Can anyone post a link where he has said anything which could be considered to incite violence? I've never really heard him say anything anyone would consider radical.
He was also a US citizen... so I guess now it's ok to assassinate your own people for inciting hatred (which nobody seems to have published any evidence of) :S
He said, "Jihad to Muslims is like Apple-Pie to Americans and Tea to the British".
So extreme.
May Allah grant him Paradise and raise more lions who speak out against falsehood and oppression.
The neo-cons and the corporate elite want to divorce the concept of jihad from Islam and to make us all 'moderate' Muslims or Christians who turn-the-other-cheek.
Quran 2:191-193 And slay them wherever you find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.
Yes, Islam is a peaceful religion, but it is not a pacifist one. It may do some members here good to know the distinction between these 2 words.
For those who don't know the difference between peaceful and pacifism, the following quotes may be useful.
"Peaceful societies are contemporary groups of people who effectively foster interpersonal harmony and who rarely permit violence or warfare to interfere with their lives." http://www.peacefulsocieties.org/
"Pacifism is a belief that violence, even in self-defence, is unjustifiable under any conditions and that negotiation is preferable to war as a means of solving disputes."http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USApacifists.htm
If Sheik Al-Awlaki, used the dreaded 'J-word' in his lectures, is that reason enough to snuff-out his life? Can jihad be separated from Islam anymore than salah?
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
What is this Liberal Muslims? I am completely unaware of this sect. There is either practicing or non practicing Muslims.
I hardly believe you don't know the term "liberal muslims"
Even here in Indonesia we have plenty of them.
Those are the ones who say jihad is wrong, homosexual relations is accepted in Islam (and some even support homosexual marriages), hijab is not compulsory, qur'an is not literal and must not be literally interpreted, women can lead men in shalah jamaah, all religions and faiths are the same and equal, etc.
Also, where did you get the idea that there are only either "practicing muslims or non-practicing muslims". Even during the time of prophet SAW, there were many categories for people who claimed they were muslims and they are even mentioned in the Qur'an (mu'min, faasiq, munaafiquun, etc).
and having explained the term, let's go back to the topic.
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In one of his most recent interviews he said that he views the US public at large as combatants and basically holds them accountable just as much as the US leaders and army, because they are technically financing the war as a united country. So, targeting any civilians/American public is legitimate even if they are 'innocent' and and not a threat directly. I dunno, is that something supported by Qur'an and Sunnah? I just felt uneasy about that.
I don't know much about fiqh of jihad but I don't think Imam Anwar's conclusion is completely wrong. How do we define non-combatants exactly? As far I'm aware, anyone who insights hatred against Islam, speaks out against Islam & Muslims, supports war against Islam & Muslims is not a "innocent civilian" - such a person is treated as a combatant. Even if that person invites Muslims to have 'peaceful' dialogue with them, have tea parties in Churches etc. Let's have a look at current American people and it doesn't take long to figure out that Imam Anwar isn't entirely wrong.
I personally also disagree with suicide bombing issue - I think the mujahideen and some scholars have made incorrect comparison & analogy between suicide bombing and jihadi missions which were carried out during the time of the Salaf. WaAllahu a'lam
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
one less person who spread alqaeda ideology.
They make islam looks bad.
May Allah gives him what he deserves!
Actually people like you make Islam & Muslims look bad. Whoever rejoices over death of a Muslim at hands of the kuffaar is a munafiq. You have disassociated yourself from the Muslims, please stop using your Muslim outward appearance to deceive people. Allah is humiliating Muslims because people like you have plagued this ummah.
format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb
Alqaeda ideology makes me sick too.
Islam is religion of peace. To him it wasn´t.
May Allah be mercy to him too.
But your ideology makes all sick and you have nothing to do with Islam and Muslims. Look at your own lovey dovey, fairyland ideology: please go shake hands with the kuffaar, invite them for tea party and then attend their dinners; have some cookies and biryani together. Maybe then you & them can save the world with your 'love & peace' ideology. And then you wonder why Muslims are being humiliated?
