I know everything started in saudi arabia but i just don't like that country because it's always about saudi arabia in the muslim world. Other countries like UEA give more rights. What is your opinion?
I can understand where you are coming from, but I dont think any country is all good. There are bad parts in each. I think the fact that Islam started there, and Makkah and Madinah are there, makes people have an idealistic view of what Islam should be like in action and look up to these places as an example of how Muslims should live. Even though they may not be adhering to Islamic principles.
I havent been to UEA so I cant compare.
Ive been to Makkah and Madinah, I loved it, especially Madinah. I wish to go there again too, inshaAllah. :smile:
I know everything started in saudi arabia but i just don't like that country because it's always about saudi arabia in the muslim world. Other countries like UEA give more rights. What is your opinion?
Salaam,
Both of them mistreat and exploit migrant workers and the government is a monarchy. It makes me sick when the royal family members spend so much money on luxurious goods while there are people living in poverty. Also both countries do not have the guts to speak against the US and Israel. Other than that, I like the culture of both countries and the food.
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I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Both of them mistreat and exploit migrant workers and the government is a monarchy. It makes me sick when the royal family members spend so much money on luxurious goods while there are people living in poverty. Also both countries do not have the guts to speak against the US and Israel. Other than that, I like the culture of both countries and the food.
Yeah I know how you feel, I feel even more sick when I see the leaders of these oil rich countries buying football clubs and giving players 100k a week, and buying football players for 40 million, while Muslims are trying to think about how to buy a house without indulging in riba and Muslims in somalia have no food or drink. They have a lot to answer for.
Yeah I know how you feel, I feel even more sick when I see the leaders of these oil rich countries buying football clubs and giving players 100k a week, and buying football players for 40 million, while Muslims are trying to think about how to buy a house without indulging in riba and Muslims in somalia have no food or drink. They have a lot to answer for.
Salaam,
I'm more angry with the people that worship them, make excuses for them and try to copy them (e.g. big expensive weddings).
^ Ugh...what is wrong with this man?
EDIT: a tragic typo...
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I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
This is what happens when you have no knowledge of the beautiful deen, or either if you do you still choose to follow the footsteps of shaytaan i.e. your desires.
The greed, astagfirullaah..Money makes people feel that they are remainers of this dunya, but unfortunately forget there is an end. Unless used in the correct way..i.e. in a more useful manner.
may Allaah SWT guide him and protect the ummah from becoming as such and ease the affairs of the ummah and unite the ummah, Aameen.
"Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), Al-Hayyul-Qayyum (the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists).".."[Al Qur'aan 3:2]
The way they waste their money is indeed a curse but this is a matter between them and Allah SWT and He SWT will ask them about what they did in the Dunyah but on the other side,they are doing much more for their people,for the Muslims around the world and specially for the Hujjaj Karam.They had some very bad qualities in them but still Allah SWT choose this land to be the home and the centre of Islam and these people as the companion of Muhammad SAW because they have some really amazing qualities.Unfortunately,when we read or talk about Arabs,we only focus how bad they were,but most of us are unaware of their great qualities which made this land and these people the helpers of Islam and Muslims.
I think we have no right to hate any Country or its people just because they have some bad people in them,and which place is free of bad people?I think people should focus the other side of the coin as well.
Satellite broadcasts of hit US shows including Desperate Housewives, Late Show With David Letterman and Friends are better at persuading Saudi youth to reject violent jihad than hundreds of millions of dollars worth of US propaganda, informants have told the US embassy in Jeddah.
The shows, which are broadcast uncensored and with Arabic subtitles on the country's MBC4 channel, are being permitted as part of the Saudis' 'war of ideas' against extremist elements. Rotana, a channel part owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, is also proving popular.
And according to a Wikileaks cable entitled David Letterman: Agent of Influence, they have had a greater influence for good than the US-funded al-Hurra TV news channel.
