Saudi prince jailed for life for murder of servant

Salaam

what's the reaction of Saudi Royal family ???

he caused a death and was given life? sob7an Allah.. what is this world coming to?
I don't understand where people get the heart to torture yet alone murder another human being but in my book a life for a life as prescribed by Allah swt is justice!
the so-called royal family should lead by example!

The good news is that he was at least accused and jailed, fortunately. If he was still in KSA, no one probably will hear about the poor servant murder, aal Saud (the ruling family) are above the law.

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble

It's senses. No country in the EU has the death penalty; we leave that particular barbarism for the likes of China, Burma, North Korea, the USA....



I doubt they'll get the chance. The sentence will be served in a British prison; not least because Al Saud is hardly likely to want to move to a Saudi prison in the circumstances.

If your son or daughter is tortured, possibly sexually assaulted, and then ruthlessly murdered, God Forbid, we'll see if you keep the same attitude. The killer obviously believes in the death penalty so why in the world should he be exempt from his own policy??

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble

It's senses. No country in the EU has the death penalty; we leave that particular barbarism for the likes of China, Burma, North Korea, the USA..

It isn't Barbarism in your mind to inflict death upon a poor blue collar worker and abuse him? but barbarism to deal with the abuser justly in a like manner?
as stated prior I find your moral compass to be questionable to say the least!

should be sent back to saudi to face the death penalty. now that its public, its not something they can put under the carpet easily. Especially since they were involved

format_quote Originally Posted by Troubled Soul

If a dog attacks an innocent bystander, that dog would be put down (No questions asked).

Dogs are generally considered less important than people (I'm making no moral comment on that one way or the other). In the case of people, questions usually ARE asked, ultimately in the form of a trial. A trial, being ultimately a human activity is subject to error; many murder convictions are overturned. Bit late if the person has been hung or fried, isn't it?

If a Human being kills another human being, whats wrong with giving him a taste of his own medicine IE The Death Penalty?

I'm amazed that some theists hold such a casual view of the value of human life, and consider themselves worthy of deciding whether another deserves to retain it or not. Isn't every human being supposed to be the property of God? Ultimately, surely, the fate of the murderer is decided by God.. but clearly not through always influencing juries to reach the right decision. After all, what is a "taste of his own medicine" compared with a trip to Hell? There is surely no need to accelerate the process except a need to satisfy bloodlust and revenge and, although people don't like to hear it, that is the only genuine motivation capital punishment has.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bedouin

Trumble, if this is your reason for not supporting executions, then surely in the case where there is absolute proof (e.g. undeniable video evidence) you should relent?

It's one of my reasons, but by no means the only one. I don't accept that case exists in reality, anyway. Firstly, a case should be proven "beyond reasonable doubt" to obtain a conviction in the first place. 'Absolute' is a mathematical abstraction, but in the real world how does 'absolute' differ from 'beyond reasonable doubt'? I never could understand why people keep giving video evidence as an example of this.. don't they ever go to the movies?! Video can be faked. Scientific tests can be screwed up. Confessions can be forced.

format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar

Well, if the murderer repents before their executions, the death penalty may actually be expiation of their sins, and they may be even be spared of hell, if God decides.

So God decides if the sinner is spared hell, but you get to toss the dice as to whether execution may be sufficient to atone for their sin or not? I could accept that if the murderer freely expressed a genuine wish to be executed for that purpose, perhaps.

But of course you do not believe that.

I believe muslims believe it. I don't, not only because I don't believe there is a God to dispense such instructions but because I think that this one is totally inconsistent with the existence of such a God if He did exist. It's merely a reflection of a particular time and culture long since gone, just as is the OT equivalent. But, of course you don't believe that!

they had homosexual relations. But we dont know if the slave was doing it willingly or was being raped.

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Surah Al-A'raf 7:80-81

80. And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamin (mankind and jinns)?

81. "Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)."
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah ASh Shu'ara 26:165-166

165. "Go you in unto the males of the 'Alamin (mankind),

166. "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your wives? Nay, you are a trespassing people!" (Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

Surah Hud 11:77-79

77. And when Our Messengers came to Lout (Lot), he was grieved on their account and felt himself straitened for them (lest the town people should approach them to commit sodomy with them). He said: "This is a distressful day."

78. And his people came rushing towards him, and since aforetime they used to commit crimes (sodomy, etc.), he said: "O my people! Here are my daughters (i.e. the daughters of my nation), they are purer for you (if you marry them lawfully). So fear Allah and degrade me not as regards my guests! Is there not among you a single right-minded man?"

79. They said: "Surely you know that we have neither any desire nor in need of your daughters, and indeed you know well what we want!" (Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

Even as we have provided the clear dalil (evidence) regarding the prohibition against homosexuality the tribalism and need to protect the name of a country and tribe prevails. The endless arguements what type of relationship, etc. There is no honor in defending the homosexual prince no matter what country he originates. This has been occurring in the United States and Britian for years he just got caught.

If someone from my own family committed an act that was haram I would condemn them and not dance around the wrong. Shameful!

Surah Al Imran 3:110
110. You [true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah (legal ways, etc.)] are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma'ruf (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allah. And had the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) believed, it would have been better for them; among them are some who have faith, but most of them are Al-Fasiqun (disobedient to Allah - and rebellious against Allah's Command).
(Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan translation)