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    The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is the Elimination of the Darwinist Mindset and the Establishment of Islamic Union

    The uprising in Egypt, following on the heels of the events in Tunisia, shows that changes are going to take place in both the region and the Islamic world as a whole. It is an evident fact that the non-democratic regimes in several Islamic countries, not just Tunisia and Egypt, have for years repressed their peoples. These regimes’ unjust policies are also known to have inflicted hunger and poverty on their peoples. The need to alter this mindset, that prohibits the public from expressing its opinions, freely living by its faith and openly discussing Islam and that represses those who fail to heed these prohibitions by means of torture, imprisonment and even death is equally apparent.


    However, this change cannot come about by way of street conflict, looting and violence. No change brought about through violence will bring the peace, security and well-being that people need and long for. Some partial successes and progress may be achieved, but permanent and satisfying solutions are impossible. A permanent and realistic solution is only possible by adhering to the path shown by Allah and our Prophet (saas).

    For that reason, while our brothers living in Tunisia, Egypt and other Islamic countries express their legitimate grievances and strive for their fundamental human rights, they must do this in a manner compatible with the Qur’an and the Sunnah of our Prophet (saas). Allah will not bestow the desired success if the path revealed by Him and shown by our Prophet (saas) is ignored.

    Another important matter that must not be forgotten in evaluating these events in the Arab world is the damage caused by the Darwinist materialist mindset with which the Arab world has been indoctrinated for the last 100 years or so.

    Darwinism has inflicted terrible suffering on the Arab world

    The events that began in Tunisia and spread to Egypt and the disorder and conflict that has begun in the Islamic world is a sign that we are living in a very significant time. Our Prophet (saas) has described in detail how such events will take place in the End Times. The anger stemming from Muslims being disunited and from some Muslims not adopting a conception of Islam based on love, peace and friendship has led Muslims to be fragmented among themselves.

    The most important reason for this disorder and division is the survival in Tunisia and especially in Egypt of this Darwinist and materialist mindset that has been around for such a long time, and the resulting failure to live fully by the spirit of peace and love bestowed by the Qur’an. Darwinist education has for long been emphasized in Egypt and young people have been brought up to be Darwinists and materialists. The conference on evolution in Alexandria some 14 months ago and the Darwinist education that still persists there are clear proof of the scale of the Darwinist hypnosis in Egypt. (You can read a detailed piece on the subject here.) The oppression of Islamic communities and groups, the ban on freedom of religion, the lack of equality of income and the attacks on Christians are all the results of the Darwinist materialist mindset in question, a total violation of the moral values of the Qur’an. The way that recent protests that should have been democratic but have sometimes turned into aggression, looting and violence are the fruit of the same mindset.

    Arab socialism, which is based on Darwinism, emerged as a movement that combined extreme nationalism and a fanatical third world leftism and was essentially supported by the old Soviet Union, as is well known. (For further detail on Arab socialism, see here.) Arab socialism combined a slightly milder version of Soviet-type communism with a strict Arab nationalism and first came to power in Egypt. Gamal Abdel Nasser, one of the military officers who overthrew the king of Egypt, exhibited a concept of power that soon came to inflict repression on Muslims. One of the main features of the Nasser regime, under which Islamic scholars such as Sayyid Qutb, Muhammad Qutb and Hassan-al Banna were executed and thousands of Muslims were tortured and killed, is the way that it made Darwinist education obligatory. This led to generations described as Muslims on their identity documents but who had nothing to do with the true values of Islam. Young people brought up under Darwinist, materialist and socialist indoctrination turned out to be ruthless, selfish and violent, rather than displaying the love, compassion, reason and moderation commanded in the Qur’an. The result was whole masses of people who believed that the way to obtain their rights was through violence and conflict.

    However, it must not be forgotten that the mindset that seeks conflict between Muslims and Christians and Jews is that of the dajjal. At this time, the End Times, when the corruption of the dajjal is most widespread, the greatest blow that can be dealt the dajjal is to put an end to the Darwinist, materialist mindset and seek Islamic Union.

