I don't know how recent this is, but I am told that these are Muslims in Egypt, protecting a Christian church so their Christian friends and neighbours can attend mass.
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
To those who might claim that these are Christians torching their own places of worship to 'blame Muslims', I must say that I find that idea ridiculous. Who would destroy their place of worship, where they serve and worship God and meet with their fellow believers? That's simply implausible!
My heart is breaking for the whole of Egypt. God, bring your peace!
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Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
When the society is in the chaos, any kind of vandalism will rise - everyone may attack against everyone - even if it wouldn´t change or help the whole situation or situation of some individuals or some group at all.
When the society is in the chaos, any kind of vandalism will rise - everyone may attack against everyone - even if it wouldn´t change or help the whole situation or situation of some individuals or some group at all.
Very true. And often it is the minority groups, which suffer the most.
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
Azhar Vadi | Cii News, Pics: Scott Nelson – Al Jazeera | 15 August 2013
The numbers game starts a few moments after the first shots of an approaching massacre are fired. The protagonists, most often being government security services and those opposed to the government, hardly ever agree on the figures and quite often the truth appears somewhere in the middle.
In the case of Egypt, the last official figure quoted at 568 and some opposition claims of up to 10 000 casualties makes for grim reading even based on the median average calculation.
In the end it boils down to who you want to believe. The military propped, unelected Egyptian coup leaders or supporters of a legitimate government brought to power by a popular vote.
Perhaps, in the case of Wednesday’s vicious crackdown on peaceful protestors, you would opt for an eyewitness’s account, a narration from one who was actually there.
Professor Nidal Sakr, current chairperson at The March for Justice, a former Assistant General at the International Islamic Council for Da’wa and Relief and a member on the Advisory Board at the United States Commission on Civil Rights, was at the Rabaa sit-in in Cairo yesterday when all hell broke loose. He is also a regular analyst on Cii.
“At around 6am on the 14 August 2013, the administrators of the sit-in advised us not to leave until noon amid reports of an imminent crackdown,” he said. “Immediately thereafter we heard gunfire and teargas being fired. At the Rabaa sit-in there were many children and families.”
The protest until yesterday morning, in support of deposed president Muhammad Morsi, had taken on a carnival atmosphere over the last six weeks since his ousting. Eid celebrations were enjoyed there just last week. The leaders of the new interim government claim that negotiations had failed and a difficult decision was taken to remove the protestors.
“We tried as much as possible to evacuate the causalities after they were hit,” said Sakr. “We had casualties being transported at the rate of 20 cases per minute coming in, half of them dead with injuries to the head, neck and upper chest. Chaos erupted immediately. There was no warning. They just came in shooting.”
Numerous testimonies have borne witness to the use of high velocity bullets and not just bird shot as claimed by the security forces.
Professor Sakr narrated further: “Shortly afterwards sniper shots were fired at the Square from all directions and from three levels: from street level, from rooftops and from helicopters – one was military and one was police. For twelve continuous hours we just sat there in Rabaa Square and watched people all around being shot in the head with blood spilling out of them.
“The field hospitals got jammed from the first few minutes. It was announced by the hospital that more than 2200 people were killed. In my opinion it was much more. Eventually they started stacking the bodies up outside and in the Masjid and other areas. The police then set the field hospital on fire and bodies inside were charred and burnt. We also found entire families wiped out while being burnt in their tents.”
The Professor rubbished the claim that only bird shot was used to disperse the large crowds. “This was a specific kind of ammunition. It went right through the bodies. When it goes in, it comes out on the other side.”
The protestors yesterday were caught by surprise at the speed and ferocity of the crackdown on their peaceful demonstrations. “Killing for the sake of killing,” described Sakr. “It was driven by hate. We found that many of the soldiers and police officers had tattoos on their hands like the Christian Copts who have a cross on their right hand.”
Ambulances were also barred from entering the scene of the massacre on. Private cars and motorcycles that transported injured person were also fired upon and occupants of some of these vehicles were also amongst the dead, said Sakr. “We had medics who were targeted. Anybody who tried to attend to the women and children injured in the initial attack was also shot at.”
The world can make up its own mind on the numbers game. The truth may never be known but from the descriptions of this eyewitness, it’s easy to understand that the coup leader’s account may conveniently be much lower.
Our hearts are distressed for our brothers and sisters in Egypt (and across the world)
O Allah, forgive us and grant us honor and victory once again.
Ameen
Robert ford, netanyahu and their stooge al-sisi must be hanged!
May Allah(SWT) protect egypt from the plots and plans of the mischief makers. Ameen
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I am not sure whether this will be a healer or pain igniter but one thing I surely know its time to Astagfaar.Some sources claiming 2000 while other 4000 have been killed,to whom they will seek revenge of their blood,who will provide them with justice...
"With every fir'awn there comes a Musa" -imam anwar al awlaki (rahimullah)
InshaAllah soon...
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In somnolent illusion... I'm paralyzed
I wonder if those who protested against Muhammad Mursi, leading to his removal from power, are pleased with what their protests have achieved. Bloodshed, carnage, destruction and death of innocent people on an unprecedented scale (this was not seen under Mursi), and a brutal military dictatorship, who will not even respect places of worship. Nor will it tolerate opposition, instead considering making those that oppose it illegal. Nor will it leave reporters, and cameramen. Anybody and everybody is fair game to be shot by them, even if you just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nobody is safe.
Maybe this is the anti-Mursi protester's idea of a democracy. While it takes time for the first ever democratically elected leader of a country to formulate policies and bring about change, as there is much work being done behind the scenes to bring it all into effect, there was at least stability, no bloodshed, no dictatorship, no syphoning off of millions into personal Swiss bank accounts.
