Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now. (OP)
Following column was published in a Pakistani Newspaper "Daily Express" by Orya Maqbool Jan. I am posting it but due to shortage of time, I can not translate it in english. I will do it soon, till then Urdu readers can enjoy.
PS: I also request any brother or sister who have few minutes to translate it for english readers.
When there is nothing left but Allah that is when you find out that Allah is all you need.
No I'm sorry you'll have to rephrase that for me, I cannot understand what you are asking. I know English is a second language for many posters here so I try to be as patient and understanding as possible.
Maybe english is your 4th or 5th language - but I'm sure you know exactly what I meant but if you want to play dumb thats fine by me just dont expect all of us here to play along.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
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format_quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl
They're an Islamic terrorist organization headed by Osama Bin Laden.
It is not as simple as that. There are some Muslims that want to attack western countries, American embassies and countries that support western countries. However, there is no uniform, code of conduct or anything to suggest that these Muslims are part of a big organisation, headed of Osama to take over the world.
So these threats exist, but they are not as efficient or dangerous or organised as the media makes them out to be.
I don't believe personal insults are allowed on this site.
Yes no insults.
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
Iran is the most powerful Muslim country at the moment & it ain't Sunni. Good luck.
IMHO the phenomenon of globalization is going to squash any caliphates.
Iran has been getting influence in Lebanon, Syria, south of Iraq and Hamas. Of course this troubles Sunni Arab countries. However, Iran is not exactly the most powerful country unless it gets nuclear weapons.
Pakistan does have nuclear weapons but I'm not sure how powerful their army is.
How will gobalization squash any caliphates?
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow
Iran has been getting influence in Lebanon, Syria, south of Iraq and Hamas. Of course this troubles Sunni Arab countries. However, Iran is not exactly the most powerful country unless it gets nuclear weapons.
Pakistan does have nuclear weapons but I'm not sure how powerful their army is.
How will gobalization squash any caliphates?
oh ok. you're right about iran it does seem to be a big push over despite what its vocal leader's comment.
My comment about globalization was simply to say the world will turn secular before any caliphate can be created. it's my opinion that in the long run everyone is going to want to be part of a secular global community and they will pick that over Shariah. I don't mean to say it's any better than shariah or that there's something wrong with shariah; i am simply saying that i think the secular lifestyle will have a greater success in the future.
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
-Plato
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format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
Iran is the most powerful Muslim country at the moment & it ain't Sunni. Good luck.
IMHO the phenomenon of globalization is going to squash any caliphates.
Turkey is still up there although its secular - and you clearly havent read Islamic history.
Last edited by Zafran; 12-29-2010 at 01:14 AM.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
oh ok. you're right about iran it does seem to be a big push over despite what its vocal leader's comment.
My comment about globalization was simply to say the world will turn secular before any caliphate can be created. it's my opinion that in the long run everyone is going to want to be part of a secular global community and they will pick that over Shariah. I don't mean to say it's any better than shariah or that there's something wrong with shariah; i am simply saying that i think the secular lifestyle will have a greater success in the future.
Dont think so and a secular lifestyle has very little "success" however you define success.
Do you think the pious don't sin?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
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format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
oh ok. you're right about iran it does seem to be a big push over despite what its vocal leader's comment.
It does have potential but it poor relations with western countries, ineffective economics policies under Ahmadinejad and sanctions has made progression difficult.
My comment about globalization was simply to say the world will turn secular before any caliphate can be created. it's my opinion that in the long run everyone is going to want to be part of a secular global community and they will pick that over Shariah. I don't mean to say it's any better than shariah or that there's something wrong with shariah; i am simply saying that i think the secular lifestyle will have a greater success in the future.
It does depend upon what you mean by success...we all have a different idea. I think the future is too unpredictable.
Even if the world adopts secularism as a form of governance, the system itself will not last forever. All empires rise and collapse.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
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Salaam
format_quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl
Really? Just recently Al Qaeda slaughtered 68 people in a Coptic church in Egypt. I think the Islamic world has far more problems on its plate than a relationship with the rest of the world.
I think you are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say, many problems like the one you mentioned are in part a result of western elites lust for the resources of the middle east and the lack of government that is responsive to the needs and wants of the population.
format_quote Originally Posted by Lynx
oh ok. you're right about iran it does seem to be a big push over despite what its vocal leader's comment.
My comment about globalization was simply to say the world will turn secular before any caliphate can be created. it's my opinion that in the long run everyone is going to want to be part of a secular global community and they will pick that over Shariah. I don't mean to say it's any better than shariah or that there's something wrong with shariah; i am simply saying that i think the secular lifestyle will have a greater success in the future.
Globalisation is not a new phenomenon, when Western nations controlled and exploited much of the world that could be described as a stage in globalisation of the world. What were experiencing now is much the same except on a grander scale with the introduction of new technologies (IT etc). However the idea of globalisation with the inevitable 'westernisation' of the world is fanciful to say the least. These same argument's were made over a century ago, you know, the 'white mans burden' rhetoric - how the 'civilised' nations of the world must uplift the 'lesser' peoples and how the 'lesser' peoples are clamouring to become 'cvilised' etc etc. Tiresome drivel to say the least.