    So long as the fragmentation of Muslims persists and the Darwinist, materialist mindset does not come to an end, no protest or conflict in Egypt, nor any measure brought in to oppose them nor any other policy or prohibition will bring a solution with it. On the contrary, the Muslim populace has always suffered and been the loser because of such events. They have always led to the Muslim populace suffering and being oppressed. Therefore, the solution to oppression, suffering and injustice lies not in pouring onto the streets, fighting the police and army, looting museums and generally terrifying the civilian population, but in abandoning the Darwinist mindset and calling on Muslims to be brothers. Almighty Allah is sending Muslims an important message through such events, showing them the results of fragmentation and reminding them of the need to abandon the mindset that the Darwinist, materialist perspective brings with it.

    Therefore, the Darwinist, materialist mindset has to be opposed through knowledge, learning and science if this conflict, pain, suffering and oppressive system is to come to an end. The best thing to that end is to concentrate on the scientific evidence that proves the fact of Creation, and to keep broadcasting the fact that Darwinism is the worst fraud in history and that it has only survived through fraud and deception, as well as the bloodshed, war, cruelty, instability, division and lovelessness for which it is responsible.

    The theory of evolution, under the global protection of the Darwinist dictatorship, has been spread by the same dictatorial methods in Egypt, too, and Darwinist publications and the education system still operate under the influence of the Darwinist dictatorship. There must be an intellectual campaign against this, and the Muslim people of Egypt must be freed from the corruption of the dajjal. The Darwinist mindset that led to the slaughter of more than 350 million people in the time of the First and Second world wars in several countries is today the main reason for the strife, terror, wars, disagreements and anarchy in the world. This scourge of Darwinism must be put to an end as a matter of urgency, using intellectual methods, and the Egyptian public must be told of the spirit of peace and love bestowed by the moral values of the Qur’an. There is no doubt that the great majority of the Egyptian public live by the morals of the Qur’an and the Sunnah of our Prophet (saas) in the finest manner, but it is a matter of urgency for those still under the influence of Darwinism to be saved, as well.

    The solution to problems is Islamic Union under the leadership of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)

    It is an obvious fact needing to be kept before the public eye that Darwinist, materialist and various bigoted and fanatical circles are trying to divide Muslims in particular and also to inculcate them with a spirit of hostility toward Christians and Jews. These circles have for years been conspiring against Muslim countries and populaces.

    The only way of putting an end to this, to eliminating the influence of these circles and ensuring that Muslims can live in peace and union is the establishment of Islamic Union under Turkish leadership. It is essential that people insistently demand Turkish-Islamic Union rather than street protests and artificial solutions. To that end, the way of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) must constantly be kept on the agenda. If the spirit of union and unity of the Age of Bliss is to be rebuilt, then we must strive for Turkish-Islamic Union under Turkish leadership. Only through unity under the leadership of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), as described by our Prophet (saas), can the whole Islamic world be liberated and live in peace, love and happiness, and at the same time can Christians and Jews also enjoy ease, peace, and security within that spirit of friendship.

    It is vitally important for Christians and Jews to be honored by the radiance of the Qur’an
    What Muslims must do is to base their activities on the warm and peaceful spirit of the Qur’an, rid themselves of the conditioning and nonsense of bigots and seek to establish a climate of unity and security by embracing all Muslims, and at the same time Jews and Christians. They must tell people of the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and demand Turkish-Islamic Union everywhere and at every opportunity. Christians and Jews must not forget that they are under Muslims’ protection and entrusted to them. Muslims must call them to Islam with kindness and affection. It is vitally important for all Christians and Jews to achieve happiness and for them to become followers of the Prophet Muhammad (saas) and be honored by the radiance of the Qur’an. Since the Turkish-Islamic Union will also include them in its protection, the Islamic world must strive together for that purpose and treat Christians and Jews with love and affection. Writers, leading members of all communities and all Muslims, with or without means, must all spread the glad tidings of Turkish-Islamic Union and spread these tidings across the world. It is most urgent that they tell of the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and keep the subject constantly on the agenda. There is no doubt that Almighty Allah will never bestow success on those who oppose the way of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). But those who demand and strive for his way will be victorious, and will enjoy the material and spiritual rule and victory promised by Almighty Allah.

