Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now. (OP)
Following column was published in a Pakistani Newspaper "Daily Express" by Orya Maqbool Jan. I am posting it but due to shortage of time, I can not translate it in english. I will do it soon, till then Urdu readers can enjoy.
PS: I also request any brother or sister who have few minutes to translate it for english readers.
When there is nothing left but Allah that is when you find out that Allah is all you need.
Nothing. There are Muslims that want to establish the Caliphate. That is all.
All the information about Islam is available from books and lectures. It is only the west that claims Muslims have something to hide.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888
Why, what would the west and israel have to fear from a muslim 'caliphate'?
After all, isn't islam the 'religion of peace'?
What secret agenda have islam and muslims got?
Asalaamu Alaikum,
I'd imagine with a Caliphate, the Zionists won't simply be able to walk into Palastine, bomb a few innocents and walk out with just a few "we condemn this act" speeches.
Trust me, the Caliphates job is to bring the unity of the Muslims back together again, thats why most Muslims want one.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze
Asalaamu Alaikum,
I'd imagine with a Caliphate, the Zionists won't simply be able to walk into Palastine, bomb a few innocents and walk out with just a few "we condemn this act" speeches.
Trust me, the Caliphates job is to bring the unity of the Muslims back together again, thats why most Muslims want one.
So what would they do then, kill the jews and christians?
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl
So what would they do then, kill the jews and christians?
Asalaamu Alaikum,
Please think for a second what I said. Your immediate conclusion derives from either your hate or your true misunderstanding.
Either way, not suprised you said that, even though I have no idea (from my post) how you came to the conclusion that Muslims want to kill jews/christians. What or who from have you been learning about Islam?
Last edited by Perseveranze; 01-02-2011 at 12:44 AM.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888
!
Is this the muslim etiquette that is supposed to be displayed?
With the likes of you certainly!
And Iraq was a hell hole before the yanks went in!
And what would you call it now? paradisaical? further still did the Iraqis invite you in and ask for help for you to turn their hell into infinite hell?
saddam hussein killed/murdered 1,000's of muslims!
His regime was evil and barbaric and the 'bathist's' were just power crazed and corrupt!
your regime is an infinite times that corruption, greed, self-interest, lack of regard for human life, dignity or value. You and your govt. and all its supporters disgust me all around. The type of creeps that enjoy suffering of others, as you enjoy mocking children .. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/05/s...ay-terrorists/
and stealing civilian body parts.. truly sick individuals unleashed upon the world!
If you regard them as muslims, who set a good example of islam in action, then I pity you!
irrelevant gibberish and pity from you is equal to plant fertilizer you can shove it!
saddam had statues and
pictures of himself everywhere, which must count as idolatry according to islam?
Again, it isn't your 'cross to bear' whether he was a despot or not, you and your type have no moral or ethical or legal reason to be there and do worst!
So sunnis and shi'ites and kurds weren't murdering each other before the yanks went in!
How much in denial are you?
I am not glued to fox with my pork rinds and beer jugs lapping up feces as Murdoch dispenses .. denial and frank ignorance and stupidity is only yours to keep!
How about taking on the point/s made!
You do that!
all the best
Last edited by جوري; 01-02-2011 at 03:01 AM.
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze
Asalaamu Alaikum,
Please think for a second what I said. Your immediate conclusion derives from either your hate or your true misunderstanding.
Either way, not suprised you said that, even though I have no idea (from my post) how you came to the conclusion that Muslims want to kill jews/christians. What or who from have you been learning about Islam?
Well what other alternatives are there? Because I see none. How else are you going to dissolve such a powerful nation especially a nuclear state?
In fact I think large scale force is completely out of question too unless the islamic empire under the "caliphate" is willing to endure a nuclear holocaust just to drive away Israel.
Last edited by ChargerCarl; 01-02-2011 at 05:01 AM.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl
So what would they do then, kill the jews and christians?
No.
format_quote Originally Posted by R Khan
Fox News me thinks.
format_quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl
Well what other alternatives are there?
No idea. If all Muslim countries were united, I think America and Israel will behave more cautiously.
Plus a Caliphate is in conflict with the project for a new American century, so this is another reason why I think the west will not tolerate an Islamic state.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl
The "islamic state" isn't really that bothersome, its the instability.
What ''instability?''
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow
Nothing. There are Muslims that want to establish the Caliphate. That is all.
All the information about Islam is available from books and lectures. It is only the west that claims Muslims have something to hide.
The Victory.
[48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
With the likes of you certainly!
