Muhammad vs The Prophets of the Holy Bible

format_quote Originally Posted by WRITER

We have to believe in the former scriptures but none of them exist in their original form. what exists today of the former scriptures are altered copies or altogether fakes (not the original but written by other people). The bible for example, isn't the Injeel revealed to Prophet Isa (Alaihi Assalam) but what was written by others many years later. Even christians acknowledge this.

so your disbelive what allah said in surah 6 34 saying no one can change the words of allah, so how can the gospel be changed or lost, and also your quran says go to the people of the book and their scriptures but my scriptures only condemn muhammad so who right allah who says none can change my word and o to the people of the book and check their scriptures for proof or muslims who say its not the real gospel ??? does this logic make sense brother or sister none at all so choose the gospel is unchanged and not lost and muhammad a false prophet or dont trust what your quran says??

format_quote Originally Posted by WRITER

We have to believe in the former scriptures but none of them exist in their original form. what exists today of the former scriptures are altered copies or altogether fakes (not the original but written by other people). The bible for example, isn't the Injeel revealed to Prophet Isa (Alaihi Assalam) but what was written by others many years later. Even christians acknowledge this.

so your disbelive what allah said in surah 6 34 saying no one can change the words of allah, so how can the gospel be changed or lost, and also your quran says go to the people of the book and their scriptures but my scriptures only condemn muhammad so who right allah who says none can change my word and o to the people of the book and check their scriptures for proof or muslims who say its not the real gospel ??? does this logic make sense brother or sister none at all so choose the gospel is unchanged and not lost and muhammad a false prophet or dont trust what your quran says??

format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000

now tell me
how could abraham pbuh have been alive in 1948, and noah pbuh dies 2006 (after creation of adam), when all the pagans were destroyed and noah pbuh and the believers survived?
since Abraham pbuh came and found a people, including the despot king entrenched for generations in idolatry???

either the whole earth was flooded and abraham came long after,either way, don't u think someone made a mistake in their story?

thats not my question and please use bc and ad when refering to timelines if you can please and thank
but the question is how can the quran say the bible(torah and gospel) are his word and no one can change his word surah 6 34 and he say if your in doubt about what was reveled to muhammad go to the people of the book and their scriptures the bible is the only scriptures WE HAVE obey your quran go to my books and see muhammad is a false prophet or obey your religion and dont trust what allah said in his quran
or the whole earth wasn't flooded

format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

If you won't read post number five because

what is it brother please tell me and i will look at it

format_quote Originally Posted by WRITER

Please don't take the words out of context and don't misinterprete the verses/words of the Quran.
Here are the verses with their commentary:

33 – 36: O Muhammad, we know that what they say grieves you but it is not you whom they charge with falsehood; these wicked people are, in fact, denying the Revelations of Allah. Many Messengers have been treated as impostors before you, but they bore with fortitude the charge of imposture and persecution (by the disbelievers) till Our help came down to them. None has the power to change the Law of Allah, and you have already received the news of what happened to the Messengers before you. However, if you find it hard to bear their aversion, then seek out, if you can, an opening into the earth, or set up a ladder to they sky so that you may bring them a Sign. Had Allah willed, He would have gathered them all on guidance; so do not behave like the ignorant people. Only those who listen to it accept the Message; as for the dead, Allah will raise them from the graves and they shall be brought back to (be produced in His Court).

