Last week, a 23 year-old girl was subjected to an act as inhuman as rape, but that wasn't enough for the culprits as they did barbaric things to her. They took brutality to a whole new level. You can read the story in the link below, but it doesn't contain the gruesome details.
Apparently, after she was raped by the 6 convicts, the hooligans realized that they weren't done, and inserted a metal rod in her genitals. All this went for easily over half an hour, and she went unconscious after that. It has hurt her insides so terribly that her entire intestine was injured, and was at the risk of spreading gangrene to the rest of the body. Consequently, the doctors had to remove her intestines. The Indian police, and the doctors who are treating have admitted that this is the most barbaric incident of rape they've ever come across.
If Allah helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you? And in Allah (Alone) let believers put their trust.
Surah Ale Imran : 160
It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) climbed up Uhud, accompanied by Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan, and the mountain shook with them. He struck it with his foot and said: “Stand firm, O Uhud, for there is no one on you but a Prophet or a Siddeeq or two martyrs.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3483)
Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Taala) does not inspire seeking forgiveness in a slave whom he wishes to punish.
This case is just one of it's kind happening in delhi. Since this thing happened there have been at least 5 more (in delhi alone), and one such case just happened yesterday -- Again in a BUS!
As far as I can recall, i had even heard cases like an 11 year old child committing the same thing against a KG student.
I wonder if any one read what a woman in India had to say:
here i would like to add something..
no doubt the perpeterators of such a crime do not deserve to be called as humans.. but are we ,the women not to be blamed for the way we go out of our homes without a proper dress code.. thereby putting ourselves up for display in front of everyone??????/
But do we know how the victims were dressed? Women shouldn't have to hide their faces in order not to be raped, this was beyond men being "tempted" by immodest clothing, it was a violent attack.
I'm not saying that the victim was immodestly dressed, I'm talking about immodest clothing, in general. The increased number of rapes in today's world can't be blamed on anything but the acceptance and encouragement of obscenity. You can blame the culprits all you want, and they surely do deserve the blame in all cases, but they are motivated to rape because of constant exposure to lewd content. You can't deny that rapes in 2012 must be a lot more than what they were 60 years ago, or even 30 years ago. The numbers were so less back then because women would be dressed modestly, and there would be no provocation for any man to take up such an action. In most cases, the victims pay the price of someone else's action. Porn is more easily available than water in our world, and we have these so called glamorous women exposing every inch of their body on the grandest of hoardings. They are the ones that incite a man, and an innocent victim suffers because of it.
Such an extensive availability of arousing stuff turns every man on, and some of them go as far as rapes to quench their lust. We need to nip such things in the bud, instead of thinking of what punishment be given to such culprits. Prevention is better than cure, and bringing even the harshest punishment will only be a cure. It will only be a reactive step, not a proactive one. Plus, there are thousands of cases stuck in court rooms today. Hardly are the convicts ever justly punished for their crimes, and most of the times they get away with it. It is a lot like legalizing alcohol, but expecting no one to drink and drive. In fact, it is the perfect example where no law has been able to prevent people from drunken driving. The fines have been increased, even jail time added to the punishment, but you can still find cases of drunken driving on a daily basis.
The inspiration for lewd clothing comes from celebrities, but people fail to realize that those creatures are paid to wear that stuff. They wear those things in exchange for a price, and wherever they go they have security surrounding them. You don't have security protecting you all the time, neither are you getting paid for wearing those kind of clothes. The only thing you are accomplishing is what you set out to accomplish and that is, make people desire you. You are desired very well, the result of it may not affect you, but it isn't making a good contribution to the society either.
The appeal for modest clothing has been tagged "primitive" and "backward" thinking on online forums, but why don't people realize that it was the primitive and backward days when women were much safer than they are today. Mankind is not inherently evil, it is just the product of its environment. A lewd environment will obviously create indecent citizens.
If Allah helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you? And in Allah (Alone) let believers put their trust.
Surah Ale Imran : 160
It was narrated that Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him) climbed up Uhud, accompanied by Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan, and the mountain shook with them. He struck it with his foot and said: “Stand firm, O Uhud, for there is no one on you but a Prophet or a Siddeeq or two martyrs.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari (3483)
Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Taala) does not inspire seeking forgiveness in a slave whom he wishes to punish.
Give me prove that dressing modestly has decreased rape cases?? If that were the case, there would be no rape cases in many conservative societies. We have evidence of rape cases in Pakistani villages where women dress very conservatively. Women with headscarves have been raped. This is bullshit. Yes, women should dress modestly. But please stop relating modesty with rape because statistics don't add up. 11 year olds have been raped...4 year old have been raped? Are you telling me 4 year old girls dress immodestly??
