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haha now al-Qaeda on some obscure jihadist forum confirms that OBL has been killed? What is this, so that ppl can now actually believe Al qaida? lol
On one hand al-qaeda is portrayed as a terrorist organization which spews lies and now the media wants us to believe Al qaeda's confirmation of OBLs death?
lol... this world is full of .... idiots.
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I would not call them idiots but gullible....I wonder what this Jihadist website is. It sounds a bit childish lol.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
I doubt that AQ confirmed it..White House[may Allah blacken it] has many Arabic speakers that can make up a story and say that AQ confirmed it. Plus AQ would never say that his death is a catastrophe for Jihad, since martyrdom is what the Mujahideen look and fight for.
I would not call them idiots but gullible....I wonder what this Jihadist website is. It sounds a bit childish lol.
look, if a rational sane human being can believe that the moon is a triangle, i wont call them gullible but rather an idiot.
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look, if a rational sane human being can believe that the moon is a triangle, i wont call them gullible but rather an idiot.
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Yes but it is easier to work out that a moon is not a triangle. The circumstances surrounding Osama Bin Laden death is a lot complicated. =/
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For a man who issued a fatwah calling for the killing of civilians I find it disturbing that you would wish this.
I find it disturbing that you would honor a man simply because he called himself a Muslim and fought against his "enemies" yet totally disregard the manner in which he did it and the consequences that Muslims around the world have had to face because of it.
The man deserves to burn in hell forever for all the grief he has caused, directly and indirectly, to Muslims and non-Muslims around the world and I don't see the Allah that I read about on these forums granting him paradise for his deeds.
The fatwah was to do unto them as they do unto others. What is more disturbing is foreigners meddling in other peoples affairs and not expecting a reaction.
The manner in which he did it was justified due to the amount of oppression and the imbalance of power on the side of the oppressed vs oppressor.
He sacrificed comforts of this life, for the rewards of the hereafter. Thats someones Hero, your terrorist!
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Yes but it is easier to work out that a moon is not a triangle. The circumstances surrounding Osama Bin Laden death is a lot complicated. =/
I understand what you are saying. But I was referring to Al-Qaeda's comments. Media tells us that they are liars. Now Media is using Qaeda's confirmation of death as a proof that OBL indeed has been killed. I was referring to that, not to the fact that if OBL in reality has been killed or not. Hope its clear.
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I do not know if we can say he was a hero or an enemy as for all we know, he might not actually exist or be a con-man for the US.
What we can do is criticize the kaaafir US govt nevertheless for pillaging Muslims for years and decades in their fanaticism of pursuing this man called OBL, who God knows was real or not. US has made us believe that OBL was real, through attacks on her land, we shouldnt fall of these traps.
All of a sudden, OBL is killed, Pakistani military fails to launch its jets against a mission in which foreign forces infiltrated into its land for more than hour, and all of a sudden Qaeda releases a statement on some jihadish forums (wow, they even know how to make an account on boards. if they are so sophisticated, even then it took them 4 days to come online and release that statement while the whole world knew before them) that he has been killed. And some Muslims jump in to call them sheikhs etc. I am not too sure. But a great dramatic story, whoever scripted it.
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this thread is now closed for a massive clean up. all posts that are either off-topic, insulting, attacks against any member or a reply to such are being deleted.
Is it asking too much for everybody to stay civil and on topic?
Thread is now reopened. However I may have missed some posts that still need deleting and may have deleted some that should have been kept. I will go back and relook but the thread is open again.
Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.
still can't figure out what makes THIS the "expedient time."
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.
“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.
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What we can do is criticize the kaaafir US govt nevertheless for pillaging Muslims for years and decades in their fanaticism of pursuing this man called OBL, who God knows was real or not. US has made us believe that OBL was real, through attacks on her land, we shouldnt fall of these traps.
I'm sorry, but whatever the various points of view on OBL, is there really any remotely credible case that he never existed at all?
All of a sudden, OBL is killed, Pakistani military fails to launch its jets against a mission in which foreign forces infiltrated into its land for more than hour...
I would hardly call ten years 'all of a sudden'! Those 'foreign forces' were US Navy SEALS doing what they do; they were long gone before anyone in authority in Pakistan even knew they were there, let alone had time to authorize a mission by any 'jets'. You think they flew in at 10,000ft with the lights on?!
.. and all of a sudden Qaeda releases a statement on some jihadish forums (wow, they even know how to make an account on boards. if they are so sophisticated, even then it took them 4 days to come online and release that statement while the whole world knew before them) that he has been killed. And some Muslims jump in to call them sheikhs etc. I am not too sure. But a great dramatic story, whoever scripted it.
