“All day I think about it, then at night I say it. Where did I come from, and what am I supposed to be doing? I have no idea. My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there.”
The bin Laden support in this thread is almost as unsettling as the sight of all these people in the streets celebrating a persons death...
EDIT: Since my comments directed at Ahmed were deemed "unnecessary" by the mods, I'll rephrase them into a question: Why on earth do you keep referring to bin Laden as a Sheikh? Especially when he's... You know... Not a Sheikh.
Unconfirmed reports that he was tortured before they shot him. Wallahu Alam. But what is better than achieving Martyrdom. may Allah raise 1000 leaders like Sheikh Usamah against the Kuffar and their murtad Army.
I'd really like an answer to my question. Here, I'll even post it again:
format_quote Originally Posted by Tyrion
EDIT: Since my comments directed at Ahmed were deemed "unnecessary" by the mods, I'll rephrase them into a question: Why on earth do you keep referring to bin Laden as a Sheikh? Especially when he's... You know... Not a Sheikh.
Well, give me a better label if you think Sheikh does not suit him. I am not the first one to call him a Sheikh, many Ma`Shaykh themselves call him a Sheikh, Mujahid.
Well, give me a better label if you think Sheikh does not suit him. I am not the first one to call him a Sheikh, many Ma`Shaykh themselves call him a Sheikh, Mujahid.
It doesn't matter if people call him Sheikh... The fact is he is NOT a religious leader, and he has no religious authority whatsoever. There are many real Sheikhs who hold this view as well.
Well, give me a better label if you think Sheikh does not suit him. I am not the first one to call him a Sheikh, many Ma`Shaykh themselves call him a Sheikh, Mujahid.
well thats not what he meant, i think he just doesnt know the meaning of "shaikh" a shaikh is someone who teaches, btw did u see the video posted by brother ahmed? bin laden is trying to teach something in that video. insha allah u will learn it soon.
the only thing amusing i find is how obama said the american troops carried attacks with extreme courage, oh common obama we all know how courage-full ur troops are, everytime they are about to be in a firefight with mujahideens thier hearts are pounding and they want to be back to thier mama.
bin laden was searching for martydom and insha allah he achieved it.
Oh lord make my best deeds the last deeds
Oh lord make my best day the last day (aakhirah)
It doesn't matter if people call him Sheikh... The fact is he is NOT a religious leader, and he has no religious authority whatsoever. There are many real Sheikhs who hold this view as well.
Since when Jihad is not part of religion? He was one of the best leaders of Jihad, and Jihad is part of Islam. And the Sheikh pioneered it.
i think he just doesnt know the meaning of "shaikh" a shaikh is someone who teaches,
I do know the meaning of Sheikh, and it seems more likely that he is referring to bin Laden as a religious leader by using the word Sheikh next to his name.
format_quote Originally Posted by Ahmed M.
Since when Jihad is not part of religion? He was one of the best leaders of Jihad, and Jihad is part of Islam. And the Sheikh pioneered it.
So do you acknowledge that "Sheikh" bin Laden was the one who orchestrated the attacks on America? Is this what you mean by Jihad?
I do know the meaning of Sheikh, and it seems more likely that he is referring to bin Laden as a religious leader by using the word Sheikh next to his name.
So do you acknowledge that "Sheikh" bin Laden was the one who orchestrated the attacks on America? Is this what you mean by Jihad?
Of course he was behind it, and that was nothing compare to the number of Muslims killed everywhere else. But I don't agree with targeting civilians, at same time, yes, The Mujahideen do make mistakes, but that does not mean we will pinpoint their mistakes 24/7 to justify the occupation of Kuffar in Iraq, Afghanistan. So brother, stop paying attention to propaganda by Western media.
Of course he was behind it, and that was nothing compare to the number of Muslims killed everywhere else. But I don't agree with targeting civilians, at same time, yes, The Mujahideen do make mistakes, but that does not mean we will pinpoint their mistakes 24/7 to justify the occupation of Kuffar in Iraq, Afghanistan. So brother, stop paying attention to propaganda by Western media.
Ah, of course. I offer an opinion that differs from yours, and suddenly I'm someone who is brainwashed by Western media and propaganda. I got the answer I wanted from you though... You've admitted that you support a man who intentionally killed thousands of innocents, so I think I'm done now.
OBL isn't actually dead.