Punish the men. PERIOD! Any restrictions if wanted to be applied should be applied on men. Inject them with libido reducing injections. Stop men from leaving houses after 10pm. Stop making women lives harder...
although I agree, it isn't just about clothing, it is also the type and style of punishment received. If more pigs received a crucifixion before witnesses in a public square it would leave an indelible impression upon anyone whose soul whispers to him to commit such a heinous crime.
When you eliminate all confounders can you then come speak of statistics!
It nothing to do with how women dress. Rape is not a new crime, it has been happening even when women were dressed modestly. We now have global media and it being reported alot. In fact it is soooo disrespectful to men to suggest such a thing. If a naked woman was to stand in front of your fathers, would he rape her? Is there a special gene that activates as soon as a man see a female dressed immodestly? Yes men are visual but dont they have free will? Just like I am able to distinguish myself from a female who rapes a baby, it about high time for men to able to distinguish themselves from rapists. We are forever blaming the victims. For that reason men, women, and children don't report rape and are ashamed.
Whenever, news about rape is reported. We ALWAYS talk about the female dresses. But I am sorry to say this victm was wearing Indian traditional clothing therefore dressed reasonably modest manner. Don't disrespect male as gender.
Rapist are of a different kind just like those that rape children. Rapist always love that people deflect away from their action to how the victim dresses in general.
Most rapes happens at home from relatives. Now how does modesty relate to those that raped by their partners, brothers and fathers etc?
Even if every female were to dress modestly that still wouldn't be enough for most people. Even if we were to cover our faces that still wouldn't be enough. We would then be blamed for simply being present. How can our men be amir and the only potential person to be a leader if they are that weak? Go as far as rape for lust? If even they can get for free with their partners or a *****?
And why don't we use the same logic when men or children are raped. It is amusing how we use this recycle logic towards female only. I would understand the logic if it was about harassment but rape. Force sexual intercourse supposedly by dressing immodestly. And these are the same men that complain society don't respect because of feminism. But why should we respect men if they can't help themselves but rape another human being? Why should I trust you at all even with my children?
So if you want to continue to use this logic that you can be a potential rapist then I am sorry but of course you shouldn't be respected. Of course, you shouldn't be able talk to a stranger child or women in general. Does it also make it acceptable or understandable for husband to have force sexual intercourse with his wife since she is dressed immodestly? I thought so...
A. Dressing modestly
B. Lowering the gaze
C. Proper punishment for sexual assault/rape
If any of the above are missing it is likely that rape will occur. In the west, the aforementioned things are mostly absent. In some Muslim countries A and C might be present but B is lacking, and if men are not lowering their gaze by watching the filthiest of videos of simulated rape and abuse then rape will occur, check this pakistan maintains top slot in google search for sex
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Before we go any further, it is important to me that people believe what I'm saying. I'm not blaming pornography. I'm not saying it caused me to go out and do certain things. I take full responsibility for all the things that I've done. That's not the question here. The issue is how this kind of literature contributed and helped mold and shape the kinds of violent behavior....
Once you become addicted to it, and I look at this as a kind of addiction, you look for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something which is harder and gives you a greater sense of excitement, until you reach the point where the pornography only goes so far - that jumping off point where you begin to think maybe actually doing it will give you that which is just beyond reading about it and looking at it.
Last edited by Cabdullahi; 01-01-2013 at 02:32 PM.
Wow, no one is saying rape will be abolished if women start dressing modestly. It's like Allah forbid us to consume alcohol but you're saying "But I'm not drinking enough to get drunk so nothing bad will happen to me" - True, I know many people till today who drink till they get smashed and are still alive but NONE of these people can deny that when you consume alcohol it INCREASES THE RISK of getting drunk which INCREASES THE RISK of getting into a road-accident or any other evil act which a drunk person can commit. I'm highlighting the important words: increases the risk. Same applies to women to dress modestly, we're not saying if you dress modestly you're immune to rape, but how can you deny that if you don't dress modestly it doesn't INCREASE THE RISK of getting raped? And If everyone in the world followed what Allah told us to do in the Qur'aan, I can say 100% there will be NO rapes in the world because no man would glance at a woman in the first place as Allah ordered the man first to lower the gaze THEN ordered to dress modestly. So if men lower their gaze upon seeing a woman and women dress modestly, I can promise you there will be NO rapes.
