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    The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is the Elimination of the Darwinist Mindset and the Establishment of Islamic Union

    The uprising in Egypt, following on the heels of the events in Tunisia, shows that changes are going to take place in both the region and the Islamic world as a whole. It is an evident fact that the non-democratic regimes in several Islamic countries, not just Tunisia and Egypt, have for years repressed their peoples. These regimes’ unjust policies are also known to have inflicted hunger and poverty on their peoples. The need to alter this mindset, that prohibits the public from expressing its opinions, freely living by its faith and openly discussing Islam and that represses those who fail to heed these prohibitions by means of torture, imprisonment and even death is equally apparent.


    However, this change cannot come about by way of street conflict, looting and violence. No change brought about through violence will bring the peace, security and well-being that people need and long for. Some partial successes and progress may be achieved, but permanent and satisfying solutions are impossible. A permanent and realistic solution is only possible by adhering to the path shown by Allah and our Prophet (saas).

    For that reason, while our brothers living in Tunisia, Egypt and other Islamic countries express their legitimate grievances and strive for their fundamental human rights, they must do this in a manner compatible with the Qur’an and the Sunnah of our Prophet (saas). Allah will not bestow the desired success if the path revealed by Him and shown by our Prophet (saas) is ignored.

    Another important matter that must not be forgotten in evaluating these events in the Arab world is the damage caused by the Darwinist materialist mindset with which the Arab world has been indoctrinated for the last 100 years or so.

    Darwinism has inflicted terrible suffering on the Arab world

    The events that began in Tunisia and spread to Egypt and the disorder and conflict that has begun in the Islamic world is a sign that we are living in a very significant time. Our Prophet (saas) has described in detail how such events will take place in the End Times. The anger stemming from Muslims being disunited and from some Muslims not adopting a conception of Islam based on love, peace and friendship has led Muslims to be fragmented among themselves.

    The most important reason for this disorder and division is the survival in Tunisia and especially in Egypt of this Darwinist and materialist mindset that has been around for such a long time, and the resulting failure to live fully by the spirit of peace and love bestowed by the Qur’an. Darwinist education has for long been emphasized in Egypt and young people have been brought up to be Darwinists and materialists. The conference on evolution in Alexandria some 14 months ago and the Darwinist education that still persists there are clear proof of the scale of the Darwinist hypnosis in Egypt. (You can read a detailed piece on the subject here.) The oppression of Islamic communities and groups, the ban on freedom of religion, the lack of equality of income and the attacks on Christians are all the results of the Darwinist materialist mindset in question, a total violation of the moral values of the Qur’an. The way that recent protests that should have been democratic but have sometimes turned into aggression, looting and violence are the fruit of the same mindset.

    Arab socialism, which is based on Darwinism, emerged as a movement that combined extreme nationalism and a fanatical third world leftism and was essentially supported by the old Soviet Union, as is well known. (For further detail on Arab socialism, see here.) Arab socialism combined a slightly milder version of Soviet-type communism with a strict Arab nationalism and first came to power in Egypt. Gamal Abdel Nasser, one of the military officers who overthrew the king of Egypt, exhibited a concept of power that soon came to inflict repression on Muslims. One of the main features of the Nasser regime, under which Islamic scholars such as Sayyid Qutb, Muhammad Qutb and Hassan-al Banna were executed and thousands of Muslims were tortured and killed, is the way that it made Darwinist education obligatory. This led to generations described as Muslims on their identity documents but who had nothing to do with the true values of Islam. Young people brought up under Darwinist, materialist and socialist indoctrination turned out to be ruthless, selfish and violent, rather than displaying the love, compassion, reason and moderation commanded in the Qur’an. The result was whole masses of people who believed that the way to obtain their rights was through violence and conflict.

    However, it must not be forgotten that the mindset that seeks conflict between Muslims and Christians and Jews is that of the dajjal. At this time, the End Times, when the corruption of the dajjal is most widespread, the greatest blow that can be dealt the dajjal is to put an end to the Darwinist, materialist mindset and seek Islamic Union.