And what would you call it now? paradisaical? further still did the Iraqis invite you in and ask for help for you to turn their hell into infinite hell?
and you killed
Documented civilian
99,315 – 108,430
it is funny as the Iraqi adage goes.. It is better to suffer from fever than to simply die a brutal death!
your regime is an infinite times that corruption, greed, self-interest, lack of regard for human life, dignity or value. You and your govt. and all its supporters disgust me all around. The type of creeps that enjoy suffering of others, as you enjoy mocking children ..
and stealing civilian body parts.. truly sick individuals unleashed upon the world!
irrelevant gibberish and pity from you is equal to plant fertilizer you can shove it!
Again, it isn't your 'cross to bear' whether he was a despot or not, you and your type have no moral or ethical or legal reason to be there and do worst!
I am not glued to fox with my pork rinds and beer jugs lapping up feces as Murdoch dispenses .. denial and frank ignorance and stupidity is only yours to keep!
You do that!
all the best
You don't even know me, to be able to make such wild claims!
I don not support any government of the world!
I do not support any army of the world!
I do not support any war of the world!
Nothing in this world or this life represents me!
And I do not watch fox!
Face up to what is done in the name of islam, by those who call themselves muslims!
I guess your rhetoric is aimed at deflecting the issues hey!
If you regard them as muslims, who set a good example of islam in action, then I pity you!
irrelevant gibberish and pity from you is equal to plant fertilizer you can shove it!
saddam had statues and
pictures of himself everywhere, which must count as idolatry according to islam?
Again, it isn't your 'cross to bear' whether he was a despot or not, you and your type have no moral or ethical or legal reason to be there and do worst!
So sunnis and shi'ites and kurds weren't murdering each other before the yanks went in!
How much in denial are you?
I am not glued to fox with my pork rinds and beer jugs lapping up feces as Murdoch dispenses .. denial and frank ignorance and stupidity is only yours to keep!
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888
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How will islam prevail over all rellgions?
You tell me. I want to know how you interpreted that verse.
format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888
[COLOR=blue]Perhaps it's the different sects that murder each other?
There are two major sects, Sunni and Shia. The Shia's have established their own Islamic state in Iran, no Sunni was killed in the process.
The Sunni have yet to establish the Caliphate, and nor will we murder those of other sects.
Although some denialist's will probably blame everything on the Jews and the west!
Like how the West blames everything on Muslims for the instability in the Middle East?
Both sides are to be blamed, to some extent.
At least some Muslims acknowledged that some Muslims have done bad things. The western government officially have yet announced the mistakes they have made.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow
You tell me. I want to know how you interpreted that verse.
There are two major sects, Sunni and Shia. The Shia's have established their own Islamic state in Iran, no Sunni was killed in the process.
The Sunni have yet to establish the Caliphate, and nor will we murder those of other sects.
Like how the West blames everything on Muslims for the instability in the Middle East?
Both sides are to be blamed, to some extent.
At least some Muslims acknowledged that some Muslims have done bad things. The western government officially have yet announced the mistakes they have made.
I have not interpreted the verse! Hence my question!
The Victory.
[48.28] He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions; and Allah is enough for a witness.
But, I would like to see the muslim understanding of it please!
And as for sunni v shi'ite! And let's not forget the kurds!
I googled 'sunni vs shiite.'
I cannot post links.