OBL has been dead for years as he could not have been receiving necessary medical treatment.
OBL was actually killed at some indeterminate time in the past, but for some reason now is a particularly convenient to reveal the fact.
OBL was a 'CIA creation'.
OBL never existed at all.
all at the same time... maybe in a year or so we could have a poll to select the best conspiracy theory?
Back in the real world all I can say is that I hope his death will bring some comfort to the families of the 3,000 innocent people killed on 9/11 on his orders. Whatever might have happened subsequently is no excuse for the original evil.
Ah, of course. I offer an opinion that differs from yours, and suddenly I'm someone who is brainwashed by Western media and propaganda. I got the answer I wanted from you though... You've admitted that you support a man who intentionally killed thousands of innocents, so I think I'm done now.
Thanks for saving my future time and you saved yourself some time as well. Well done.
Bin Laden will be dead anyway today or tomorrow (or may be some years ago). If he left his money and his family and joined jihad, I guess he did it for Allah's sake, wallahu Aalam, may Allah forgive him for the wrong things he did and grant him shahada, although 99% of muslims don't agree with Bin Laden's methods, we all agree about the root causes of his reactions which are the American intervention in the region.
For that reason, I don't think his death will bring too much peace in the world, unless the real causes of conflicts go.
"O you who believe! Fear ALLAH as He should be feared" [aal 'Imraan, 102]
So this is the card there going to play to initiate disturbance in the 'pak-us relation'.
....If thou knowest not thy God, thou art a slave of men;
And if thou dost, thy slaves are kings and potentates.
The heart’s freedom is kingly; its slavery is death,
It is for thee to decide — to be a king or a slave.
[Baal-e-Jibreel, Allama Iqbal 1935]
how the people are rejoicing and chanting "usa, usa", and they were angry when people in palestine rejoiced and distributed sweets on Sept 11.
To be fair, there is a difference between celebrating the result of a targeted special operations strike in which a known enemy leader is killed and an attack which killed 3000 civilians who were just going to work in the morning.
Interesting to see the variety of responses by Muslims on this board. I'll admit I had thought before last night that there was a high probability that he had died years ago that many of you still believe. I'm an American who's hardly in favor of the ways the current wars are being conducted, however I see no reason to disbelieve the current version of events. This is an unlikely time for this to be orchestrated for political gain. Have to say from my perspective that he deserved his fate, though I have a tough time celebrating or feeling that this is actually going to solve anything unlike many of my countrymen. Would have been personally happier at hearing of Gadaffi's demise, as he's in much more of a position of current power and it would hopefully have done some good in Libya and allowed the NATO missions to end.
The size and complexity of the structure in Abbottabad had "shocked" US officials. It had 4m-6m (12ft-18ft) walls, was eight times larger than other homes in the area and was valued at "several million dollars", though it had no telephone or internet connection.
I guess we can put the 'medical' conspiracy theory to bed; with that sort of set up quietly ushering the odd doctor in and out would hardly be a problem.
No wonder it took so long to find him, though.
The Abbottabad residence is just 700m (800 yards) from the Pakistan Military Academy - the country's equivalent of West Point.
There will be some very red faces in Pakistan today...
Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'oun...May Allah forgive his sins and grant him Jannat al-Firdaws, Allahuma Ameen
format_quote Originally Posted by Tyrion
The bin Laden support in this thread is almost as unsettling as the sight of all these people in the streets celebrating a persons death...
This is our reality and it's so sad that we have reach such a pitiful stage. So whoever mourns about the death of a Muslim at the hands of tthe kuffaar, who have waged war against us, is supporting bin Laden aka terrorism? What kind of Muslims are we that we can't even make dua'a for our dead brothers & sisters and repeat the words that we bleong to Allah and to Him we shall return. Even if we disagree with methods he used to do his jihad it doesn't mean that he was an enemy of Islam or everything which he did was wrong. We as Muslims need to be justly balanced and fair. We sit in our peaceful homes, and have guts to criticize and say whatever we want about people who are out their fighting to defend our lands and honour of Muslims. It's so easy to forget about our own affairs and worry about others...May Allah help us, ameen
عن تميم بن أوس الداري أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: قال الدين النصيحة ثلاثا قلنا لمن يا رسول الله قال لله ولكتابه ولرسوله ولأئمة المسلمين وعامتهم - رواه مسلم
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