Commentary:
O Muhammad, we know that what they say grieves you but it is not you whom they charge with falsehood; these wicked people are, in fact, denying the Revelations of Allah.
Commentary: It is a fact that all the people of his tribe regarded the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم truthful and honest up to the time he had not begun to recite the Revelations of Allah before them. They falsified him only when he began to deliver to them the Message of Allah. Even then, there was none who dared charge Muhammad, the man, (Allah’s peace be upon him) with falsehood; nay, even his bitterest enemies never accused him of having ever told a lie concerning any worldly matter. It was Muhammad, the Prophet, صلى الله عليه و سلم whom they charged with falsehood. So much so that even Abu Jahl, who was the bitterest of all the enemies of the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم, never accused him of falsehood. According to a tradition related by Hadrat Ali رضي الله عنه , Abu Jahl declared during a conversation with the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم , “We do not call you a liar but regard as false what you are presenting.” On the occasion of the Battle of Badr, Akhnas bin Shariq asked Abu Jahl in private, “There is no third person here besides us two. Tell me the truth whether you regard Muhammad to be a truthful man or a liar.” He answered, “By God, Muhammad is a truthful person and has never told a lie in his whole life, but if Bani Qusayy, who have already the privilege of being the bearers of the national flag and the providers of water to the pilgrims and the keepers of the keys of the Ka’abah, should also be acknowledged as the recipients of Prophethood, what would then be left for the rest of the Quraish?” For this very reason Allah is comforting His Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم , saying, “It is not you whom they are rejecting as impostor but it is Our Message which they are rejecting. When We are forbearing everything and giving them respite after respite, why should you show any kind of anxiety?”

Many Messengers have been treated as impostors before you, but they bore with fortitude the charge of imposture and persecution (by the disbelievers) till Our help came down to them. None has the power to change the Law of Allah,
Commentary: The “Law” referred to here is the Law of Allah concerning the conflict between the right and the wrong. According to this Law, it is essential that the righteous people should be tried for a long period to stand their test in order to prove their fortitude, their righteousness, their spirit of sacrifice and their fidelity, their firm belief in their Faith and their complete trust in Allah. For this they must pass through afflictions and difficulties in order to develop those high moral qualities which can be learnt only by going through this hard and tough course, for with these weapons alone, they are required to win the battle against un-Islam. When, according to this Law, they prove their competence, then Allah’s help will come at the right moment to support them and this help can never be brought about before its time by anyone.


and you have already received the news of what happened to the Messengers before you. However, if you find it hard to bear their aversion, then seek out, if you can, an opening into the earth, or set up a ladder to they sky so that you may bring them a Sign.
Commentary: Whenever the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم felt that his people did not accept the Message in spite of his continuous preaching, he cherished the wish that Allah might send such a clear Sign that they should have no alternative left with them but to accept his Message. In this verse Allah has admonished His Messenger against cherishing any such desire so as to say, “Do not show impatience at their obduracy, but go on performing your mission persistently in the way and order We are laying down for it. If this mission had to be performed by means of miracles, could We not Ourselves have done so? But We know that this method is not suitable for bringing about that intellectual and moral revolution and for the establishment of that righteous society for which you have been appointed as a Messenger. If, however, you cannot endure the heart-buring caused by their indifference and rejection and if you imagine that a tangible Sign, that might appeal to them, is required to break this inert state of their minds, then you should yourself try to bring about such a Sign. You may, if you can, go deep down into the bowels of the earth or ascend up to the heavens for this purpose, but you should not expect from Us that We will fulfil this desire of yours, for there is no room for it in Our scheme.”

Had Allah willed, He would have gathered them all on guidance; so do not behave like the ignorant people.
Commentary: This is to impress that it is not the purpose of Allah that each and every human being should be forced to accept the Guidance somehow or other. Had it been so, He would have created them in such a way that they would have been righteous by birth like angels. Then there would have been no need of sending Prophets and Books and of making the Believers enter into this conflict with the disbelievers for the gradual establishment of the Way of Allah. But Allah does not desire this. On the contrary, He intends that the Truth should be presented to the people in a rational way so that those who are convinced of it may adopt it without any coercion, and then mould their characters in accordance with it to prove their moral superiority over the disbelievers. In this way they would go on attracting the best among the people toward it till they succeed in establishing the Way by virtue of their high ideals, best principles of life, pure characters and strong arguments and with resolute struggle with the disbelievers. Then Allah assures them of the guidance and help they need and deserve at any stage. But if one wishes that, instead of this natural process, Allah should adopt some supernatural method and eradicate false ideas from the minds of the people and bring in pure ones instead and establish the righteous civilization in place of the evil ones, he should know that Allah will not do this for this will be against the wisdom of the scheme of His creation of mankind. He has created mankind as a responsible being, granted him powers to exploit the things of the world and given him the freedom of action – both good and evil – and granted him a definite term for the preparation of the test and fixed the time for the declaration of the result of the test – to punish or reward according to his efforts.

