Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow

I suppose. From what you said, gay people that suppress their sexual urges to please God are living a life of lies. Do not paedophiles suppress their sexual urges? If they are, according to your logic, they are living a life of lives.

I believe God wants people to engage in a sexual relationship with the opposite gender. However, I don't think God determines our sexual orientation. I think the environment plays a role here.

I haven't mentioned homosexual acts. I have merely been talking about the attraction to the other gender. Homosexuality is not just a fetish that can be suppressed. It's the opposite of heterosexuality, where one seeks partnership with the opposite sex.

I think there's a distinction between the seeking of a same-sex partner and the sexual acts. Even though, to me, any attraction, even in personality, is biological in the first place.

I, even as a gay, would be open to the theory that something that wasn't supposed to happen happened in the brain, a mutation of some sort, a genetic error? I also agree that it could also be environmental. But, I do know, that one can't simply be converted to heterosexuality. It can't simply be ignored.

I personally wouldn't label it as a disorder or anything. Just... a variant.

There are also people who feel like they are women trapped in male bodies or vice-versa. I can't relate to them, and to me, it's a bit strange—but I take their word for it because of all people, they would be who knows what it's like.

Sexuality is a complicated subject, and when it's not fully understood by religions nor science, it's bound to be controversial. What's the issue with anything that neither understands, both have completely polar opposite opinions of it? Science tends to take a non-judgmental, apathetic approach while religion tries to take a stance on whether somethings either good or bad.

I don't believe in an intrinsic good or bad, nor would I think my creator would see so. Because, to me, He would have created everything, all possibilities, all matter. To me, good or bad is a mere human conception. Opinions, to me, can't be held as facts. Divine opinion is just kind of... a strange concept to me because everyone says GOD THINKS THIS, GOD THINKS THAT!

and stuff.......

format_quote Originally Posted by Wyatt

Do Muslims believe God made them heterosexual?

Yup like batteries you can't stick two positive caps in the same position and have a machine function--has to be positive cap to negative cap.. opposites attract..I can't personally fathom how anyone can be attracted to the same sex.. it is odd like being attracted to ones father or mother.. do we love our parents and siblings.. absolutely to death.. I'd personally die for them, I think most people would do the same.. but love and sex are two separate issues .. It is a choice who you take to bed God doesn't make you take a man or woman to bed.. you do that by yourself!

all the best

format_quote Originally Posted by Wyatt

On what basis do islamophobes equate Islam with terrorism? Are you completely unaware of current day issues?

Also, I agree with Pygo. Living a lie just to please God is a bit ironic. So, if one doesn't hide their homosexuality, but keeps themselves from acting upon it to please a god that made them that way? That's what it feels like to gay people that can't help their homosexuality, and that's what deters them from religion. I would lead a very unhappy life if I were to keep myself lonely, even with a dishonest "straight" relationship, to please my creator.

what is this non-sense?

Why does a relationship has to be totally honest? Many a times we desire to not be honest with ppl who are our friends well because its not the best situation in that time. Does it make us "less of a friends?" No. In the same way, you dont have to be 100% pour-your-heart-out sort of lover in a relationship with your partner, especially as a man. Sounds too sissy for me .... So stop using resorting to emotional appeal by using words such as "dishonesty" by labeling your opponents argument that such a marriage of a gay man with a woman, in order to please his Lord, is a dishonest marriage.

format_quote Originally Posted by Wyatt

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I haven't mentioned homosexual acts. I have merely been talking about the attraction to the other gender. Homosexuality is not just a fetish that can be suppressed. It's the opposite of heterosexuality, where one seeks partnership with the opposite sex.

Yes I'm aware that you did not meant homosexual acts. We are talking about suppressing sexual urges.

I, even as a gay, would be open to the theory that something that wasn't supposed to happen happened in the brain, a mutation of some sort, a genetic error? I also agree that it could also be environmental. But, I do know, that one can't simply be converted to heterosexuality. It can't simply be ignored.

I'm not saying gay people should convert to heterosexuality. As long as they do not engage in homosexual acts, then good for them. If they do, then it is a private matter, God will deal with them.

It's rather futile arguing with non-Muslims about homosexuality or about similar/other subjects. They don't believe in God so we will never agree on anything. What's the point of all these 'debates' then?

format_quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon

What's the point of all these 'debates' then?

Salaam,

To learn about what other members think. Sometimes try to disprove their points.