Who told you that Islam is a religion of peace!!? Islam is a religion of submission and it brings inner peace to those who submit to it. Oh did you know that jihad is considered 6th pillar of Islam. Oh look what Muhammad ibn Abdullah (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) said:
I have been commanded (by Allah) to fight the people until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish regular prayer and pay zakaah, then if they do that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning will be with Allah [Bukhari & Muslim]
I have been sent ahead of the Hour with the sword so that Allah will be worshipped alone, and my provision has been placed in the shade of my spear, and humiliation has been decreed for those who go against my command, and whoever imitates a people is one of them. [Musnad Ahmed]
Does this make you sick as well? Is he (sal-allahu alayhi wa salaam) also a violent person according to you?
عن تميم بن أوس الداري أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: قال الدين النصيحة ثلاثا قلنا لمن يا رسول الله قال لله ولكتابه ولرسوله ولأئمة المسلمين وعامتهم - رواه مسلم
Islam is the complete guidance how to live our life and how to attain salvation in this world and hereafter.
The enemies of Islam have been trying to "tame" Islam and forced muslims to accept that Islam is only religion of peace in order to subdue muslims to follow the rules of men and godless society. They know that muslims can only be defeated by muslims themselves.
Yes, Islam is religion of peace, but is also religion of justice, of fairness, of human dignity, of individual, familial and societal harmony, and many other things as it is the complete guidance.
Unlike other religions such as buddhism and christianity who pretend that their philosophy is "turn the right cheek" which is absolutely impossible to implement in real world, and hence only became religions for the monks and priests, Islam acknowledge the complexities and full nature of human beings, and this is also an evidence that it is from the creator, and hence all humankind can follow and implement Islam in their daily life.
Yes, it is true that Allah teach us through the Qur'an to keep peace, to pray for peace, to honor peace and to forgive, but Islam also acknowledges that keeping peace is not possible when injustice and unfairness occur and we are commanded to avoid being unjust, and to fight oppressions.
I hope I am making sense, and I am sure that you really understand that concept through your experience in helping out the palestinians.
Don't forget that western propaganda and indoctrination is successful in making the word "jihad" as a dirty word, although that word is contained in the Qur'an and has been commanded many times in examples by prophet Muhammad (SAW).
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
If you had someone rejoice at the death of your brother (even if your brother was a sick B*****D) you'd be very emotional.
I'm not even sure if Anwar al-Awlaki is dead. I'm pretty sure the government claimed he was killed a year ago. I have no issue with people being upset about the topic. I think it is not appropriate to get emotional towards other members in the World Affairs Section. If a member has some misconceptions, it is better to address them.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
I need to edit and delete some posts. There have been quite some emotions, and misunderstanding that I'm sure we muslims brothers and sisters don't wish upon each other. I hope no one don't mind.
Also please everyone keep in mind that we are supposed to conceal the mistakes/sins of a person who died as a muslim and we are supposed to talk about their goodness and their amal when they were living.
Islam is the complete guidance how to live our life and how to attain salvation in this world and hereafter.
The enemies of Islam have been trying to "tame" Islam and forced muslims to accept that Islam is only religion of peace in order to subdue muslims to follow the rules of men and godless society. They know that muslims can only be defeated by muslims themselves.
Yes, Islam is religion of peace, but is also religion of justice, of fairness, of human dignity, of individual, familial and societal harmony, and many other things as it is the complete guidance.
Unlike other religions such as buddhism and christianity who pretend that their philosophy is "turn the right cheek" which is absolutely impossible to implement in real world, and hence only became religions for the monks and priests, Islam acknowledge the complexities and full nature of human beings, and this is also an evidence that it is from the creator, and hence all humankind can follow and implement Islam in their daily life.
