I’ve recently been drawn to a film called “The Stoning of Soraya M” after following the news reports on the sister whom is supposed to be stoned in Iran for adultery.
The film which I’m referring to is that of a true story of a young woman married to the most ungrateful husband. Since divorce will be costly for him he decides to form lies and therefore accuse his wife of adultery, bearing in mind the Mullah knowing fair well that the story isn’t true and the poor woman is innocent. Furthermore they bribe another gentleman into confessing that the young woman was lying in his bed and saying things which are only for the ears of the husband. This eventually led to the woman’s execution.
Now putting this story into perspective of the case which is ongoing in Iran, how can we have justice when it comes to such sensitive issues? People lie in order to see one suffer or even have a painful death.
Salaam
okay i typed out this long reply then accidently in one fell swoop, deleted it. So, let me try again.
I too have been following the case of this woman and of her family. I pray for the safety of all involved as it appears her son was either arrested or is missing... or maybe the two amount to the same thing.
I pray for Gods *swt* guidance in those involved and its hard for me to see that this would be allowed to happen and the extra set of lashings due to the error that the newspaper made I do hope that there is a resolution to this soon.
I too want to see the movie and I believe there is a book version too. I would like to read that too if i'm correct and there is a book...
Man's inhumanity to man (in this case, woman). This is a main part of the reason why we no longer have capital punishment in Britain but this particular type of action is extremely cruel and barbaric. You can hardly call people who participate in this sort of thing 'civilised'.
Not everyone supports the gov't of the country they live in. I have not supported the war effort... I know that i'm not alone in the states. Personally I feel that the isolationism policy the states had before WW2 was a much better idea. There is much truth for me in the phrase i love my country but i fear my government.
Salaam
Serena
Not everyone supports the gov't of the country they live in. I have not supported the war effort... I know that i'm not alone in the states. Personally I feel that the isolationism policy the states had before WW2 was a much better idea. There is much truth for me in the phrase i love my country but i fear my government. Salaam Serena
Hi Serena and aboard.. of course not everyone is in support of their government.. I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of certain members, surely you can understand..
enjoy your stay with us..
all the best
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salaam
of course i do understand - and thank you for the welcome..... and i agree that many westerners have a very different approach to civilized ... both good and bad....
I think my response comes from how many non muslims don't even understand the difference in the name of religion vs a cultural issue .... its a shame to me to see that and i see a lot of it. I do hope i didnt step on any toes, was sincerely not my intention.
Serena
salaam
of course i do understand - and thank you for the welcome..... and i agree that many westerners have a very different approach to civilized ... both good and bad....
I think my response comes from how many non muslims don't even understand the difference in the name of religion vs a cultural issue .... its a shame to me to see that and i see a lot of it. I do hope i didnt step on any toes, was sincerely not my intention.
Serena
Nope we certainly appreciate your input, I have been meaning to tell you so, since your migraine thread comment, but never got around to it..
enter into Islamic board in peace and be at peace..
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Don't you participate in that sort of thing when sending troops to Afghanistan rape women and keep body parts as souvenirs?
Well, considering I am not a soldier who has been sent to Afghanistan to kill Afghans and take their limbs as souveniers and since the only person I've ever sent anywhere, has been my assistant, for a bottle of milk and some cigarettes - then no! Logically speaking, why would a person who thinks stoning a woman to death is barbaric, try to justify the killing and rape of innocent Afghani women?
Similarly, why would I think that partially beheading Russian prisoners after promising them POW rights and then dragging them across the ground whilst still alive, was any less cruel, hideous and nasty?
The mistake you're clearly making is that no one specifically sends troops out to do that sort of thing because it is ILLEGAL!!! Why, I'm remembering the British-commissioned Gurkha who came back with the head of a local warlord the company had been sent to take out. When he came back with a human head, as a means of verifying the mission had been accomplished - he was subject to discipline, after an enquiry.
I am always amused when a westerner speaks of 'civility'
Be amused for, in that department, I am happy to help. For the record, I'm always amused when people conflate me, sitting here at home, with men who have been sent abroad with weapons or even accuse me of being a slave trader, because I'm white.
