“All day I think about it, then at night I say it. Where did I come from, and what am I supposed to be doing? I have no idea. My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there.”
.. we all agree about the root causes of his reactions which are the American intervention in the region.
If you do all agree that, you would be wrong. The 'root causes' for Bin Laden were his belief that only Sharia law was appropriate everywhere, and all other ideologies from capitalism to communism (and anything else you can think of), should be opposed - in the fashions he considered appropriate - within the Islamic world and elsewhere. Opposing American involvement in the Middle East was part of that, but no more so than his rather more active involvement in the Soviet-Afghan war.
Just a question though, for all of those following BBC news, I'm a little bit confused. They show a clip of Bush saying he wanted Osama dead or alive...so Obama cracked him down and now already hes been put to sea. Why would the military kill him, take custody of his body and then lay him down to rest whilst the rest of the world is sleeping? Why would you kill him in a raid? No Americans were hurt so where was the fight? Surely they would want to capture him alive?
....If thou knowest not thy God, thou art a slave of men;
And if thou dost, thy slaves are kings and potentates.
The heart’s freedom is kingly; its slavery is death,
It is for thee to decide — to be a king or a slave.
[Baal-e-Jibreel, Allama Iqbal 1935]
This is our reality and it's so sad that we have reach such a pitiful stage. So whoever mourns about the death of a Muslim at the hands of tthe kuffaar, who have waged war against us, is supporting bin Laden aka terrorism? What kind of Muslims are we that we can't even make dua'a for our dead brothers & sisters and repeat the words that we bleong to Allah and to Him we shall return. Even if we disagree with methods he used to do his jihad it doesn't mean that he was an enemy of Islam or everything which he did was wrong. We as Muslims need to be justly balanced and fair. We sit in our peaceful homes, and have guts to criticize and say whatever we want about people who are out their fighting to defend our lands and honour of Muslims. It's so easy to forget about our own affairs and worry about others...May Allah help us, ameen
Are you serious? The man murdered thousands of innocents in his "Jihad"... Why is this worth sympathizing with? How is this in any way Islam?
I can almost kind of sort of understand those people who try and defend bin Laden and say that he wasn't a part of the 9/11 attacks... That it was some kind of conspiracy... But to just acknowledge that he murdered innocent civilians in his "jihad", and still try to support him and say he was fighting a justified battle for our lands and honor? I can't believe so many people here hold these opinions... It's rather depressing.
If you do all agree that, you would be wrong. The 'root causes' for Bin Laden were his belief that only Sharia law was appropriate everywhere, and all other ideologies from capitalism to communism (and anything else you can think of), should be opposed - in the fashions he considered appropriate - within the Islamic world and elsewhere. Opposing American involvement in the Middle East was part of that, but no more so than his rather more active involvement in the Soviet-Afghan war.
No, he himself said that if that was the case he would have attacked Sweden, his main reason was the military attacks in Muslim countries. Believe what you want but thats what he said himself. Btw, I don't like him as he targeted innocents, but truth must be told.
Why would the military kill him, take custody of his body and then lay him down to rest whilst the rest of the world is sleeping?
The body had to be positively identified and conclusive evidence (DNA samples taken etc) obtained. Once done, they took what really was the obvious option for disposing of the body. They could hardly hold a public funeral, or bury the body in a known location.
Why would you kill him in a raid? No Americans were hurt so where was the fight? Surely they would want to capture him alive?
I'm sure they did. I'm equally sure he was determined not to let them. It's hardly a surprise 1st SFOD-D were able to carry out the operation with no casualities to themselves, particularly as it seems they maintained total surprise.
Just a question though, for all of those following BBC news, I'm a little bit confused. They show a clip of Bush saying he wanted Osama dead or alive...so Obama cracked him down and now already hes been put to sea. Why would the military kill him, take custody of his body and then lay him down to rest whilst the rest of the world is sleeping? Why would you kill him in a raid? No Americans were hurt so where was the fight? Surely they would want to capture him alive?
There was fighting, he is reported to have died in gunfire.
I dont understand why he wasn't subjected to the same as Saddam.
....If thou knowest not thy God, thou art a slave of men;
And if thou dost, thy slaves are kings and potentates.
The heart’s freedom is kingly; its slavery is death,
It is for thee to decide — to be a king or a slave.
[Baal-e-Jibreel, Allama Iqbal 1935]
Lets see now if US forces will leave Pakistan and Afghanistan after they "got" what they want, or they might find a new excuse for staying more in Muslims land.