    So long as the fragmentation of Muslims persists and the Darwinist, materialist mindset does not come to an end, no protest or conflict in Egypt, nor any measure brought in to oppose them nor any other policy or prohibition will bring a solution with it. On the contrary, the Muslim populace has always suffered and been the loser because of such events. They have always led to the Muslim populace suffering and being oppressed. Therefore, the solution to oppression, suffering and injustice lies not in pouring onto the streets, fighting the police and army, looting museums and generally terrifying the civilian population, but in abandoning the Darwinist mindset and calling on Muslims to be brothers. Almighty Allah is sending Muslims an important message through such events, showing them the results of fragmentation and reminding them of the need to abandon the mindset that the Darwinist, materialist perspective brings with it.

    Therefore, the Darwinist, materialist mindset has to be opposed through knowledge, learning and science if this conflict, pain, suffering and oppressive system is to come to an end. The best thing to that end is to concentrate on the scientific evidence that proves the fact of Creation, and to keep broadcasting the fact that Darwinism is the worst fraud in history and that it has only survived through fraud and deception, as well as the bloodshed, war, cruelty, instability, division and lovelessness for which it is responsible.

    The theory of evolution, under the global protection of the Darwinist dictatorship, has been spread by the same dictatorial methods in Egypt, too, and Darwinist publications and the education system still operate under the influence of the Darwinist dictatorship. There must be an intellectual campaign against this, and the Muslim people of Egypt must be freed from the corruption of the dajjal. The Darwinist mindset that led to the slaughter of more than 350 million people in the time of the First and Second world wars in several countries is today the main reason for the strife, terror, wars, disagreements and anarchy in the world. This scourge of Darwinism must be put to an end as a matter of urgency, using intellectual methods, and the Egyptian public must be told of the spirit of peace and love bestowed by the moral values of the Qur’an. There is no doubt that the great majority of the Egyptian public live by the morals of the Qur’an and the Sunnah of our Prophet (saas) in the finest manner, but it is a matter of urgency for those still under the influence of Darwinism to be saved, as well.

    The solution to problems is Islamic Union under the leadership of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)

    It is an obvious fact needing to be kept before the public eye that Darwinist, materialist and various bigoted and fanatical circles are trying to divide Muslims in particular and also to inculcate them with a spirit of hostility toward Christians and Jews. These circles have for years been conspiring against Muslim countries and populaces.

    The only way of putting an end to this, to eliminating the influence of these circles and ensuring that Muslims can live in peace and union is the establishment of Islamic Union under Turkish leadership. It is essential that people insistently demand Turkish-Islamic Union rather than street protests and artificial solutions. To that end, the way of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) must constantly be kept on the agenda. If the spirit of union and unity of the Age of Bliss is to be rebuilt, then we must strive for Turkish-Islamic Union under Turkish leadership. Only through unity under the leadership of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), as described by our Prophet (saas), can the whole Islamic world be liberated and live in peace, love and happiness, and at the same time can Christians and Jews also enjoy ease, peace, and security within that spirit of friendship.

    It is vitally important for Christians and Jews to be honored by the radiance of the Qur’an
    What Muslims must do is to base their activities on the warm and peaceful spirit of the Qur’an, rid themselves of the conditioning and nonsense of bigots and seek to establish a climate of unity and security by embracing all Muslims, and at the same time Jews and Christians. They must tell people of the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and demand Turkish-Islamic Union everywhere and at every opportunity. Christians and Jews must not forget that they are under Muslims’ protection and entrusted to them. Muslims must call them to Islam with kindness and affection. It is vitally important for all Christians and Jews to achieve happiness and for them to become followers of the Prophet Muhammad (saas) and be honored by the radiance of the Qur’an. Since the Turkish-Islamic Union will also include them in its protection, the Islamic world must strive together for that purpose and treat Christians and Jews with love and affection. Writers, leading members of all communities and all Muslims, with or without means, must all spread the glad tidings of Turkish-Islamic Union and spread these tidings across the world. It is most urgent that they tell of the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and keep the subject constantly on the agenda. There is no doubt that Almighty Allah will never bestow success on those who oppose the way of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). But those who demand and strive for his way will be victorious, and will enjoy the material and spiritual rule and victory promised by Almighty Allah.

    It is wrong to say “What good can my efforts do?”


    Almighty Allah created the whole universe to be metaphysical. Everything happens by the will of Almighty Allah, Lord of the worlds. Even if events appear to be dependent on natural causes, Allah actually creates those causes and they are all under His control. Therefore, even if conditions and means suggest the opposite, Allah has the power to change all conditions and environments in the manner that He wills and in a single moment. Muslims must never forget this fact.

