings show that it is essential to abolish all religious courts in the UK. Their very existence and legitimisation puts pressure on vulnerable women not to assert their civil rights in a British court. As long as Sharia Councils and Tribunals are allowed to continue to make rulings on issues of family law, women will be pressured into accepting decisions which are prejudicial to them and their children.”
The report recommends that Sharia courts be closed on the grounds that they work against rather than for equality, and are incompatible with human rights. Recommendations include:
1. initiating a Human Rights challenge to Muslim Arbitration Tribunals and/or Sharia Councils
2. amending the Arbitration Act under which the Muslim Arbitration Tribunals operate in a similar way to which the Canadian equivalent of the Arbitration Act was amended in 2005 to exclude religious arbitration
3. launching a major and nationwide helpline and information campaign to inform people of their rights under British law
4. proposing legislation under the EU Citizens Rights Initiative to address the issue EU-wide, and
5. strengthening secularism and the separation of religion from the state, the judicial system and education, in order to more fully protect citizenship rights.
Fail at the ex-muslim spokesperson and her ''arguments''
I can't be asked to do a point for point (the amount of fail is too much), so I'll leave it at this; the group is clearly biased and has the knowledge of a facebook application. I'd treat them much the same as BNP and their ilk. Big mouths, small brains.
the hypocrites have failed to mention jewish courts
A perfectly valid point. You can't go on about the Sharia courts without noting the equal ill treatment of women and the like perpetuated by the Beth Din courts also operating in the UK. However, neither court has the power to enforce rulings against British law, such as death, or lashes.format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
Exactly! The sharia "law" in place in Britain is not even a law in Britain. So they are baking at the wrong tree or shall I say baking at thin air. It is merely there as a choice, muslims can choose whether they want it or not. And what this sharia law enforces can not go against the Bristish law in place. But this group in particular is against all religion and also think it should be removed from education system including Christainity. But apparantly they want to sort out the sharia "law" (bwt I use this term loosely) first.format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
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So the choice is simple, either a secular state with legal jewish and islamic and sikh and mormon courts or a catholic state. Prince Harry calls himself a dictator, erase parliament and with support of army creates a truly indendent, souvereign state. Ahh, dreaming
A Catholic state which responds every few years to a Papal request for a Crusade, where Protestants and other theists are forced into hiding and where you erect 50 foot models of the Virgin Mary on every street corner?format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85So the choice is simple, either a secular state with legal jewish and islamic and sikh and mormon courts or a catholic state. Prince Harry calls himself a dictator, erase parliament and with support of army creates a truly indendent, souvereign state. Ahh, dreaming
No thanks, I'll stick with secularism for now
A see that nowadays there are a lot of ex-Muslims who have discovered they can make a decent living as "consultants" and "spokesmen" or "advisors" for anti-Muslim organisations. There are some who are paid handsomely for being the public face of anti-Muslim campaigns. Muslim-haters can see the value in having someone called "Ali" or "Khan" or "Abdul" to insult Islam. It makes it look like they are speaking about a subject they know very well. But none of these ex-Muslim advisors and consultants were ever scholars. They are normally people who had bad experiences from their family or community and have now rejected Islam because they confuse culture with religion.
I doubt these ex - 'muslims' were ever muslims to begin with, most of them would have been faasiqs who would have wanted to live the kuffar lifestyle. Then people like these who know nothing about islam start spewing hatred and create groups to 'help' people leave islam. I think this is one of the reasons apostates are meant to be killed, they go out in the public and spread fitna for other muslims, they then give our deen a bad name to non-muslims.format_quote Originally Posted by Nirvana
since when was shariah law implemented in Britain to begin with
^why is it every post i read of yours, there seems to be some kind of drama queen attitude used to get your points across
There are differences of opinions on that particular issue. Most scholars agree that those who left Islam out of ignorance or because they have been mistreated by people in name of Islam, when it isn’t then death should be avoided. This can be applied to those who have created this website, so I don’t necessarily agree with abdi. E.g. if one was forced to marry in name of Islam by families and friends, or those that have been beaten by their husband in unjust manner or those who have witnessed unjust murder in the name of Islam etc... These people can leave Islam for these reasons and they do so out of ignorance. Others believe it should only apply to those who left the religion during a war because s/he may help the enemies.
Its a part of our faith, even 'moderates' cannot deny whats written in the authentic hadithformat_quote Originally Posted by questioner8
But before you get all excited this punishment is only carried out by law enforcemnt in muslim states, and only to people dumb enough to anounce they're apostates
Lets see what the bible says about apostacy:
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Last edited by aadil77; 06-21-2010 at 06:11 PM.
If apostates are to be murdered in a true muslim nation, then what more impetus do we need to halt any attempts at people creating a true muslim nation? And how could a true muslim nation claim to be "of peace"?
Also note that pointing at the bible and showing its ugly side does nothing to diminish the ugly side of the Quran.
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note to mods: umm why is this person with these ugly opinions still here?
Hey!format_quote Originally Posted by Pygoscelis
Read this: Islam and Apostasy
I think you would have better understanding if you read this thread. and no it not as clear cut as abdi makes out.
bye, sweet106
what verse are we talking about here in the Quran??format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77
I read there isnt any verse in the quran? it is only mentioned in hadith.format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
http://www.islamicboard.com/clarific...ml#post1340810
salaamformat_quote Originally Posted by sweet106
Yeah so whats aadil77 talking about
peace
chill I meant hadithformat_quote Originally Posted by Zafran
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