    It is wrong to say “What good can my efforts do?”


    Almighty Allah created the whole universe to be metaphysical. Everything happens by the will of Almighty Allah, Lord of the worlds. Even if events appear to be dependent on natural causes, Allah actually creates those causes and they are all under His control. Therefore, even if conditions and means suggest the opposite, Allah has the power to change all conditions and environments in the manner that He wills and in a single moment. Muslims must never forget this fact.

    Almighty Allah has told us that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will appear in the climate of disorder and corruption in the End Times and will strive against that corruption that enfolds the world. By our Lord’s leave, the corruption of the dajjal will be eliminated from the world as a result of this activity by the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), all superstitious systems will collapse and the world will witness a Golden Age that enjoys all the delights of the Age of Bliss and when the moral values of Islam spread right across the Earth. This holy victory at such a difficult time is promised by Allah in the Qur’an, and Allah’s promise will certainly come true.

    The dimension and scale of corruption is no measure in this universe created to be metaphysical by Allah. Our Lord will respond to sincere prayer and heed the requests of all those who desire Turkish-Islamic Union. Any effort made for the sake of the coming of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), no matter how small it may seem, will definitely be rewarded most finely by our Lord.

    However, this must not be forgotten: Muslims must trust in Allah and believe that the solution, unity and happiness can come from Allah alone. They must honestly have faith that Allah will change everything in this metaphysical world and cause it to all work out for the best. If they say, “We can do it on our own and find our own solutions” then their pain and suffering will never end. They must submit to whatever our Almighty Lord ordains and sincerely believe that He will liberate the whole world by way of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). That submission will open the door to an immaculate world of peace, security and brotherhood, not just for our brothers in Egypt, but for all Muslims.


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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

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    They can indeed vote on the matters that matter to them!
    Give me one example of non-Muslims voting alongside Muslims on something under a true sharia government.
    The Majlis ashura would decide the laws similar to the "parliment" (this has nothing to do with democracy) as the law and democracy are 2 different things
    No, in a democracy the people elect those that create the laws. That is what parliaments and congresses do, they create laws. If the laws are created by people who are not elected then it is not a democracy.

    He could if he was willing to uphold the sharia and protect the people - but that would be up to the people like a democracy
    Are you seriously arguing that a non-Muslim could be khalifa? That is just completely absurd.

    Nothing to do with democracy - the minority will be able to govern themselves and handle there own affairs anway - they should be protected by the government and the law.
    Yeah, separate but equal. Sharia meet Jim Crow.

    No idea where you got this idea from. The khalifa rules as long as he upholds the rights of the people and the law.
    Tell me when a khalifa was removed from power for not upholding the rights of the people and the law.

    In fact Non-Muslims are treated far better under sharia'a law than Muslims under so-called democracy..
    Really? Would you rather be a Jew in Spain in the 1400's or in the United States or Europe in 2010? Would you rather be a Hindu in the UK or a Hindu under Muslim rule?

    And if you really didn't like the treatment of Muslims under "so-called democracy" then you wouldn't live in the United States.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Give me one example of non-Muslims voting alongside Muslims on something under a true sharia government.
    Are there any examples of Sharia govt. right now for us to take a live example?


    No, in a democracy the people elect those that create the laws. That is what parliaments and congresses do, they create laws. If the laws are created by people who are not elected then it is not a democracy.
    You 'amend' not create laws, the constitution is a done deal such as sharia law, whatever new conditions arise are to be convened upon in a similar fashion using the fundamentals!


    Are you seriously arguing that a non-Muslim could be khalifa? That is just completely absurd.
    Are you seriously arguing that a Muslim can be president in the west? That is just completely absurd!


    Yeah, separate but equal. Sharia meet Jim Crow.
    I have no idea what this drivel means!



    Tell me when a khalifa was removed from power for not upholding the rights of the people and the law.
    When a true khilafah is established and a khalif doesn't uphold the rights we can have this conversation !