    Almighty Allah has told us that the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) will appear in the climate of disorder and corruption in the End Times and will strive against that corruption that enfolds the world. By our Lord’s leave, the corruption of the dajjal will be eliminated from the world as a result of this activity by the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), all superstitious systems will collapse and the world will witness a Golden Age that enjoys all the delights of the Age of Bliss and when the moral values of Islam spread right across the Earth. This holy victory at such a difficult time is promised by Allah in the Qur’an, and Allah’s promise will certainly come true.

    The dimension and scale of corruption is no measure in this universe created to be metaphysical by Allah. Our Lord will respond to sincere prayer and heed the requests of all those who desire Turkish-Islamic Union. Any effort made for the sake of the coming of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), no matter how small it may seem, will definitely be rewarded most finely by our Lord.

    However, this must not be forgotten: Muslims must trust in Allah and believe that the solution, unity and happiness can come from Allah alone. They must honestly have faith that Allah will change everything in this metaphysical world and cause it to all work out for the best. If they say, “We can do it on our own and find our own solutions” then their pain and suffering will never end. They must submit to whatever our Almighty Lord ordains and sincerely believe that He will liberate the whole world by way of the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). That submission will open the door to an immaculate world of peace, security and brotherhood, not just for our brothers in Egypt, but for all Muslims.


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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Insecured soul View Post
    This would be a dream in 21st century where the entire worlds enemy is islam and its shariah, but allah gives victory to as-sabiruun and allah is ever powerful and wise.
    sooner or later it will happen insha'Allah.. I can't say it will happen now but when Allah swt wills it will come to pass:

    "The Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a Khilafah Rashida (rightly guided) according to the ways of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Afterwards there will be a hereditary leadership, which will remain for as long as Allah wills, and then He will lift it if He wishes. Afterwards, there will be biting oppression, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a Khilafah Rashida according to the ways of the Prophethood." Then he kept silent. (Musnad Imam Ahmad (v/273))


    I think we're definitely in the area of biting oppression -- so hopefully there is light at the end of this insha'Allah

    and Allah swt knows best

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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    Again, Non-Muslims can vote on matters concerning them
    Historically Sharia has shown that non-Muslims, with the extremely rare exception, cannot even hold public office, much less vote. Even Muslims, under Sharia, have hardly ever voted on anything. Power was in the hands of a few, not the populace.

    If there is to be voting, especially among non-Muslims, it would be a new form of Sharia that has never existed before.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Historically Sharia has shown that non-Muslims, with the extremely rare exception, cannot even hold public office, much less vote. Even Muslims, under Sharia, have hardly ever voted on anything. Power was in the hands of a few, not the populace. If there is to be voting, especially among non-Muslims, it would be a new form of Sharia that has never existed before.
    historically the non-Muslims were happy with the way things are run and thus had no complaints else they were welcome to leave where it was more free and enlightening, you know 'Europe the dark ages' of course!
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    Yes, Europe during the dark ages was horrible and Islamic rule was superior at the time.

    That was 1,000 years ago, though. The world has changed a lot since then. What was the best back then would not be so today.

    If Egypt was to implement Sharia I can guarantee you that there would be a mass exodus away from there by non-Muslims, just as there has been a mass exodus of non-Muslims from Muslim countries for the last 80+ years. The difference between now and 1000 years ago is that there does exist a better alternative now and that is the modern West. Egypt can also be a welcoming nation to non-Muslims, but not if they implement a system in which non-Muslims are treated as inferior to Muslims, and that is implicit under Sharia.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Yes, Europe during the dark ages was horrible and Islamic rule was superior at the time.

    That was 1,000 years ago, though. The world has changed a lot since then. What was the best back then would not be so today.