That channel, which was launched in 2004 after the Iraq invasion, has attempted to win over viewers with such programming as in-depth interviews with US politicians, including former president George Bush.
However it has also run into trouble in the past with local journalists, most notably when it broadcast a call to arms against Israel by Hezbollah.
Diplomats have admitted the lure of US TV shows and films had had a far greater impact thanks to the allure of stars including Eva Longoria and Jennifer Aniston.
'It's still all about the war of ideas here, and the American programming on MBC and Rotana is winning over ordinary Saudis in a way that al-Hurra and other US propaganda ever could,' two Saudi media executives told a US official when they met at a Jeddah branch of Starbucks.
.....The meeting was reportedly called at the behest of Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, who is a billionaire businessman and shareholder in News Corporation. The SRMG media group, which is partly owned by bin Talal and also owns al-Eqtisadiah, also bid for a contract to publish the International Herald Tribune uncensored in Saudi Arabia, according to the cable.
i dunno if this is appropriate - but will add it for educational value:
IN THE ABOVE POST (TRAGIC TYPOS) HE SAID HE WILL SPEND WHATEVER MONEY GOD HAS GIVEN HIM TO PROMOTE THE CAUSE OF LADIES IN SAUDI ARABIA......TO "TRAIN" LADIES, AND TO PUT LADIES IN "KEY POSITIONS"
"Do you consider the providing of water for the pilgrim and the maintenance of al-Masjid al-Haram equal to [the deeds of] one who believes in Allah and the Last Day and strives in the cause of Allah? They are not equal in the sight of Allah. And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." (Qur'an 9:19-20)
One of the reasons mentioned for the revelation of these ayaat:
There is a Hadith (from the Prophet) about the Tafsir of this Ayah that we should mention. `Abdur-Razzaq recorded that An-Nu`man bin Bashir said that a man said, "I do not care if I do not perform an action after embracing Islam other than providing drinking water for pilgrims who visit the Ka`bah at Makkah.'' Another man said, "I do not care if I do not perform an action after embracing Islam other than maintaining Al-Masjid Al-Haram.'' A third man said, "Jihad in the cause of Allah is more righteous than what you have said.'' `Umar admonished them, "Do not raise your voices next to the Minbar of the Messenger of Allah,'' and as it was a Friday, he said, "but after we pray the Friday prayer, we will go to the Prophet and ask him.'' This verse was revealed,
أَجَعَلْتُمْ سِقَايَةَ الْحَاجِّ وَعِمَارَةَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ
(Do you consider the providing of drinking water to the pilgrims and the maintenance of Al-Masjid Al-Haram), until,
لاَ يَسْتَوُونَ عِندَ اللَّهِ
(They are not equal before Allah. )
Stunningly beautiful adhaan from the Dome of the Rock in Masjid ul Aqsa Download (right click and choose "save target/link as").
This is a clear message for mankind in order that they may be warned thereby, and that they may know that He is only One God, and that those of understanding may take heed (14:52)
Indeed Allah knows, and you know not (16: 74, part)
I get where people are coming from. Forget the royal family, the amount of snobby people they are in saudi is shocking. If you are not the same social degree or class as them then you will automatically be looked down upon. Especially people from Asia are seen as the same as dirt, while this is a minority in Saudi, they are loud and vocal and it makes me sick.
However the place is beautiful not to mention Makkah and Medina
Do not think of minor sins as insignificant,
for mountains are made out of pebbles...
I get where people are coming from. Forget the royal family, the amount of snobby people they are in saudi is shocking. If you are not the same social degree or class as them then you will automatically be looked down upon. Especially people from Asia are seen as the same as dirt, while this is a minority in Saudi, they are loud and vocal and it makes me sick.
However the place is beautiful not to mention Makkah and Medina
You know you are not the first person to come away with such an impression, I have family members who before going to Saudi wanted to live there, after they made Umrah there, they came back and said what you said and were put off living there forever.