Might surprise you Lynx most people don't want to live under an economic system dominated by the values Euroamerican elites.
For those wanting a more accurate analysis of the phenomenon of globalisation this is a good place to start.
And the idea that the world is becoming more 'secular' (in the European sense) is open to some serious question. In fact many secularists think otherwise. This is an interesting work, of course its written from a secuarlist perspective but its interesting nevertheless
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General notice, not addressed to any particular individual: Please keep the discussion to the subject, as opposed to the members. Thank you to those who are doing so.
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Its strange when I view the photo of them, they look alike, just observe their expressions..one with a big smile, one without...but its still the same expression...after all.
Last edited by I_notGenerous; 12-30-2010 at 05:55 PM.
Reason: adding words
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format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
Please keep the discussion to the subject, as opposed to the members. Thank you to those who are doing so.
I am referring to the photo of Mr George Bush and the Saudis Prince, I think they have similar expressions. You would be one of them, may be indirectly in this forum. Dont ranked yourself. If you think my postings are not within the topic, please state which one?
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format_quote Originally Posted by I_notGenerous
I am referring to the photo of Mr George Bush and the Saudis Prince, I think they have similar expressions. You would be one of them, may be indirectly in this forum. Dont ranked yourself. If you think my postings are not within the topic, please state which one?
It was a general notice, not addressed to any member in particular. My apologies for the confusion.
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A very nice article, but a little idealistic, dont you think? It portrays the Muslim world of the past as being far more united than it ever was. After the first 50 years of the Arab conquests, the middle east was already divided, and was NOT one unified Muslim Empire spanning from India to Spain, but always divided in dozens of kingdoms that were warring with one another throughout their history.
"So long as you are a slave to the opinions of the many you have not yet approached freedom or tasted its nectar…" -- Julian the Apostate
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format_quote Originally Posted by Thucydides1987
A very nice article, but a little idealistic, dont you think? It portrays the Muslim world of the past as being far more united than it ever was. After the first 50 years of the Arab conquests, the middle east was already divided, and was NOT one unified Muslim Empire spanning from India to Spain, but always divided in dozens of kingdoms that were warring with one another throughout their history.
I agree with you to some extent. Following the death of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H), there was a leadership issue and this lead to divisions.
So these problems have always existed.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow
I agree with you to some extent. Following the death of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H), there was a leadership issue and this lead to divisions. So these problems have always existed.
And to follow up on the article's proposition for a united Muslim Ummah state, like that of the EU, I think we have to remember that the EU was and is not a religious confederation; I have great doubts that Europe would have been able to unite itself into some Pan-European Christan Union, considering the antagonisms between Catholics and Protestants (and Orthodox Christians). In the same manner, when you look at the violence committed by the Sunnis and Shia toward one another, I have doubts that the region can become united under Islam, since there would not be a consensus as to which Islam ought to be the banner.
And if you want to look at this from a nationalist perspective, keep in mind that it took 2 world wars for European nations to finally put aside their prejudices for one another.
"So long as you are a slave to the opinions of the many you have not yet approached freedom or tasted its nectar…" -- Julian the Apostate
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format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
They're all over Iraq too? funny thing Copts aren't Iraqi.. in fact the word Copt means Egyptian (look it up) and generally do so before engaging in any topic..
Isn't it amazing that all these so-called internal wars didn't exist between folks who have lived side by side for millenniums before foreign invasion?
here is some reading flatulentCarl
Link removed!
Robert Fisk: Seen through a Syrian lens, 'unknown Americans' are provoking civil war in Iraq
if you're silly, your public is foolish and media is manipulative, it doesn't mean that the rest of the world is going to join your band wagon. The locals are actually quite unto your ilk.. After all Iraq is the birth place of civilization.
stay in school kid and pay attention in class, or did they cut down govt. spending from your local PS?
Let me see,
here is some reading flatulentCarl
!
Is this the muslim etiquette that is supposed to be displayed?
And Iraq was a hell hole before the yanks went in!
saddam hussein killed/murdered 1,000's of muslims!
His regime was evil and barbaric and the 'bathist's' were just power crazed and corrupt!
If you regard them as muslims, who set a good example of islam in action, then I pity you!
saddam had statues and pictures of himself everywhere, which must count as idolatry according to islam?
sn't it amazing that all these so-called internal wars didn't exist between folks who have lived side by side for millenniums before foreign invasion?
So sunnis and shi'ites and kurds weren't murdering each other before the yanks went in!
How much in denial are you?
if you're silly, your public is foolish and media is manipulative, it doesn't mean that the rest of the world is going to join your band wagon. The locals are actually quite unto your ilk.. After all Iraq is the birth place of civilization.
stay in school kid and pay attention in class, or did they cut down govt. spending from your local PS?
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