    If Egypt was to implement Sharia I can guarantee you that there would be a mass exodus away from there by non-Muslims, just as there has been a mass exodus of non-Muslims from Muslim countries for the last 80+ years. The difference between now and 1000 years ago is that there does exist a better alternative now and that is the modern West. Egypt can also be a welcoming nation to non-Muslims, but not if they implement a system in which non-Muslims are treated as inferior to Muslims, and that is implicit under Sharia.
    ummmmm they're welcome to their mass exodus... any mass exodus that has happened in the past 80+ yrs didn't occur because of sharia law.. it occurred because secularism doesn't work in Muslim lands (period)..

    btw here is a story of one Iraqi Jew and why he and many like him were forced yes forced to flee, Iraq, Egypt, etc

    http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupatio..._iraqjews.html

    You want to speak of how inferior non-Muslims would be treated then sign up for the Daniel pipes forum or go loan your opinion to the turds on CNN and fox.. they seem to like you know secrets that the rest of us aren't familiar with!

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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar View Post



    Isn't it interesting to note that in the example of USA, the people elect their government who in turn tried so hard to enforce a certain system of governments in many other countries, at the expense of the self determination of those countries' citizens.


    sad but true.



    It seems the VP is stepping up, which is none better, as he is publicly loved by Israel more than they love Mubarak.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    It doesn't
    Then do not make claims if you are not able to back them up with sources.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    Then do not make claims if you are not able to back them up with sources.
    Sharia doesn't "allow" massacres any more than democracy does. That doesn't mean that either form of government does not have a history of such things.

    And considering that we are conversing on the internet, yet you won't accept sources from the internet, I am not quite sure how you want me to supply you with sources.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Sharia doesn't "allow" massacres any more than democracy does. That doesn't mean that either form of government does not have a history of such things.
    Yes, tell us how Sharia treats minorities well. Ask the 4,000 Jews that were slaughtered in Granada, Spain in 1066. Ask all the others Jews who were told at the time to convert or die. You want to compare that to being kicked out of a store? (which, by the way, may be liable for a civil suit under US law).
    I got the impression that you said it was permissible within the Sharia to kill non non-Muslims and force them to convert to Islam. Historically, some Muslims have done terrible things, but it does not mean the Sharia permits these unlawful activities...

    And considering that we are conversing on the internet, yet you won't accept sources from the internet, I am not quite sure how you want me to supply you with sources.
    I said I dislike Internet sources, I never said I will not accept them. The wiki article was irrelevant, since we are discussing about the system of the Sharia.

    For someone with a degree in History, I was hoping you would present better sources.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    Here is another source:

    Jewish Virtual Library

    Also Bernard Lewis has written about it, along with many Jewish scholars including

    BBC Report on Islam in Spain

    It should also be noted that nowhere have I found any sources that deny the massacre took place.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    ^ Better sources.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    Are you saying those sources are better, or are you saying you still require better sources?
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    ^ I meant they are good sources.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Here is another source:

    Jewish Virtual Library

    Also Bernard Lewis has written about it, along with many Jewish scholars including

    BBC Report on Islam in Spain

    It should also be noted that nowhere have I found any sources that deny the massacre took place.
    and??? Tamerlane massacred a lot of people it happend get over it - few acts in history are not the general rule and never have been (you being a history degree holder should know that!) - on a wider scale the muslims have been incredibly tolerant - Christians and Jews have been living in the mid east for centuries - the same cannot be said about Europe about Muslims or even Jews - the wider picture is that they have been persecuted or not even allowed to live there.

    Tolerance is a modern thing for the europeans whilst china, India, the mid east have a history of different faiths living togather for centuries.

    But we can be like you and Judge america on the "ground zero" contreversy or all of europe on the burkha or the minerat ban - I think you'll agree that would be unfair.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Yes, Europe during the dark ages was horrible and Islamic rule was superior at the time.

    That was 1,000 years ago, though. The world has changed a lot since then. What was the best back then would not be so today.

    If Egypt was to implement Sharia I can guarantee you that there would be a mass exodus away from there by non-Muslims, just as there has been a mass exodus of non-Muslims from Muslim countries for the last 80+ years. The difference between now and 1000 years ago is that there does exist a better alternative now and that is the modern West. Egypt can also be a welcoming nation to non-Muslims, but not if they implement a system in which non-Muslims are treated as inferior to Muslims, and that is implicit under Sharia.
    do you think that non muslims are being treated fairly in Egypt Now??? The "modern west" is not the best alternative it helps keep Mubarak in power for goodness sake - another thing is that people are anti immigration atleast in europe they are and they wont be happy with 20 million copts coming in. (so much for tolernace)

    Sharia doesnt mean mass exodus I find hard to believe that the copts will leave Egypt when they have been living there under various conditions for centuries.

    the copts would probably be treated better they would be allowed to have there own courts - cant say the same for the "modern west".
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    Do you think the pious don't sin?