Yes, it is true that Allah teach us through the Qur'an to keep peace, to pray for peace, to honor peace and to forgive, but Islam also acknowledges that keeping peace is not possible when injustice and unfairness occur and we are commanded to avoid being unjust, and to fight oppressions.
I hope I am making sense, and I am sure that you really understand that concept through your experience in helping out the palestinians.
Don't forget that western propaganda and indoctrination is successful in making the word "jihad" as a dirty word, although that word is contained in the Qur'an and has been commanded many times in examples by prophet Muhammad (SAW).
Salam alaykum
thanks about your response - I respect it and understand it. I better stop to post to this thread more as my opinions have caused some confusing responses. Salam and peace equality to all members from your sister in islam.
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
Can anyone post a link where he has said anything which could be considered to incite violence?
Yes, Mr Obama said so. Is there any stronger proof ?
Mr Obama is said to have personally ordered his killing last year.
Mr Obama said that as the leader of external operations for AQAP, Awlaki, born in 1971, had taken "a lead in planning and directing efforts to murder innocent Americans" and was also "directly responsible for the death of many Yemeni citizens".
"This is further proof that al-Qaeda and its affiliates will find no safe haven anywhere in the world, " he said.
Who's the next man to be killed to "prove" that "al-Qaeda and its affiliates will find no safe haven anywhere in the world" ? another muslim, preferably having some popularity to upset the maximum number of muslims and to narcotize the biggest number of US Citizens.
I used to live in fairyland where everything was alright. His talks made me realize that 'many things' are not as peaceful and good as they proclaim to be. May Allah have mercy on him and forgive all his sins.
Ameen.
I don't know much about fiqh of jihad but I don't think Imam Anwar's conclusion is completely wrong. How do we define non-combatants exactly? As far I'm aware, anyone who insights hatred against Islam, speaks out against Islam & Muslims, supports war against Islam & Muslims is not a "innocent civilian" - such a person is treated as a combatant. Even if that person invites Muslims to have 'peaceful' dialogue with them, have tea parties in Churches etc. Let's have a look at current American people and it doesn't take long to figure out that Imam Anwar isn't entirely wrong.
I don't agree with this at all. A combatant is only a soldier as far as I know; not someone who doesn't share the same ideology as you or speaks against you. Paying taxes doesn't make someone a soldier no matter how you look at it. This is the same way some Muslims try and play around with definitions so they can kill other Muslims and then say "oh it's ok because they weren't really Muslim since they didn't share the exact same ideology as me".
edit: Forgot to add "imo".
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hey moderators please close this thread.. No use fighting over this issue, some of us can't even recite the quran properly yet try to make conclusions on things were not expert of. Aabiru sabeel, where are U!!!
Please Make Dua' For Samiun..
“Whoever records a biography of a believer, it is as though he has brought him or her back to life.” - Imam Al-Sakhawi
hey moderators please close this thread.. No use fighting over this issue, some of us can't even recite the quran properly yet try to make conclusions on things were not expert of. Aabiru sabeel, where are U!!!
How do people become expert if people don't advise them of their mistakes? Let's close the whole forum down in case there is a difference of opinion
And btw, those who support what happened to him should now call for the execution of Obama, Netanyahu, and Cameron - who held the people of Iraq, Palestine, and Afghanistan responsible for crimes which they themselves committed,
But has it been confirmed? i don't believe the biased medias did any arabic or islamic websites confirm? I wept when i first saw this on the news. One of the rarest Sheikhs who stood up to tell the truth.. who dared to say things the way it was mentioned in Quran and Sunnah.. I love him for the sake of Allah and May Allah if he really is shaheed grant him Jannah Ameen.. But do let me know if its actually confirmed..
Sadness has swept because one of the most amazing sheikhs of the Ummah could be gone.. one more leader could be gone
“The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs is afflicted, the whole body responds to it with sleeplessness and fever”.
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Salam and peace equality to all members from your sister in islam.
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