    Really? Would you rather be a Jew in Spain in the 1400's or in the United States or Europe in 2010? Would you rather be a Hindu in the UK or a Hindu under Muslim rule?
    I'd rather be a Muslim ALWAYS insha'Allah..
    And if you really didn't like the treatment of Muslims under "so-called democracy" then you wouldn't live in the United States.
    It is a matter of lesser of two evils rather than like or love!

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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    Are there any examples of Sharia govt. right now for us to take a live example?
    No, but you have centuries of history to look back on.

    You 'amend' not create laws, the constitution is a done deal such as sharia law, whatever new conditions arise are to be convened upon in a similar fashion using the fundamentals!
    Wrong. Parliaments create new laws all the time.

    Are you seriously arguing that a Muslim can be president in the west? That is just completely absurd!
    The same would have been said about a black man or a woman in the past. There are no laws not allowing a Muslim to be president.

    Will you argue that a non-Muslim can be khalifa?

    Yeah, separate but equal. Sharia meet Jim Crow.
    I have no idea what this drivel means!
    That doesn't surprise me one bit.
    When a true khilafah is established and a khalif doesn't uphold the rights we can have this conversation !
    I repeat: You have centuries of history to look at and find me an example.
    I'd rather be a Muslim ALWAYS insha'Allah..
    Let me rephrase the question then, since you are avoiding answering it:

    Would you rather be treated like a Jew in Spain in the 1400's or like one in the United States or Europe in 2010? Would you rather be treated like a Hindu in the UK or a Hindu under Muslim rule?
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    No, but you have centuries of history to look back on.
    And it has unfolded exactly as was decreed!

    "The Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a Khilafah Rashida (rightly guided) according to the ways of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Afterwards there will be a hereditary leadership, which will remain for as long as Allah wills, and then He will lift it if He wishes. Afterwards, there will be biting oppression, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a Khilafah Rashida according to the ways of the Prophethood." Then he kept silent. (Musnad Imam Ahmad (v/273))


    Wrong. Parliaments create new laws all the time.
    Laws aren't born ex nihilo they're born of the human condition which hasn't changed for thousands of years!

    The same would have been said about a black man or a woman in the past. There are no laws not allowing a Muslim to be president.
    yeah come speak to me when morons don't stand outside a stretch of squares blocks from the WTC protesting the building of a 'Mosque'
    Will you argue that a non-Muslim can be khalifa?
    Will you argue that a Muslim can rule America? Again, no constitution is based on the exception!


    That doesn't surprise me one bit.
    Then why engage in worthless rhetoric?

    I repeat: You have centuries of history to look at and find me an example.
    See paragraph one .. and indeed it was the Islamic world not the christian west that was a beacon for freedom and enlightenment to the world 'looking back at centuries!


    Let me rephrase the question then, since you are avoiding answering it:

    Would you rather be treated like a Jew in Spain in the 1400's or like one in the United States or Europe in 2010? Would you rather be treated like a Hindu in the UK or a Hindu under Muslim rule?
    rephrasing doesn't make it any less credible. I'd not be a Hindu or a Jew, and I'd always rather be under Islamic rule and Islamic law, than one of biting oppression!


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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    Will you argue that a Muslim can rule America? Again, no constitution is based on the exception!
    Yes, most certainly.

    And it has unfolded exactly as was decreed!
    Avoiding the question? The answer is "no example of non-Muslims voting under Sharia exists in history"
    Laws aren't born ex nihilo they're born of the human condition which hasn't changed for thousands of years!
    Avoiding the point. The truth is that parliaments do continually create new laws.

    Then why engage in worthless rhetoric?
    Because those who read the post and actually do know what the terms "separate but equal" and "Jim Crow" refer to will understand my point. I don't intend to dumb down my responses so that you can understand them.
    See paragraph one .. and indeed it was the Islamic world not the christian west that was a beacon for freedom and enlightenment to the world 'looking back at centuries!
    You avoid the answer again. The truth is that religious minorities are treated better, as a whole, in the West today than they ever were under Sharia. In a democracy they are equals. Under Sharia they are inherently inferiors.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Yes, most certainly.
    Then you're delusional and further proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.. google 'Obama is a Muslim' and see the kind of vitriol that surrounds that!


