Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

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I assumed that Pygo was referring to the direct teachings of Jesus, as he walked the earth and preached to the people.

Jesus also never expressly forbid bestiality and necrophilia.

So when's your church going to marry a man with his goat, or a woman with a deceased priest?

More Bible study for Glo:
http://www.helium.com/items/1617185-...-homosexuality


Jesus never directly addressed the issues of homosexuality but he also never directly addressed issues such as pedophilia, bestiality or incest. He did, however, make it perfectly clear that a sexual union was fully intended to be between a man and a woman.


"Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (Matt.19:4)




In the Old Testament, Sodom and Gomorrah were wicked cities whose inhabitants were homosexuals. Lot, Abraham's nephew, lived in Sodom and God sent angels into the city to bring him out.
"... all the men from every part of the city of Sodom, both young and old, surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.' Lot went outside... 'Don't do this wicked thing... 'Get out of our way,' they replied... They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. But the men inside (angels) reached out and pulled Lot back into the house... Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness." (Gen. 19:4-10)


When it came to blasphemous sins, Jesus often referred to Sodom and Gomorrah as a rule of measure. "It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city." (Mark 6:11) "But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee." (Matt. 11:24)


Judging by the Lord's own words it doesn't take a PhD to see that he does not approve of homosexuality. The God of the Old and New Testament is one and the same and homosexuality is condemned in both.


The church at Corinth was having a problem with homosexuality and Paul told them in no uncertain terms, "Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves... none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God." (1Cor.6:9)

format_quote Originally Posted by

I assumed that Pygo was referring to the direct teachings of Jesus, as he walked the earth and preached to the people.

But you believe that Jesus of the NT is the same as God of the OT, right?

in Leviticus 18 verse 22, Jesus say: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

format_quote Originally Posted by naidamar

Isnt it interesting that the state tried to force the church to allow gay marriage in church on the basis of human rights, while at the same time oppressing the rights of the religious folks who uphold the tenets of their religion which does not even allow the practice of homosexual acts.

Sorry, which state is supposed to have tried to 'force' the church (which church?) to do anything? This proposed legislation (which incidently I disagree with on the grounds that 'marriage' is the union between a man and a woman by definition, and hence there is no such thing as a literal 'gay marriage') is to remove obstacles in English law that prevent a 'gay marriage' taking place in church. No church is being forced to allow them, indeed the Church of England has already said it will not.

Which state is supposed to be oppressing the rights of those 'religious folks'? What 'rights' are being oppressed and in what way are they being prevented from upholding the tenets of their religion?

Homosexuality seems to be accepted in the West it was not always this way.

format_quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow

There have been attempts, like the Quillam Foundation. Thankfully, they are not working.

Right. Which is one of the reasons why I think Islam is amazing and I respect it. Of all of the three monotheistic faiths, to me, Islam is the only one in which followers actually follow what is commanded. Of course, you have a few outliers in Christianity in Judaism in America but for the most part the word of God is ignored or so distorted. I think people like the idea of being religious but don't actually follow through which is why some people might be jealous of the Muslims' close relationship with Allah (swt). For following the word of God, Muslims are said to be "stuck in the past."

This is merely from my observations within my community. Might be different elsewhere and I am open to learning what others have to tell me about how it is where you live. If you haven't seen it, you should check out the documentary Jesus Camp to see some of what I mean...

format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

I personally don't understand why gay couples would seek a church wedding as opposed to a civil one? This is clearly not a union recognized by God, so what is the point of this?

yea I totally agree with you. people can't be gay and still be christians or muslims or jews at the same time.. it makes no sense to me either. it's like they wanna defy god but still act like they believe in him. that's why gay marriage was outlawed in the first place, because marriage is a religious thing. the whole church wedding is at least. it makes no sense that they wanna perform a ceremony that is created by and for God in christianity to unite two people when God never intended that ceremony to be used by homosexuals. it sickens me. there still are many people against it though, even though the media tries to act like the majority of people are for it.. what a repulsive way of life.

format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

I am not sure why you seem perpetually confused, you and a few other homoerotics seem to construe not approving of a sinful lifestyle to be akin to either a phobia or a hate.. why such extremes in emotions? does not approving of incest make you an incestophobe? or frowning upon pederasts make you a pederastophobe? what else do you fear pray do tell ... how does not accepting this life style as a norm = to demonization or oppression? more importantly how does a sexual life style choice relate at all to religion? This is precisely what we mean by atheists having a lack of definition or baseline all topics seem to blend under one massive brush, that it makes it both tedious and absurd to dignify the meaningless statements with a response all together!

you tell 'em sister lol. homosexuality is just like pedophilia.. sexual deviancy of a sickening kind. the pedophiles have a civil rights movement too.. are these homo-lovers gonna grant pedophiles their rights too and let them molest their kids? i doubt it. they lock up pedophiles but act like homosexuals are normal.. sickening.