Again, what reason is there think anybody 'scripted' it? There would be a delay for two obvious reasons. First, enough people (for whom communication between themselves has not been made easy and would not be undertaken casually) had to be satisfied he was actually dead. Which, with the Americans having taken the body and then the PAkistanis guarding the compound wouldn't exactly be easy. Secondly, they would have to consider whether confirming the death was actually in their interests or not.
I cant find a source for the 43 surrender but I heard it on the histtory channel which I guess in its self is not always a good source. The german military offered a surrender if the russians were not allowed to enter central Europe. But he told the president they should not consider surrender even though the English were ready to accept. But I can find many about him still refusing the 45 surrender. http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=152
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Er.... what??!!!!! SOURCE ?? That's more than the entire number of German combat deaths in WW2.
Right its been a while since I heard about this is was 1.7 million which does not really change much. I did not actually read this page that much so Im not sure if its what I was looking for or not. http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm
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Patton was in a fairly 'standard' low speed road traffic accident. He was particularly unlucky as regards the injuries he suffered.
I did not mean he was killed or something I ment he was going to tell the government about the things eisenhower was doing before he died.
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There were actually two Gulf of Tonkin incidents, the first of which nobody disputes happened - including the Vietnamese.
But the one that escalated things was fake and they have admitted it, thats bad enough. But they say it was false data or something like the false data in Iraq. Ehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4492190.stm
I cant find a source for the 43 surrender but I heard it on the histtory channel which I guess in its self is not always a good source.
I don't know what you think you heard, but there was no such offer of surrender in 1943, let alone by the 'entire SS', nor even any suggestion of one. The idea is utterly ludicrous.
The german military offered a surrender if the russians were not allowed to enter central Europe. But he told the president they should not consider surrender even though the English were ready to accept. But I can find many about him still refusing the 45 surrender. http://ww2db.com/battle_spec.php?battle_id=152
1943 I've already covered. Moving to 1945, the Germans were already beaten (and Hitler was already dead). The offer of 'surrender' to the Western allies was simply a desperate attempt to end the war on one front to concentrate on fighting the Soviets on the other. Eisenhower quite rightly insisted on unconditional surrender, doing otherwise would not only have lengthened the war rather than shortened it (you think the Russians would have turned around and gone home?!), but quite possibly led to a 'hot' commencement of what turned out to be the Cold War. It was also totally politically unacceptable. The only US notable general who expressed any sort of sympathies for such an idea was, ironically enough, Patton. The Germans surrendered unconditionally a whole week later.
Right its been a while since I heard about this is was 1.7 million which does not really change much. I did not actually read this page that much so Im not sure if its what I was looking for or not. http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm
"Author unknown" on a website of a professional conspiracy theorist?! C'mon, the literature on WW2 from writers in all countries involved is vast and there isn't the slightest suggestion in any even halfway reputable source any such thing happened. You think the Germans might just have noticed, hmm.. ? Conditions were unpleasant for many Germans who surrendered towards the end of the war simply because of the vast numbers of them, which the Western Allies' supply system simply wasn't set up to deal with. Many Germans moved west solely to surrender to the Americans or British rather than the Soviets, and with good reason. They were released (with the exception of suspected war criminals) when the war ended. The majority of PoW's taken by the Russians never came home. Most died during the war principally as a result of lack of food and medicines made worse by the terrible condition many were in prior to capture. Stalin was in no mood to provide supplies his own forces were short of, and prison camps were located in hostile climates. Most of the survivors were sent home at the end of the war, although some remained in captivity until Stalin's death.
I did not mean he was killed or something I ment he was going to tell the government about the things eisenhower was doing before he died.
He died as a result of his injuries. Again, I can find no evidence for him being about to tell the government anything about what Eisenhower was supposedly doing. Eisenhower had just fired him (although they were friends until that point, he had little choice) as Patton was by then opening advocating using a reconstructed Wehrmacht as a potential ally in an immediate war against the USSR.
But the one that escalated things was fake and they have admitted it, thats bad enough. But they say it was false data or something like the false data in Iraq. Ehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4492190.stm
If you actually read that article you will see nothing was 'faked', it was all a complete screw-up. As has been pointed out already Johnson was president, not Eisenhower, and the last thing he wanted was significant US military involvement in Vietnam as he was rather less optimistic than his predecessor as to where US intervention might end up. He just found himself with little choice with the situation that then existed; Kennedy had already effectively committed the US to the path it subsequently took.
With all due respect, you really do need to do at least minimal research before presenting such complete nonsense as fact. It does make you rather hard to take seriously on anything else, including matters rather more on topic!
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