I like how they tried to get one over the Soviet's by saying how its ironic that they claimed the CIA supported the mujahideen (?)
....If thou knowest not thy God, thou art a slave of men;
And if thou dost, thy slaves are kings and potentates.
The heart’s freedom is kingly; its slavery is death,
It is for thee to decide — to be a king or a slave.
[Baal-e-Jibreel, Allama Iqbal 1935]
First of all, why you log me out ><, should I always write my reply twice ?!! (and I always forhet to copy it before proceed )
Anyway,
format_quote Originally Posted by Beardo
Apparently, FOX News had a typo "Obama Bin Laden is dead" or something.
I've also heard Fox presenter saying Obama instead of Osama, and another weird thing why they type Osama with "U" not with "O", do they meant it to be USAma, I won't be surprised.
About Osama, we can't judge him without knowing him or who really was he, but if we believe the media and that he was responsible for the attacks of 9/11 we can't say he is a good muslim or a Mujahid.
Many evidences proves that the 9/11's attacks was made up by the US government (just search youtube and you'll find countless evidences).
I remember that one of Osama's followers called "Al-Zarqawi" once was (said to be) responsible for bombing two hotels in Jordan (his country) and many muslims were killed, but is this really the truth (Allah only knows).
I've stopped believing media (because IMO they don't seek the truth, but they just trade the truth).
BTW I highly recommend you to watch a documentary series on youtube called "The Arrivals" it talks about the NWO, Al-dajjal, media. (but be careful about 60% of it is not accurate but it at least gives a new perspective point of view)
I am actually saddened to hear this. Like most of us here I did not know him personally. I only know what I heard about him and since I never had any way to verify if what I heard was true or false, I really do not know if he was good or bad. I just know he was a human being and that any unneeded death is a time for sadness.
It is possible some good may come from this. This has put a big dent in any alleged justification for foreign military involvement in the Mid East.
I agree.
Inna Lillaahi wa Inna ilaayhi raji'oon
Allaah swt is the owner of justice, and he knows best what he did and what he didnt. At the end of the day he was to return back no matter what anyone says if he was good or bad, now his time has come to recieve what he earned, another day will be for us, ofcourse we dont know when, we should try take advantage of every second of our life that has been granted to us.
We seem to have forgetten the main part, Death. We should just take this as a lesson to learn from, its Death, if one person hasnt prepared, then we should strive to do so ourselves insha'Allaah. And nor is anyone any Human an Angel, before he died he may have repented with sincerety, who knows? we dont, Only Allaah does, so leave it to him to decide. For those who disagree, the fact is you just need realise that there are people who do repent, even those who commit major sin do repent and Allaah knows best, and also non of you knew him in person , only what you heard and simply believe. There is no harm in making Du'aa either or praying (to our non-muslims here). If we continue with this discussion, we will still have a thread full of some of disagree and some who agree, so basically we gained nothing, just hate between one another and yet we talk about how theres no peace in the world!
Some may disagree but thats just my view.
I apologise if i sounded harsh, i had no intention in doing so.
.. peace ..
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"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]
Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed.
Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar
Ok finally, the Sheikh's death is confirmed by a close brother of mine. If this is not true, it is going to be the biggest, most embarrassing lie America has ever produced.
That's a really awful photoshop job! It's also one that seems to originated from some Pakistani journos who presumably had to get something out in a hurry.
Lets see now if US forces will leave Pakistan and Afghanistan after they "got" what they want, or they might find a new excuse for staying more in Muslims land.
Personally, I think being in Pakistan and Afghanistan is actually what the US forces wanted in the first place. So I don't see any reason for them to leave since they had already arrived at where they wanted to be in the first place. Just as I do not think the US forces are going to leave the Middle East any time soon or any time during this millennium.
I noticed that the US government appears to make a standard practice of fighting its wars in other people's lands. First, they would supply the necessary arms to start the war. Then, if necessary, they would drop bombs from so far up in the sky that the intended targets on the ground have no chance of hitting back. In the last resort, they will send in their special forces to do a quick and dirty job, then run back to the comfort of their air-conditioned jacuzzis in the US. If all else fails, then they pour in the troops and tanks and choppers and aircraft carriers until whole place looks like a homecoming re-union festivity for US uniformed personnel.
I could be totally wrong but I think it was a US general who said that patriotism is not dying for your county; he said patriotism is making the other fool die for his country. Worth thinking about, isn't it? WaLLahu aklam.
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