Hardly brotherly love?:
What the Shi'ites say about Sunni Muslims
Dear Brothers and Sisters in Islam, what I am going to show you is the truth about what the Shi'ites think of us Sunni Muslims. The Shi'ites may tell you that we are the same and that they love us but beware because the Shi'ites also believe that it is okay and that they will get lots of reward for lying to Sunni Muslims about what they beleive in....Below is the truth that the Shi'ites tried to hide from us for so long, it exposes the pure hatred that they hold against the Sunni Muslims. (the Shi'ites practise Taqayyah which means to conceal or lie about their beleifs) Mohammad bin Al-hassan Toosi reports on the authority of Ishhaq bin Ammar, that Abu Abdullah said "The wealth, the property and everything which belongs to a Sunni is actually yours (is legal for you)" (Tahzib-ul Ahkam, Vol. 2 Kitabul Makasib, p. 116, published in Iran) above in this Shi'ites book it states that all Shi'ites can steal from any Sunni Muslim and that there is nothing wrong with that. Moallah Khonas reported that Abdullah said "snatch the possessions of a Sunni whereever you find it and hand over my share (ie. One fifth) to me" (Tahzib ul Ahkam). Brothers and Sisters in Islam these Shi'ites think that they can steal our possessions and who knows what else they would like to do to us Sunni Muslims! The Shi'ites say this regarding Sunni Muslims "Although Allah, the Exalted, has not created a creature worse than a dog, yet a Nasbi (ie. A Sunni) is worse than even a dog." (Haqqul Yakeen (Persian) Vol 2, P. 516) Here the Shi'ites have said that Sunni Muslims are worse than Dogs! The Shi'ites say that we will never go to Paradise! "It is contained in several sources of information that they, (the assumed Imams of Shias) said: 'Should every angel that Allah, the Exalted and Gracious, has created, every prophet that Allah has appointed, every truthfull martyr, (collectively) pray to Allah, the Exalted and Gracious, to release a Nasbi (a Sunni) from the Hell, Allah would never release him." (Haqqul-Yaqeen, (Arabic), Vol. 2 P. 192) This is what the Shi'ites realy think about us!!! They say that if anyone who is a Sunni Muslim will go to Hell!!! Don't these Shi'ites know what they are saying?? This is what the Shi'ites say will happen when their so-called Imams will return "When Qaem alaihissalam appears, he will start slaughtering Sunnis and their Ulema before slaughtering the infidels (kuffar)." (By the term "Quem" the Shi'ites mean Imam Mahdi, their twelveth Imam) So here the Shi'ites state that we are not Muslims, and that we are worse than the infidels (kuffar)
So dear Brothers and Sisters, how can the Shi'ites expect us to be friends with them when they Insult us and call us Kauffar behind our backs. So when a Shi'ite Insults a Sunni he is also Insulting all the Scholars and all of those pious people in Islam, can't these Shi'ites see what is wrong with their own beleifs???
May Allah Guide the Shi'ites to the True Islam, and May Allah show us what the Shi'ites really are, Ameen.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888
[COLOR=blue]I have not interpreted the verse! Hence my question!
Fine. I was just interested to see what you have to say about that verse.
Muslims desire to spread Islam however we cannot force anyone to convert. How Islam will prevail you ask? By Muslims setting a good Islam and spreading the knowledge of Islam.
The Victory.
Catch phrase?
But, I would like to see the muslim understanding of it please!
But, I'm no expert. I will probably take it out of context like I've done in the past.
And as for sunni v shi'ite! And let's not forget the kurds!
I googled 'sunni vs shiite.'
I cannot post links.
Hardly brotherly love?:
I never said it was brotherly love. There is a problem between Sunni and Shia Muslims, however, this problem is for them to resolve.
If the West intervene, they should get involved as mediators.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Watcher888
You don't even know me, to be able to make such wild claims!
Your writing/garbage is telling of your person!
I don not support any government of the world!
Then why all this advocacy for the good the 'yanks' have brought to Iraq or elsewhere?
I do not support any army of the world!
I do not support any war of the world!
Nothing in this world or this life represents me!
And I do not watch fox!
You seem desperate to rectify all the crap you spew on various threads by extricating yourself from it.. we call that hypocrisy!
Face up to what is done in the name of islam, by those who call themselves muslims!
Muslims can do as they please in their sovereign nations. You need to busy yourself with your own affairs!
]I guess your rhetoric is aimed at deflecting the issues hey!
What issues you twit?
have a good one!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow
What ''instability?''
Pakistan for example, who the joint forces listed as a country that could be in for a "rapid and sudden collapse."
Could you imagine the ramifications of pakistan becoming a failed state? Portions of the state aren't even under the governments control. What if pakistans nuclear weapons fall into the wrong hands?
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by ChargerCarl
Pakistan for example, who the joint forces listed as a country that could be in for a "rapid and sudden collapse."
I think that is due to ethnic divisions and corruption.
Could you imagine the ramifications of pakistan becoming a failed state? Portions of the state aren't even under the governments control.
True.
What if pakistans nuclear weapons fall into the wrong hands?
Like who?
The "islamic state" isn't really that bothersome, its the instability.
It does not explain how an Islamic state would cause instability. It will unite Muslim countries under one banner, including those living in Pakistan. It should clear up any ethnic divisions.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Re: Unity of muslim nation is deemed necessary now.
format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow
It does not explain how an Islamic state would cause instability. It will unite Muslim countries under one banner, including those living in Pakistan. It should clear up any ethnic divisions.
I don't remember saying, or anyone else for that matter, that an Islamic state would cause instability.
My point is that now, more than ever, is it possible for a small group of individuals to inflict catastrophic damage onto other nations and that in order to avoid such acts of terror a strong, stable government is required to actively prevent such a thing from taking place.
Last edited by ChargerCarl; 01-02-2011 at 10:31 PM.
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