Only those who listen to it accept the Message; as for the dead, Allah will raise them from the graves and they shall be brought back to (be produced in His Court).
Commentary: “Those who listen to it...” are the people whose conscience is alive and who try to judge rationally between right and wrong; who do not deliberately and obdurately lock the doors of their hearts.
“As for those who are dead...” are the people who blindly follow a way and are not ready to leave it and follow any other way even though that may manifestly be the Right Way.

if your quran is clear as it says then when it tells me to go to the people of the book and their scriptures(the bible) if your in dobut about our revelation test it by their book and my book only condemns muhammad. so either allah is all mighty and powerful and protects his word or humans have the strength to change his words and if the quran is a perfect book use the quran alone handed down from allah to muhammad use it not tafserrs not hadiths so is the gospel changed if so men change allah words if not go test your quran with the scriptures of the people of the book then

format_quote Originally Posted by WRITER

Please don't take the words out of context and don't misinterprete the verses/words of the Quran.

Here are the verses with their commentary:



33 – 36: O Muhammad, we know that what they say grieves you but it is not you whom they charge with falsehood; these wicked people are, in fact, denying the Revelations of Allah. Many Messengers have been treated as impostors before you, but they bore with fortitude the charge of imposture and persecution (by the disbelievers) till Our help came down to them. None has the power to change the Law of Allah, and you have already received the news of what happened to the Messengers before you. However, if you find it hard to bear their aversion, then seek out, if you can, an opening into the earth, or set up a ladder to they sky so that you may bring them a Sign. Had Allah willed, He would have gathered them all on guidance; so do not behave like the ignorant people. Only those who listen to it accept the Message; as for the dead, Allah will raise them from the graves and they shall be brought back to (be produced in His Court).



Commentary:

O Muhammad, we know that what they say grieves you but it is not you whom they charge with falsehood; these wicked people are, in fact, denying the Revelations of Allah.

Commentary: It is a fact that all the people of his tribe regarded the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم truthful and honest up to the time he had not begun to recite the Revelations of Allah before them. They falsified him only when he began to deliver to them the Message of Allah. Even then, there was none who dared charge Muhammad, the man, (Allah’s peace be upon him) with falsehood; nay, even his bitterest enemies never accused him of having ever told a lie concerning any worldly matter. It was Muhammad, the Prophet, صلى الله عليه و سلم whom they charged with falsehood. So much so that even Abu Jahl, who was the bitterest of all the enemies of the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم, never accused him of falsehood. According to a tradition related by Hadrat Ali رضي الله عنه , Abu Jahl declared during a conversation with the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم , “We do not call you a liar but regard as false what you are presenting.” On the occasion of the Battle of Badr, Akhnas bin Shariq asked Abu Jahl in private, “There is no third person here besides us two. Tell me the truth whether you regard Muhammad to be a truthful man or a liar.” He answered, “By God, Muhammad is a truthful person and has never told a lie in his whole life, but if Bani Qusayy, who have already the privilege of being the bearers of the national flag and the providers of water to the pilgrims and the keepers of the keys of the Ka’abah, should also be acknowledged as the recipients of Prophethood, what would then be left for the rest of the Quraish?” For this very reason Allah is comforting His Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم , saying, “It is not you whom they are rejecting as impostor but it is Our Message which they are rejecting. When We are forbearing everything and giving them respite after respite, why should you show any kind of anxiety?”



Many Messengers have been treated as impostors before you, but they bore with fortitude the charge of imposture and persecution (by the disbelievers) till Our help came down to them. None has the power to change the Law of Allah,

Commentary: The “Law” referred to here is the Law of Allah concerning the conflict between the right and the wrong. According to this Law, it is essential that the righteous people should be tried for a long period to stand their test in order to prove their fortitude, their righteousness, their spirit of sacrifice and their fidelity, their firm belief in their Faith and their complete trust in Allah. For this they must pass through afflictions and difficulties in order to develop those high moral qualities which can be learnt only by going through this hard and tough course, for with these weapons alone, they are required to win the battle against un-Islam. When, according to this Law, they prove their competence, then Allah’s help will come at the right moment to support them and this help can never be brought about before its time by anyone.





and you have already received the news of what happened to the Messengers before you. However, if you find it hard to bear their aversion, then seek out, if you can, an opening into the earth, or set up a ladder to they sky so that you may bring them a Sign.