Wow, no one is saying rape will be abolished if women start dressing modestly. It's like Allah forbid us to consume alcohol but you're saying "But I'm not drinking enough to get drunk so nothing bad will happen to me" - True, I know many people till today who drink till they get smashed and are still alive but NONE of these people can deny that when you consume alcohol it INCREASES THE RISK of getting drunk which INCREASES THE RISK of getting into a road-accident or any other evil act which a drunk person can commit. I'm highlighting the important words: increases the risk. Same applies to women to dress modestly, we're not saying if you dress modestly you're immune to rape, but how can you deny that if you don't dress modestly it doesn't INCREASE THE RISK of getting raped? And If everyone in the world followed what Allah told us to do in the Qur'aan, I can say 100% there will be NO rapes in the world because no man would glance at a woman in the first place as Allah ordered the man first to lower the gaze THEN ordered to dress modestly. So if men lower their gaze upon seeing a woman and women dress modestly, I can promise you there will be NO rapes.
Soldier!, we just want sisters to understand that we are being mentally sabotaged with high-octane images, it might not affect them but it affects us. We are not blaming these images for the rape's that occur, rather the rapist must take full responsibility for their actions, however, to have a clean society, both men and women must do their jobs according to what the quran has stated.
here i would like to add something..
no doubt the perpeterators of such a crime do not deserve to be called as humans.. but are we ,the women not to be blamed for the way we go out of our homes without a proper dress code.. thereby putting ourselves up for display in front of everyone??????/
But what about the girl on the bus, was she dressed immodestly? This happened anyway and would probably have happened no matter how she was dressed. What are we saying, that men have no control over themselves?
Go to a beach here in the west and women are wandering around in their swimming clothes but they aren't having to fight off attacks from violent men and I would say this girl from India was dressed a lot more modestly. It seems to me to problem in India lies with the fact the law favours the men more than the women, you only have to read the story about the policemen who tried to encourage the teenager to marry her rapist. The men are getting away with it and it seems that to be raped is something of shame for the women rather than that they are victims. It used to be the case in the UK around 40 years ago, if a woman was raped the police looked more at how she provoked it rather than blaming the man. This sort of attitude certainly isn't going to lead to progressive change.
Are crimes like this on the increase or is it that the stories are more likely to get reported and spread worldwide these days? Gang rapes most certainly happened in the past and no one had access to the internet then! Although, don't get me wrong, I don't agree with the stuff that can be accessed or how women are shown in popular culture...
Even thought what happened in Gujarat '02 was bad, lets not connect that to whats happening currently, if the protests achieve even some kind of safety I'd call them worthwhile, yet, true safety can be achieved only and only if the Shariah is implemented, but lets not go there for now, there was even a call I read somewhere where a protester sarcastically said if the girl had to be sent to Singapore for treatment, then why can't the rapists be sent to Saudi for the punishment indicating the strict laws that Islam has for the law offenders.
If this had been committed by a Muslim - they'd have without a doubt connected it to Islam.
Wish vice versa was the case.
I agree with Cabdullahi on his points [but sick images man, not needed, I hope the mods remove them], what are the triggers? Porn, and those disgusting disgusting Bollywood songs and movies - but the Non-Muslims won't get it. And in India, its the latter not the former because the Internet is still to get in on a larger scale in the villages.
Many rapes don't go reported at all - that's a different story.
Same with molestations, eve teasing etc.
Only if marriages were made simple, less expensive.
why is this rape case getting more attention than the ones carried by indian army in kashmir? why has suddenly the world's conscious woken up?? How was this woman any more innocent than hundreds of kashmiri women who were raped, maimed and killed by the Indian military over the last 30 years?? Why did not Indian public raise their voices as forcefully at that time? Why should we cry for this woman when our tears still have not stopped from flowing for all of the other ones yet??
A vivid example of the cattle and sheep psychology of humanity.
And those theorizing why humans commit rape, you need to learn a bit more about biology, psychiatry and free-will. If people can fall in love with "feet" to the extent of a fetish, it is not surprising that some idiots can fall in love with the concept of "forced" and violent interaction aka rape. Plain and simple. No need to invoke politics, power struggle, and feminism.
Last edited by CosmicPathos; 01-01-2013 at 05:04 PM.
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But what about the girl on the bus, was she dressed immodestly? This happened anyway and would probably have happened no matter how she was dressed. What are we saying, that men have no control over themselves?
Go to a beach here in the west and women are wandering around in their swimming clothes but they aren't having to fight off attacks from violent men...bla bla bla
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
Also a rapist does not necessarily need a woman who is dressed immodestly. A rapist just needs a victim who just happens to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. By and large the blame will go to the one who did the act because he/she made a conscious choice to do it.
And verily for everything that a slave loses there is a substitute, but the one who loses Allah will never find anything to replace Him.” [Related by Ibn al-Qayyim in ad-Dâ' wad-Dawâ Fasl 49]
We've now stopped discussing the original post and moved to dress codes, politics, biology, and debating whether or not one person's suffering is more worthy of discussion than another's.
I think we can agree this thread has run its course. So I'm closing it.
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