Three men have been found guilty of leading a terrorist bomb plotthat could have been bigger than the July 7 atrocities. Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, all fromBirmingham, wanted up to eight suicide bombers to detonate rucksacks packedwith explosives in crowded places. "They were deadly serious and they were hell bent because ofthe training they'd had and the things they said", said DetectiveInspector Adam Gough, from West Midlands Police. "On committing these acts there's no doubt whatsoever theywere going to build bombs and martyr themselves and kill as many people as theycould." Prosecutor Brian Altman QC told the jury: "The policesuccessfully disrupted a plan to commit an act or acts of terrorism on a scalepotentially greater than the London bombings in July 2005, had it been allowedto run its course." Naseer, known as 'Chubbs' or 'Big Irfan', and Khalid, nicknamed'Little Irfan' both spent a total of 15 months, during two trips, in terrortraining camps in Pakistan, and made martyrdom videos. They shared all they knew with Ali, who provided his council flatas a 'safe house' for them to meet in Balsall Heath. In September 2011, when they started to experiment withmaking bombs, officers, who had them under surveillance, decided to arrestthem. They found that Naseer, a trained chemist from Sparkhill, hadwritten instructions on how to assemble an improvised explosive device or IED. Inspired by Al Qaeda, the cell criticised the 7/7 London bombersfor not putting nails in their explosives. Counter Terrorism Officers, who were recording theirconversations, overheard them discussing the use of AK47 assault rifles andpoisons, as well as blowing themselves up. No specific target locations werementioned. The men even raised more than £13,000 in bogus Muslim Aidcollections in Sparkbrook for their plot, over 23 days. They only had a licenceto collect for one day. Only a fraction of the money reached the charity. Mr Justice Henriques told the trio that they will all face life inprison when they are sentenced in April or May. Speaking to Naseer, he said he had been convicted on"overwhelming evidence" and that he will face "a very longminimum term". The judge said: "You are a highly skilled bomb maker andexplosives expert. Your mindset was similarly manifest." Four other men, Naweed Ali, 24; Ishaaq Hussain, 20; KhobaibHussain, 20 and Shahid Khan, 20, admitted travelling to Pakistan for terroristtraining. Three returned within days and a fourth later, after the family ofone of them discovered where they had gone. Mujtahid Hussain, 21, who was heavily involved in raising moneyfor terrorism has admitted fund raising. Two people whom the three allegedly tried to recruit to theirplan, Ashik Ali's older brother, Bahader Ali, 29, and Mohammed Rizwan, 34, denythe charges they face and are due to stand trial later. Ashik Ali's estranged wife, Salma Kabal, 23, who is accused ofknowing of her husband's terrorist intentions but failing to disclose them tothe authorities, will also be tried later.
Los Angeles, January 30 – An FBI informer sent to infiltrate a California mosque was made the subject of a restraining order after scaring Muslim worshippers with demands for holy war.
Craig Monteilh was known to members of the Irvine Islamic Center as Farouk al-Aziz, an apparently devout and at times over-zealous Muslim.
But when he began speaking of jihad and plans to blow up buildings, senior figures at the mosque reported him to the FBI - the very people who sent him.
Now the FBI is facing criticism for its use of such stooges which have backfired in a number of cases. The law enforcement agency's problems have been confounded after Monteilh, a petty criminal with forgery convictions, went public with claims he received $177,000 tax free in 15 months for his work.
Shakeel Syed, of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California which represents more than 75 mosques told the Washington Post: The community feels betrayed.
just google Craig Monteilh for source.
Imam ash-Shafi`i said:
"Whoever takes knowledge from books loses the regulations."
(man akhadha al-`ilma min al-kutubi Dayya`a al-aHkaama). [Reported by Nawawi in the introduction to "al-Majmu"]
I fail to see how referring to the Iraq War proves that these guys are innocent.
If you accept that they are guilty (ie really planning to bomb) then it's relevant because it's a motive.
But you don't accept they're guilty. For some reason, you think the Iraq war means they're innocent. Please explain.
Circles..
Imam ash-Shafi`i said:
"Whoever takes knowledge from books loses the regulations."
(man akhadha al-`ilma min al-kutubi Dayya`a al-aHkaama). [Reported by Nawawi in the introduction to "al-Majmu"]
Your default position is to blame each new situation on the 'kuffar'. Every situation, without exception. You no longer bother with evidence. You just refer to past incidents.
Effectively, your position is that Muslims cannot commit a terrorist crime.
And the flipside is, that 'kuffar' are all terminal liars and murderers who cannot ever be innocent if it involves Muslims.
You are fundamentally dividing the world into 'us and them'.
Looks like a kind of 'anti kuffar racism' to me.
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We are left to depend on the media to deliver these situations to us, have you ever played the game of "telephone"? By the time the 4th person reaches the message its already diluted, imagine what kind of info we're being fed.
Did you even read the article? Their own defence admitted to the crime.
Yes, we should defend muslims and non muslims alike when they are being treated unjustly,but lets be real here. None of us are present at this location or personally involved, so how do you know ur on the right side? Or if the situation/story being given is even accurate? We cannot go against our own brothers and sisters in Islam, unless we are 150% sure they are guilty and even then we don't just go against them like fools. We cannot accuse our brothers and sisters falsely, its a great sin to do that.
Rhetoric. This has nothing to do with sides. Don't play that game. And yes we can point out and grass on and report Muslims that are conspiring to kill innocent people and perform terrorist activities. You can and should do that for anyone regardless of their religion. This blind loyalty to Muslims is exactly the problem I spoke about in the very post you quoted! (hint: the very first sentence of said post).
Ultimately, this information is being given to us by kuffar sources, that alone should make a Muslim think.
I'll say it again since you aren't listening: their own defence admitted to carrying out all activities (the list is numerous and contained in the article)
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Your default position is to blame each new situation on the 'kuffar'. Every situation, without exception. You no longer bother with evidence. You just refer to past incidents.
Effectively, your position is that Muslims cannot commit a terrorist crime.
And the flipside is, that 'kuffar' are all terminal liars and murderers who cannot ever be innocent if it involves Muslims.
You are fundamentally dividing the world into 'us and them'.
Looks like a kind of 'anti kuffar racism' to me.
Squares..
Imam ash-Shafi`i said:
"Whoever takes knowledge from books loses the regulations."
(man akhadha al-`ilma min al-kutubi Dayya`a al-aHkaama). [Reported by Nawawi in the introduction to "al-Majmu"]
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Or if the situation/story being given is even accurate? We cannot go against our own brothers and sisters in Islam, unless we are 150% sure they are guilty and even then we don't just go against them like fools. We cannot accuse our brothers and sisters falsely, its a great sin to do that.
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