Commentary: Whenever the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم felt that his people did not accept the Message in spite of his continuous preaching, he cherished the wish that Allah might send such a clear Sign that they should have no alternative left with them but to accept his Message. In this verse Allah has admonished His Messenger against cherishing any such desire so as to say, “Do not show impatience at their obduracy, but go on performing your mission persistently in the way and order We are laying down for it. If this mission had to be performed by means of miracles, could We not Ourselves have done so? But We know that this method is not suitable for bringing about that intellectual and moral revolution and for the establishment of that righteous society for which you have been appointed as a Messenger. If, however, you cannot endure the heart-buring caused by their indifference and rejection and if you imagine that a tangible Sign, that might appeal to them, is required to break this inert state of their minds, then you should yourself try to bring about such a Sign. You may, if you can, go deep down into the bowels of the earth or ascend up to the heavens for this purpose, but you should not expect from Us that We will fulfil this desire of yours, for there is no room for it in Our scheme.”



Had Allah willed, He would have gathered them all on guidance; so do not behave like the ignorant people.

Commentary: This is to impress that it is not the purpose of Allah that each and every human being should be forced to accept the Guidance somehow or other. Had it been so, He would have created them in such a way that they would have been righteous by birth like angels. Then there would have been no need of sending Prophets and Books and of making the Believers enter into this conflict with the disbelievers for the gradual establishment of the Way of Allah. But Allah does not desire this. On the contrary, He intends that the Truth should be presented to the people in a rational way so that those who are convinced of it may adopt it without any coercion, and then mould their characters in accordance with it to prove their moral superiority over the disbelievers. In this way they would go on attracting the best among the people toward it till they succeed in establishing the Way by virtue of their high ideals, best principles of life, pure characters and strong arguments and with resolute struggle with the disbelievers. Then Allah assures them of the guidance and help they need and deserve at any stage. But if one wishes that, instead of this natural process, Allah should adopt some supernatural method and eradicate false ideas from the minds of the people and bring in pure ones instead and establish the righteous civilization in place of the evil ones, he should know that Allah will not do this for this will be against the wisdom of the scheme of His creation of mankind. He has created mankind as a responsible being, granted him powers to exploit the things of the world and given him the freedom of action – both good and evil – and granted him a definite term for the preparation of the test and fixed the time for the declaration of the result of the test – to punish or reward according to his efforts.



Only those who listen to it accept the Message; as for the dead, Allah will raise them from the graves and they shall be brought back to (be produced in His Court).

Commentary: “Those who listen to it...” are the people whose conscience is alive and who try to judge rationally between right and wrong; who do not deliberately and obdurately lock the doors of their hearts.

“As for those who are dead...” are the people who blindly follow a way and are not ready to leave it and follow any other way even though that may manifestly be the Right Way.

if your quran is clear as it says then when it tells me to go to the people of the book and their scriptures(the bible) if your in dobut about our revelation test it by their book and my book only condemns muhammad. so either allah is all mighty and powerful and protects his word or humans have the strength to change his words and if the quran is a perfect book use the quran alone handed down from allah to muhammad use it not tafserrs not hadiths so is the gospel changed if so men change allah words if not go test your quran with the scriptures of the people of the book then 

format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

I am not your brother..
Click on your thread and read All the replies in lieu of writing the same sentence repeatedly.

best,

aight brother i will look at it

format_quote Originally Posted by منوة الخيال

Do you read or just like a parrot repeating the same phrase over and over mindlessly?

i stay on topic sister others want to use other souces besides the quran to help them but if they do then the quran not clear as it claims by using such things as hadiths and tafseers