    Avoiding the question? The answer is "no example of non-Muslims voting under Sharia exists in history"
    voting for what? perhaps you can bring us an example where non-muslims wanted to vote for something and were denied it!

    Avoiding the point. The truth is that parliaments do continually create new laws.
    Not avoiding the point at all making a statement of truth, something that is painfully difficult for you to grasp!


    Because those who read the post and actually do know what the terms "separate but equal" and "Jim Crow" refer to will understand my point. I don't intend to dumb down my responses so that you can understand them.
    I don't think your responses can get any dumber quite frankly.

    You avoid the answer again. The truth is that religious minorities are treated better, as a whole, in the West today than they ever were under Sharia. In a democracy they are equals. Under Sharia they are inherently inferiors.
    Yeah, tell that to my friend who was thrown out of a store for being Muslim, or the other that was almost mowed down for wearing a hijab. Under sharia law an army arose for one woman that was humiliated by a jeweler when she called upon the khalif to protect her honor.. under 'democracy' of the west you can be held in cells without trial apparently.

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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Democracy is a system of government. It not simply voting one time then never again.

    So, if the people vote for Sharia they are voting against democracy. If they vote for a dictatorship they are voting against democracy. If they vote for a king they are voting against democracy.

    The people say they want democracy, but if they simply want to vote in a Sharia government or another autocratic leader then they do not want democracy, they simply want to vote one time.

    Do you see the difference?
    Democracy is such a bizarre system. You can use this system to end democracy itself and introduce a completely different system.

    Yes, most certainly.
    In theory yes, but in reality, no. It is like communism, a theory that sounds nice but difficult to put into practice.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    Then you're delusional and further proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.. google 'Obama is a Muslim' and see the kind of vitriol that surrounds that!
    If your question is whether or not a Muslim could be elected president this year then you are correct, I don't see that happening. If you are talking about whether or not a Muslim could be elected president under our system then the answer is most certainly.

    And this topic is about systems.

    voting for what? perhaps you can bring us an example where non-muslims wanted to vote for something and were denied it!
    Back when the Jizya was higher than the tax on Muslims I am sure they would have loved to vote to change that, but since they were not allowed any say in the situation it did not matter. That is just one example of many.

    Yeah, tell that to my friend who was thrown out of a store for being Muslim, or the other that was almost mowed down for wearing a hijab. Under sharia law an army arose for one woman that was humiliated by a jeweler when she called upon the khalif to protect her honor.. under 'democracy' of the west you can be held in cells without trial apparently.
    Yes, tell us how Sharia treats minorities well. Ask the 4,000 Jews that were slaughtered in Granada, Spain in 1066. Ask all the others Jews who were told at the time to convert or die. You want to compare that to being kicked out of a store? (which, by the way, may be liable for a civil suit under US law).
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    If your question is whether or not a Muslim could be elected president this year then you are correct, I don't see that happening. If you are talking about whether or not a Muslim could be elected president under our system then the answer is most certainly.

    And this topic is about systems.



    Back when the Jizya was higher than the tax on Muslims I am sure they would have loved to vote to change that, but since they were not allowed any say in the situation it did not matter. That is just one example of many.



    Yes, tell us how Sharia treats minorities well. Ask the 4,000 Jews that were slaughtered in Granada, Spain in 1066. Ask all the others Jews who were told at the time to convert or die. You want to compare that to being kicked out of a store? (which, by the way, may be liable for a civil suit under US law).
    how much higher was the jizya?
    you do know that muslims give a percentage for zakat aswell.

    anyway i pay taxes as it is, although i dont earn much.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus
    Yes, tell us how Sharia treats minorities well. Ask the 4,000 Jews that were slaughtered in Granada, Spain in 1066. Ask all the others Jews who were told at the time to convert or die.
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    Wikipedia Article

    You can also look up any biography of Maimonides, or do any research on the Almohad Caliphate and their treatment of non-muslims.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    If your question is whether or not a Muslim could be elected president this year then you are correct, I don't see that happening. If you are talking about whether or not a Muslim could be elected president under our system then the answer is most certainly.
    In other words you're creating a very unlikely hypothetical yet asking me to list facts about another hypothetical?
    And this topic is about systems.
    Yes indeed remind yourself of the topic at hand so you can stay the course!