“Who said that guidance requires there to be someone accompanying you"
You know you are not the first person to come away with such an impression, I have family members who before going to Saudi wanted to live there, after they made Umrah there, they came back and said what you said and were put off living there forever.
Sadly it's true. Even if you're Arab and come from places like Oman or Yemen, because they're not as wealthy as Saudi they treat you like you're something else. SubhanAllah. Having said that some of the people there don't care where you're from and treat you very well.
Do not think of minor sins as insignificant,
for mountains are made out of pebbles...
that's true - there are also some great people there who are so friendly and i have come across some - i would be smoking a cigarette near the mosque and an arab would come up to me and advise me in such a nice way that i would throw it away ........until i felt like another one later - this happened more than once.
they also have (some) people in media who enjoin good and forbid wrong:
Allah SWT choose this land to be the home and the centre of Islam and these people as the companion of Muhammad SAW
I agree with your other points, however, I disagree with the above that I quoted. The companions (ra) of Muhammad SAW have all died. "these people" are not the companions of Muhammad SAW. Prince Al Waleed ibn Talal is not a companion of Muhammad SAW.
About a month before Ramadan. in intercity travel, my family and I stopped at a mosque in the mountains area to perform salah duhr and rest.
After salah, someone comes to me, saying salaam and speak in English, he had an interest on the car that I hired and wanted to take some pictures. He is Arab man, about 40, has a long beard and dressed well.
I allow it. He greeted my family with Assalamu'alaikum before he took some pictures. Then we talked about car. Honestly, I was impressed with his good manner and etiquette. And I also saw, he spoke with his Indonesian driver in a good and ethical manner as well.
It spent about 15 minutes, then he said thank you and wasalam. But before he left I asked him "Where are you from?". He smiled before answering "Saudi Arabia".
That was a wonderful experience when I meet a Muslim brother from another country.
So, are Saudis bad people ?. Bad people and good people are exist in everywhere, not only in Saudi Arabia. And the Saudi man who I meet in that masjid is a good Muslim brother.
I'm Saudi, I'm not snobby and I'm not exactly rich. I have friends of all Muslim backgrounds, Khaleeji (Qatari, Emirati, Kuwaiti), Malaysian, Bosnian, Pakistani (My best friend is one actually), Bengoli, Somalian, Sudanese, Kurdish and sooo much more. And I do not look down on others.
Please don't associate all Saudi's as the same. That's like saying all Muslims are racist due to your experience of one yet of course Muslims are actually against racism.
No. I don't like the monarchy, I'd be punished if I said that there and I wish there could be an uprise but the royal family are unbelievably powerful. And I for one, am totally against the discrimination that takes place often in KSA.... You should actually feel sorry for those who are oppressed in Saudi Arabia and wish to change it, I know I do. I may not hold no power but the power of dua is a weapon Allah (swt) had given us for times like these. Thus why I often do dua for Saudi Arabia to change for the better as well as the whole Ummah.
You can dislike Saudi Arabia for all the bad it contains and still like it for the good it contains (Makkah & Madinah)... The best places on EARTH.
And to be honest, NO COUNTRY is PERFECT. KSA may follow Sharia Law but they're really falling apart, seriously. And I've been to UAE, it's nothing special either.
Personally, if someone were to ask me: what is your identity?
I would identify myself as a Muslim first. There's so much nationalistic pride between Muslims in the world it's sad - I'm not saying don't be proud of where you're from... But because we're so attached to the countries we're from we separate ourselves when we should be all united as Muslims, but unfortunately we've been blinded by shaytan and the rest of the world.
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I'm Saudi, I'm not snobby and I'm not exactly rich. I have friends of all Muslim backgrounds, Khaleeji (Qatari, Emirati, Kuwaiti), Malaysian, Bosnian, Pakistani (My best friend is one actually), Bengoli, Somalian, Sudanese, Kurdish and sooo much more. And I do not look down on others.
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