Well, considering I am not a soldier who has been sent to Afghanistan to kill Afghans and take their limbs as souveniers and since the only person I've ever sent anywhere, has been my assistant, for a bottle of milk and some cigarettes - then no! Logically speaking, why would a person who thinks stoning a woman to death is barbaric, try to justify the killing and rape of innocent Afghani women?
Similarly, why would I think that partially beheading Russian prisoners after promising them POW rights and then dragging them across the ground whilst still alive, was any less cruel, hideous and nasty?
The mistake you're clearly making is that no one specifically sends troops out to do that sort of thing because it is ILLEGAL!!! Why, I'm remembering the British-commissioned Gurkha who came back with the head of a local warlord the company had been sent to take out. When he came back with a human head, as a means of verifying the mission had been accomplished - he was subject to discipline, after an enquiry.
You don't have to outright send yourself or a minion there to be in blind support of what is going on- and simply given your pretensions, you should indeed be lump summed into guilt, for even mere complaisance makes you an accomplice.
I guess all is fair in war! Don't expect people to greet with you roses and hugs when you have gone out of your way to invade their sovereign nation and on several occasions.
You have no civility and no credibility. Non-whatsoever.. just a mere hypocrite in a sea of hypocrites!
Be amused for, in that department, I am happy to help. For the record, I'm always amused when people conflate me, sitting here at home, with men who have been sent abroad with weapons or even accuse me of being a slave trader, because I'm white.
Not everyone here supports these wars.
You are apt at making others guilty by proxy (your previous statement is a perfect example)- people should in fact render you guilty by trickle down from your forefathers!
all the best
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You are apt at making others guilty by proxy (your previous statement is a perfect example)- people should in fact render you guilty by trickle down from your forefathers!
With that sort of attitude, it's no wonder we are unable to have a civil debate. You have just exposed your own pitiful ignorance. If your logic were to hold any water at all, then you would be guilty as sin! Perhaps I ought to remind you of the Islamic Islamic slave trade across the Sahara, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean?
In his book "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters...", historian Robert Davis says:
"While the European involvement in the Transatlantic slave trade to the Americas lasted for just over three centuries, the Arab involvement in the slave trade has lasted fourteen centuries, and in some parts of the Muslim world is still continuing to this day."
I'm SO sorry, τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ... for this is going to hurt a little bit... but it's for your own good.
Historian Robert Davis in his book "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters - White Slavery In the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast and Italy", estimates that North African Muslim pirates abducted and enslaved more than 1 million Europeans between 1530 and 1780. These white Christians were seized in a series of raids which depopulated coastal towns from Sicily to Cornwall. Thousands of white Christians in coastal areas were seized every year to work as galley slaves, laborers and concubines for Muslim slave masters in what is today Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya. Villages and towns on the coast of Italy, Spain, Portugal and France were the hardest hit, but the Muslim slave raiders also seized people as far afield as Britain, Ireland and Iceland. They even captured 130 American seamen from ships they boarded in the Atlantic between 1785 and 1793.
According to one report, 7,000 English people were abducted between 1622 to 1644, many of them ship crews and passengers. But the Corsairs also landed on unguarded beaches, often at night, to snatch the unwary. Almost all the inhabitants of the village of Baltimore, in Ireland, were captured in 1631, and there were other raids in Devon and Cornwall. Many of these white, Christian slaves were put to work in quarries, building sites and galleys and endured malnutrition, disease and mistreatment at the hands of their Muslim slave masters. Many of them were used for public works such as building harbors.
Female captives were sexually abused in palace harems and others were held as hostages and bargained for ransom. "The most unlucky ended up stuck and forgotten out in the desert, in some sleepy town such as Suez, or in Turkish Sultanate galleys, where some slaves rowed for decades without ever setting foot on shore." Professor Davis estimates that up to 1.25 million Europeans were enslaved by Muslim slave raiders between 1500 to 1800.
If guilt is hereditary, then I wouldn't like to be you on the day of judgement!
You need to take a look at yourself and address that chip on your shoulder, before I take anything you say seriously.