    Back when the Jizya was higher than the tax on Muslims I am sure they would have loved to vote to change that, but since they were not allowed any say in the situation it did not matter. That is just one example of many.
    Go ahead and show me where Jizyah was higher than tax and charity that Muslims have paid plus of their lives for protecting the rights of non-Muslims!


    Yes, tell us how Sharia treats minorities well. Ask the 4,000 Jews that were slaughtered in Granada, Spain in 1066. Ask all the others Jews who were told at the time to convert or die. You want to compare that to being kicked out of a store? (which, by the way, may be liable for a civil suit under US law).
    Yeah go ahead and bring us a historically accurate source to said claims.. I don't compare it to a Muslim life lost in Gitmo, Abu gharib or Afghanistan, or palestine under the so-called democratic west since one appears to be a fact and the other your active imagination and that of other dhaleen like your person!

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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Wikipedia Article

    You can also look up any biography of Maimonides, or do any research on the Almohad Caliphate and their treatment of non-muslims.
    Oh yes, faithful wiki, the fools guide to scholarship.. btw where did Maimonides settle and write his book against Muslims? was it in the christian or secular west?
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    many deliberately choose to ignore is that of the Muslim presence in southern Spain for nearly eight centuries. Described as Islam's Golden Age, this was a time when the Islamic civilization flourished. It was centuries ahead of northern Europe in the way arts and sciences were encouraged and in the way cities and towns were advanced well beyond anything in Germany, France, or England at the same time.
    During this Golden Age, the rights of Christians and Jews were respected and honored, and many of them rose to high positions at court. When the Catholic monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella reconquered southern Spain, Muslims and Jews were either forced to convert to Christianity or were put to death. Mosques and synagogues were desecrated and destroyed. The excesses of the Spanish Inquisition had begun.


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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post

    Yes, tell us how Sharia treats minorities well. Ask the 4,000 Jews that were slaughtered in Granada, Spain in 1066. Ask all the others Jews who were told at the time to convert or die. You want to compare that to being kicked out of a store? (which, by the way, may be liable for a civil suit under US law).
    I should make myself clear. Find me evidence where the Sharia permits the slaughter of religious/ethnic minorities and are allowed to force non-Muslims to convert?

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Wikipedia Article

    You can also look up any biography of Maimonides, or do any research on the Almohad Caliphate and their treatment of non-muslims.
    Wiki? Not a reliable source. No references too. Where does it mention about forcing Jews to convert?

    Lewis even mentions this:

    Lewis continues: "Diatribes such as Abu Ishaq's and massacres such as that in Granada in 1066 are of rare occurrence in Islamic history.
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    Vale,

    You and others seem to have been taught that life was paradise under Muslim rule for non-Muslims. This was not the case.

    Yes, life was better for Jews under Muslim rule than under Christian rule 1000 years ago. It was, at the time, the lesser of two evils. (similar to how you describe being a Muslim and living in the United States now). It was not paradise, not even close.

    Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims were, by law, second class citizens. They inherently had less rights and less freedoms than Muslims. While exception did occur, for the most part non-Muslims were not allowed to hold public office of any kind and had no say in how they were governed.

    Learn the real history. If you do you will understand the mass exodus of non-Muslims when any country implements Sharia.

    Also read about Jim Crow, Vales, since you have already stated you don't know what it means. It concerns the treatment of blacks in the United States decades ago, and the laws that claimed to make them equal, yet in reality made them second class citizens with less rights than white. It has many parallels to non-Muslims under Sharia.