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    Away from the history lessons, it seems Mubarak has now actually gone, folks.BBC
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    ^ Good for the Egyptians. *Throws confetti.*
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    few acts in history are not the general rule and never have been (you being a history degree holder should know that!) - on a wider scale the muslims have been incredibly tolerant .
    As I said, at the time there is no doubt that a religious minority was treated much better under Muslim rule than in Europe.

    - Christians and Jews have been living in the mid east for centuries - the same cannot be said about Europe about Muslims or even Jews - the wider picture is that they have been persecuted or not even allowed to live there
    If you look at the last 100 years, though, you will see a large exodus of Jews and other religious minorities away from Muslim majority nations and towards Europe. Part of this is economic, but part is also because there is more tolerance elsewhere.

    But we can be like you and Judge america on the "ground zero" contreversy or all of europe on the burkha or the minerat ban - I think you'll agree that would be unfair.
    True. I also don't want anyone to think that I believe democracies are automatically tolerant. History shows otherwise, especially American history. The tolerance of a democracy depends solely upon the willingness of the majority to not oppress the minority.

    The issue that I have with Sharia, both in theory and in historical practice, is that when you give control to one religion and you equate the state with that religion then you automatically create a subclass that consists of people who do not follow that religion. If you look at history you will see that even though Christians and Jews were tolerated under Muslim rule they were second class citizens and never as a group were they seen as anything close to equals. In the US the law states that the law cannot differentiate between religions. I know in practice that is not always the case in public life (i.e. the Ground Zero Mosque debacle, harassment of Muslims, etc.), but at least these are not the actions of the government but of individuals.

    The "modern west" is not the best alternative it helps keep Mubarak in power for goodness sake
    Don't confuse a countries religious tolerance with foreign policy. They are two different issues.

    Sharia doesnt mean mass exodus I find hard to believe that the copts will leave Egypt when they have been living there under various conditions for centuries.
    It depends on whose version of Sharia is implemented. There are Islamic "scholars" that are popular that say that under Sharia no other religions are allowed to build places of worship. If a tolerant version of Sharia is implemented then yes, they will stay. If a not so tolerant version is implemented you will see many leave for freedom elsewhere.

    the copts would probably be treated better they would be allowed to have there own courts - cant say the same for the "modern west".
    But under Sharia, if there is a conflict between a Copt and a Muslim which court do they go to? Will a Muslim decide or a Copt? What court would atheists or Hindus use? Would every religion have to set up their own courts?

    Do you believe that a policy of "separate but equal" is feasible? Because I have yet to find an instance in history where it was a success.
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    Re: The Only Solution to the Upheaval in Egypt Is!

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    True. I also don't want anyone to think that I believe democracies are automatically tolerant. History shows otherwise, especially American history. The tolerance of a democracy depends solely upon the willingness of the majority to not oppress the minority.

    The issue that I have with Sharia, both in theory and in historical practice, is that when you give control to one religion and you equate the state with that religion then you automatically create a subclass that consists of people who do not follow that religion. If you look at history you will see that even though Christians and Jews were tolerated under Muslim rule they were second class citizens and never as a group were they seen as anything close to equals. In the US the law states that the law cannot differentiate between religions. I know in practice that is not always the case in public life (i.e. the Ground Zero Mosque debacle, harassment of Muslims, etc.), but at least these are not the actions of the government but of individuals.
    yep, that is the case
    humanity is not perfect..it never can be, but when you have a people who do not cause war at the slightest of error in action or spoken word then you might begin on the path towards that society.

    convincing people of our sincerity even in error of action or spoken word is a very difficult proposition..
    real tolerance is rediculously hard to achieve.

    its a trust thing really, tolerance of differences is strengthened by trust.. mistakes are forgiven if you have spent time with somebody and know them.. yeah i did that but i didnt mean to and you know me better than that..or that is exactly the sort of thing you normally do but i know you are a good person.

    kinda like the wife kicking you under the table just as you are about to make that joke you find really funny.

    so back to religion then.
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