May Allah grant Egypt and Muslims a leader who obeys and fears Him alone, ameen.
To those who might claim that these are Christians torching their own places of worship to 'blame Muslims', I must say that I find that idea ridiculous. Who would destroy their place of worship, where they serve and worship God and meet with their fellow believers? That's simply implausible!
The fact that any place of worship is being attacked, be that a mosque or church is wrong. I see the above articles are playing the blame game, blaming brotherhood supporters, on the basis of pro-Mursi slogans being heard from the mouth of some of the attackers, an a fake pro-Mursi looking website created condoning the attacks. Anyone can shout slogans or create a website. The Muslim Brotherhood has categorically denied involvement in, and support for, such attacks: http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=31246 They have said they have not done it, but by the same token have not played the blame game, and haven't tried to lay the finger of blame at anyone without solid evidence.
The so-called Muslim Times, is an Ahmadi/Qadiyani news blog. Here's one article of proof, though there are loads, where they refer to their fifth caliph: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/0...t-uk-centenary). The Ahmadis/Qadiyanis, while using the name Muslim, are categorically not Muslim. So we cannot use that as evidence to justify that Muslims themselves are admitting that Muslims are attacking churches. That article, is very tabloid and sensationalist in nature. On the contrary there are articles which mention that "arsonists" attacked churches, or that churches were attacked, mentioning the tensions there have been, without laying blame, as right now it is not possible to do so. One of those is here:http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...-churches?lite . The fact is, that nobody knows who is attacking the churches, but whoever it is, should stop attacking churches, mosques, and the Egyptian populace at large.
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Maybe this is the anti-Mursi protester's idea of a democracy.
Whatever else this coup is, it is most definitely an attack on democracy. In fact it is hard to see how democracy can be attempted here again for many, many years to come. Why is democracy being blamed for an attack on democracy? Bizarre.
format_quote Originally Posted by Insaanah
The fact is, that nobody knows who is attacking the churches, but whoever it is, should stop attacking churches, mosques, and the Egyptian populace at large
Another certain victim of this chaos is the Coptic community. The notion that the Copts themselves are the ones who are burning churches and shooting their own 10 year old daughters in the head is as absurd as anything the Israelis have ever claimed about the Palestinians 'faking' incidents. The people carrying out these attacks must be Muslims, because there simply isn't anyone else around who could be doing it.
No one important in the world seems to care about the Copts and no one protects them. Their ancient civilisation will therefore experience the same fate as all the other Christian communities in the region over the last 100 years - death or exile. The ongoing elimination of Christian communities in the ME has been inexplicably ignored by all sides, even in the West.
Democracy is blamed for an attack on democracy, Christians for attacks on Christians. Strange world.
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The churches were burned from the inside, they have high security, there wasn't a single loss of life, so draw your own conclusion especially that the minute they're raiding the protesters the churches are being burned by the same protesters who were also raping each other inside committing suicide and then burning themselves.. that's the official story on Egyptian state media. The churches that were burned were never used in general and old, now Sissi wants to pay for them from the funds of the state which are being paid for by Muslims, they've also made sure that they freeze and take the funds of the brotherhood whom they've placed in jail and made into terrorists groups. So they've killed many birds with one stone in fact!
You're not from Egypt, don't have family there, don't have relatives trapped in a mosque, don't even know that mosques are being torched and your claim to fame is what you saw on the news
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Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
I advise you to forgo alarbiya or as we call it al3brya (the Hebrew) it is the zionist mouth piece in the Muslim world and caters to the hypocrites amongst arabs but it is up to you
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
The copts from the beginning supported the coup, and many of the cops on the front lines firing at Muslims are copts. They wish to establish their own state, and they have been allies of all the oppressive regimes in Egypt in recent history.
Right now the coptic priest tawadros II has thanked the egyptian army before and after they started their massacre of thousands. Kuffar minorities in our countries have been trouble from day one. These nusairis in Syria, the christians and shi`ah in Lebanon, and the copts in Egypt. Allies of all these corrupt governments, we live in a time when the line between Muslims and munafiqeen and their kaafir masters has become ridiculously sharp and clear. Even the world's media is manipulating information in blatant ways, the only reason we know better is because the internet has made it easier to get direct access to information from the sources of conflict. They say "200 killed", in one picture you see 50 people dead in a room. So I happen to be staring at 1/4th the death toll right now? It's thousands killed.
Anyway, we will see what will be done to them by the end of this. Everyone should support their brethren in any way they can.
copt means egyptian they use that term to showcase they are the true egyptians while the Muslims are invaders even though they're the remnants of the Romans who were spared after the conquest of Egypt, the people of Egypt embraced Islam almost in totality! and yes christians have a history of treason most notable during Napoleon's time but of course he took them with him so they could be spared a public hanging!
I advise you to forgo alarbiya or as we call it al3brya (the Hebrew) it is the zionist mouth piece in the Muslim world and caters to the hypocrites amongst arabs but it is up to you
for telling me.I will try to keep this in mind Insha Allah
copt means egyptian they use that term to showcase they are the true egyptians while the Muslims are invaders even though they're the remnants of the Romans who were spared after the conquest of Egypt, the people of Egypt embraced Islam almost in totality!
Egypt was once as solidly Christian as it is now mostly Muslim. Many Copts converted to Islam over the centuries, but a significant community still remains. Not for much longer, from the looks of things.
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When the society is in the chaos, any kind of vandalism will rise - everyone may attack against everyone - even if it wouldn´t change or help the whole situation or situation of some individuals or some group at all.
for telling me.I will try to keep this in mind Insha Allah
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