    Sharia is great if you are a devout Muslim. It is heaven on Earth for them. Do not delude yourself, though, into believing that the same is true, or ever has been true, for non-Muslims under the same system.
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    Wiki? Not a reliable source. No references too. Where does it mention about forcing Jews to convert?
    Bernard Lewis is one of the sources. What other source, which I can find on the internet and not in my library, would you find acceptable? Are there any sources for Muslim history on the internet that you would acknowledge?
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Bernard Lewis is one of the sources.What other source, which I can find on the internet and not in my library, would you find acceptable? Are there any sources for Muslim history on the internet that you would acknowledge?
    In general I dislike sources from the Internet. I usually prefer books. There was nothing in that article to suggest that Jews were forced to convert. Anyway, address my post:

    Find me evidence where the Sharia permits the slaughter of religious/ethnic minorities and are allowed to force non-Muslims to convert?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Vale,

    You and others seem to have been taught that life was paradise under Muslim rule for non-Muslims. This was not the case.

    Yes, life was better for Jews under Muslim rule than under Christian rule 1000 years ago. It was, at the time, the lesser of two evils. (similar to how you describe being a Muslim and living in the United States now). It was not paradise, not even close.

    Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims were, by law, second class citizens. They inherently had less rights and less freedoms than Muslims. While exception did occur, for the most part non-Muslims were not allowed to hold public office of any kind and had no say in how they were governed.

    Learn the real history. If you do you will understand the mass exodus of non-Muslims when any country implements Sharia.

    Also read about Jim Crow, Vales, since you have already stated you don't know what it means. It concerns the treatment of blacks in the United States decades ago, and the laws that claimed to make them equal, yet in reality made them second class citizens with less rights than white. It has many parallels to non-Muslims under Sharia.

    Sharia is great if you are a devout Muslim. It is heaven on Earth for them. Do not delude yourself, though, into believing that the same is true, or ever has been true, for non-Muslims under the same system.

    I never said it was paradise, in fact I have quoted a hadith quite to the contrary, of you'd bothered read anything anyone writes at all. However I prefer to indeed live under Islamic law, for the law itself is just rulers come and go, some good some not so good.. that is history, it is history as made by the people. The perfect law has nothing to do with how some carry out the law. All in all the Muslim world has proven itself a beacon regardless, Islam had a history of 800 years in Spain, one incident whether occurred as described or not will not put a dent in that..

    and finally it really isn't up to you to tinkle your pearls on how the people of Egypt ought to run their govt. or to speculate on their wants.. fact is all dictatorship currently in the middle east is a result of a secular system not an Islamic one..

    want to talk about getting an education, I suggest you enroll yourself in some basic courses preferably of logic and the politics of nations before arguing with us on our understanding of our religion!

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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Vale,

    You and others seem to have been taught that life was paradise under Muslim rule for non-Muslims. This was not the case.

    Yes, life was better for Jews under Muslim rule than under Christian rule 1000 years ago. It was, at the time, the lesser of two evils. (similar to how you describe being a Muslim and living in the United States now). It was not paradise, not even close.

    Jews, Christians and other non-Muslims were, by law, second class citizens. They inherently had less rights and less freedoms than Muslims. While exception did occur, for the most part non-Muslims were not allowed to hold public office of any kind and had no say in how they were governed.

    Learn the real history. If you do you will understand the mass exodus of non-Muslims when any country implements Sharia.

    Also read about Jim Crow, Vales, since you have already stated you don't know what it means. It concerns the treatment of blacks in the United States decades ago, and the laws that claimed to make them equal, yet in reality made them second class citizens with less rights than white. It has many parallels to non-Muslims under Sharia.

    Sharia is great if you are a devout Muslim. It is heaven on Earth for them. Do not delude yourself, though, into believing that the same is true, or ever has been true, for non-Muslims under the same system.
    that treatment is not confined to history, the media often make in jokes and spiteful racist comments.. clever editing leave only implied racism, and most of the population are not paranoid.
    ..likening that to treatment of muslims by non muslims is absurd, i mean by muslims of non-muslims under sharia law.

    why look at history when you have already stated on the present, now we can all go shouting "if allah so wills" and maybe we should.. forget oppression and injustice and just do what we are told..see who we serve.

    public office..
    america got a black president finally, unfortunately the rumours of him being muslim were exactly that.
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