You don't have to outright send yourself or a minion there to be in blind support of what is going on
Well, yes, I think I DO need to outright send myself or a minion there to be in blind support. What if I told you I campaigned against these wars? Eh?! And while we're on the subject of 'hypocrisy' I think it's time for me to alert you to the fact, you happen to be, by miles, the biggest hypocrite on this forum!
Hang on... have I just been fooled by a devil's advocate? There's a clue, if ever I saw one: "lump summed". You're not being serious, are you? You don't really believe what you're saying, do you? It smells just like you're just trying to get a reaction. At least, I certainly hope so... for your sake. Otherwise, it would seem you have some serious personality issues to deal with.
With that sort of attitude, it's no wonder we are unable to have a civil debate. You have just exposed your own pitiful ignorance. If your logic were to hold any water at all, then you would be guilty as sin! Perhaps I ought to remind you of the Islamic Islamic slave trade across the Sahara, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean?
As stated before, if you don't like it here don't be a member here.. also, you are absolutely the last person to talk of history. Much like your movies, you makeup lies and believe them. You fancy yourself good and civilized when you are in fact the scum of the earth!
In his book "Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters...", historian Robert Davis says:
"While the European involvement in the Transatlantic slave trade to the Americas lasted for just over three centuries, the Arab involvement in the slave trade has lasted fourteen centuries, and in some parts of the Muslim world is still continuing to this day.
Is that why not fifty years ago a black woman was forced to give up her seat to a white man and men in white robes were torching others in the night? You are so funny. unable to handle your despicable existence, hatred, bigotry, stupidity, manipulation and imperialism, forcing others into opium trades, slavery and front line infantry you'd do better to write a book projecting your own inadequacies and quoting yourselves as reference funny stuff!
I'm SO sorry, τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ... for this is going to hurt a little bit... but it's for your own good.
Who are you, you plant fertilizer to impose any infliction?
If guilt is hereditary, then I wouldn't like to be you on the day of judgement!
Thank God for that-- surely God is just.. those who work to earn aren't equated with those who bang their way to life and think a dying man ate their sins for them for them to sin carte blanche!
You need to take a look at yourself and address that chip on your shoulder, before I take anything you say seriously.
You seem to be under some sort of impression that anyone, anyone at all on board is waiting for your micturate.. no one gives a hoot, go and buzz off!
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Well, yes, I think I DO need to outright send myself or a minion there to be in blind support. What if I told you I campaigned against these wars? Eh?! And while we're on the subject of 'hypocrisy' I think it's time for me to alert you to the fact, you happen to be, by miles, the biggest hypocrite on this forum!
Your word is worth as much as you write, nothing at all, especially when can't be cross referenced against anything except well your own worthless words!
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Hang on... have I just been fooled by a devil's advocate? There's a clue, if ever I saw one: "lump summed". You're not being serious, are you? You don't really believe what you're saying, do you? It smells just like you're just trying to get a reaction. At least, I certainly hope so... for your sake. Otherwise, it would seem you have some serious personality issues to deal with.
What you smell, think, say is utterly inconsequential.. Don't want to react, don't respond back.. common sense, you really ought to try it sometimes!
all the best
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You're funny... I think I'm beginning to like you.
you should go out and get some air, ride your bike or something, if this is where you get your entertainment then what an execrable life you must lead!
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you should go out and get some air, ride your bike or something, if this is where you get your entertainment then what an execrable life you must lead!
You know, I was thinking exactly the very same thing, about you, as I was walking back from the shop this evening (getting some air). I get in... and find this.
I reply where I see fit and where I find it both relaxing and virtually amusing!
Pot-kettle / kettle-pot.
You know, it might go towards your credibility, if you actually remembered what you'd written, once in a while.
And, you do seem to have some fixation with excrement and micturation, don't you? This is all to be expected, with the sort of personality disorder I'm suspecting.
So - congratulations on derailing the thread into the verge of petty insults, which have nothing to do with the issue being discussed and bringing the tone down below the rim of the toilet. I'm stopping right here... before someone points out I've been arguing with a child.
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aboard.. of course not everyone is in support of their government.. I just enjoy pointing out the hypocrisy of certain members, surely you can understand..
You're funny... I think I'm beginning to like you.
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