Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble

An odd position for God to hold, as (if He exists) He would be solely responsible for its existence in the first place.

God's rules include 'free will'-- you're responsible for how you handle your adversity (if we can call it that in such a case)!
or else we should also blame God for consensual incest, and consensual necrophilia, and consensual coprophilia, consensual zoophilia.. etc. etc.
after all a certain percentage of the population just really can't help their sexual urges!

format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon

A sincere Christian would never endorse such a move, those who do are simply not Christian. But then, Christianity is a false religion so there is nothing to lose I guess!

Yet, Allah recognises Christianity and in the second Surah, says Christians will find their reward, does it not?

format_quote Originally Posted by Trumble

An odd position for God to hold, as (if He exists) He would be solely responsible for its existence in the first place.

Murder also exists, but God is not responsible if you choose to shoot someone dead. On the other hand, God is most forgiving, there is no sin He can't forgive. I'm currently trying to obtain a book (very hard) about Hell not being eternal and how this was the position of the companions of the prophet (Hz. Omar, Hz. Ali and others). There is a special book written on this by Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya. I had created a thread about this but it's not approved yet. I have nothing further to add; you are free to believe or reject the truth Trumble. You are responsible for your own soul, not me! Peace.

format_quote Originally Posted by Wyatt

Yet, Allah recognises Christianity and in the second Surah, says Christians will find their reward, does it not?

Christianity in its original unaltered form definitely. But as always; God knows best. Only He will decide who will enter Paradise or Hell and He is the ultimate Judge. One of His names is "Al-Hakam" (The Judge!)

Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by titus

I think reality proves you wrong. Look at the world and tell who is being persecuted more, atheists or Muslims? Do you see countries passing laws making things difficult on Atheists? I don't, but I sure see them passing laws that make things tough on some Muslims. Read Pygoscelis's post, he makes it quite clear.

Countries going down the path of debauchery is exactly what we're fighting against and it starts with little things like lewd sexual acts being acceptable to people copulating on the streets like donkeys.. It still doesn't change the fact that atheism or homosexuality are the anomaly and not the norm-- and deviance in whatever form by its nature is bound to be perish or at least marginalized. I wouldn't worry about Muslims.. believe me your great concern will come to a halt soon!

If people weren't prosecuted for their religion you would have a point, but that clearly is not the case either in history or in the current day.

The point you're trying to make is how tandem biking equates to under-water basket weaving.
Your stratification and understanding of the world around you should be shared with like minded individuals, for the umpteenth time-it doesn't fit.
A person can be persecuted for stealing and another persecuted for having brown eyes, does that mean the situation is equal or correct? NO.. one is clearly a thief and the other is genuinely mistreated for something beyond his control. Don't come with some large broom and try to sweep it all beneath the rug as the same thing, since it isn't the same thing. I can't make you understand the difference between right and wrong and frankly you are to be pitied for that. But that is as far as we'll humor this B.S!

But this thread is about Christian churches, not Islam. What the Islamic version of God thinks about homosexuality is fairly irrelevant to the topic.

The topic is about imposing secular laws and a lifestyle that transgresses against religious values on religion. Amazingly enough on an Islamic forum.. You're most certainly welcome not to be a part of either but you're not free to make your own reforms as if so sensical and then tighten the variables where suits and ignore them all together when suits you!


all the best

This is an Islamic forum, you will only hear the Islamic point of view. Maybe you should discuss it elsewhere.

True. And following that logic this thread should never have been approved in the first place since it doesn't involve Islam.

format_quote Originally Posted by titus

True. And following that logic this thread should never have been approved in the first place since it doesn't involve Islam.

It involves Islam very much--since the same movement is trying to stick its tentacles in everyone's basic values. A 'New World Order' is in the making & it may very well succeed in everything except against Islam.. That is why Islam is fought so much (and thanks for pointing it out).. not because it goes against 'Humanistic values' as the enemies allege. But because it is the only thing standing against the downfall of humanity.

all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by titus

No, there are multiple reasons. Some involve misconceptions, but some also involve people like you who feel the need to impose their religious beliefs on non-Muslims.

Not at all.. Islam has been around for millenniums, late in the game to involve misconceptions unless a deliberate move for reasons afore mentioned! Islam has ruled over the Iberian peninsula for 800 years.. Everyone who truly understands it can't help but submit to it and that is in actuality the fear and the prophecy to be fulfilled insha'Allah ..

but you can delude yourself of the reasons of your choosing!

all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by titus

If it is your contention that there are no misconceptions about Islam in the world today then you must not get out much.

To the contrary it is you who lives in a bubble.. Not only was I born in a foreign country- since the age of 40 days I have been traveling the world.. Have you been outside of Texas?

all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon

I was in Turkey in January...while on a short boat trip along the Mediterranean a young Turkish couple next to me were cuddling and kissing during azan. I thought to myself "at least they could have waited till the end of the ezan?", but no. Like you said it starts with small things and now there are Gay Pride Parades and Gay Organizations (in Istanbul in particular).

Turkey will be won back with ''Allah Akbar''

The great war between the Christians and Muslims will result in the Muslims conquering Constantinople (which is modern day Istanbul) without army by the sheer force of Takbeer (Allahu Akbar).
Abu Hurairah reports that the Prophet said, ''Have you heard of a town of which a part is in the sea?''
''Yes'' said they. He said: 'The last hour shall not occur till 70,000 of the children of Isaac shall attack it. When they come to it, they (Muslims) will not fight with arms, nor throw arrows. They will only say: There is no god but Allah, Allah is the greatest, and then on of its sides will fall down. They will recite for the second time : there is no god but Allah, Allah is the greatest, and then another of its side will fall down. After that they will say it for the third time: there is no god but Allah and Allah is the greatest, and then it will be opened for them and they will enter and acquire booty. While they will be dividing the booty, a proclaimer will come to them and proclaim: 'Verily Dajjal has come out. 'Then they will leave everything and return. ' (Muslim)
It should be noted that the conquests will take place a very short period. Abdullah-b-Busr has reported that the Messenger of Allah has said: 'Between the Great War and the conquest of the city (Constantinople) there will be six years, and the Dajjal shall appear in the seventh year,' (abided)
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and to be frank I really like your current PM.. we're moving in the right direction insha'Allah