Herb mursi invited them repeatedly to the table and they refused - the coup was paid for by the US, emirates and Saudi and if the US wants to play good cop bad cop to save its public image given it's the tax payers funding a civil war they'll simply order Saudi to pay for it as it did before in Nicaragua - were the lot of you born yesterday or honestly that naive?
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She is talking about a historical event that is mentioned in the Qur'an, in surat ar-rum, not something we would read to get the background on a situation. We have to apply the lessons from the Qur'an and sunnah to our understanding of situations in all times and places.
Jazaki Allah khyran I haven't failed if I have reached just one person even if some guest who doesn't comment!With some it's a sort of tournament of one up Manship as if to say to hell with a the dead let's have peace and no one to be held responsible for the crimes and Muslims come in for the kill too it's good to show them how we are not 'terrorists' they use the term so much forcing people to become guilty of something they didn't commit. Reminds me of how querysh conspired to kill the prophet by wanting to divide the blood so not one would be held responsible for what they conspired - amazing thing is even Abu jahl had some honour and said don't do it in the night I don't want the Arabs to say I frightened Muhammad's womenfolk!
Saudis payed civil war in Nigaragua? Any proves about it or just that I am ignorant? Or did I undesrtood you wrong again? Tax payers of Saudi or the USA? I am a little confused now.
Maybe because you dont use dots in your text - difficult to read where sentences ends and starts.
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
I repeated it because you repeated a statement I've already corrected
I didn't mention the Christians - you did.
format_quote Originally Posted by جوري
entire brigades are forced to submit their weapons and they're killing in the thousands
It has happened in many other countries that the army is asked to fire on civilians. If the army isn't sufficiently supportive of the leadership, they mutiny. This is especially true of conscript armies (which is why you were confident they would never fire on civilians in the first place.)
The Egyptian army has shown no sign of mutiny. This has to be because most of them, for the moment at least, agree that Morsi had to go. It never occurs that a few generals who aren't even on the scene at key flashpoints can force a whole army to act so strongly against its will.
format_quote Originally Posted by جوري
I am yet to hear a word of condemnation to what went down
I condemned the coup many times already. The violence that's now occurring is a direct result of the coup. They should have waited for the next election.
I afraid that condemning in this situation is bad as well praying for peace (with justice). I have no idea what these MB supporters expect people to do. As the conscience forbid to support 100% some political movement as MB as haven´t full understanding about its political (or religion) aims.
I just can pray that people in Egypt will find stability in they society and will live in peace (what I think most of people there just hopes).
and what I am wondering is how far the situation would have to go before you would change that point of view. Presumably that wouldn't still be the case if it was a straightforward struggle between Muslims and kuffar?
Salam alaykum
There is no limits as I base my opinions for the life experience of some other similar crisis. Kuffars killed my husband, my fiancee and several of my friends and I still believe peace with them. Because peace is only level we can live together in the same world. If you others think differently - it is your choice, not mine.
Should I lose my life for hate? No thanks. Heritage of my lost is looking for peace.
There is no limits as I base my opinions for the life experience of some other similar crisis. Kuffars killed my husband, my fiancee and several of my friends and I still believe peace with them. Because peace is only level we can live together in the same world. If you others think differently - it is your choice, not mine.
Should I lose my life for hate? No thanks. Heritage of my lost is looking for peace.
They didnt got 'killed' if you know what i mean
Peace in palestine is the only way, but unfortunately the zionist enemy wants war and doesnt want to solve everything with peace.
The recent peace talks are a sham.
http://www.youtube.com/user/robinb4life?feature=mhee
I will not calm down until I will put one cheek of a tyrant on the ground and the other under my feet, and for the poor and weak, I will put my cheek on the ground. - Umar ibn khattab(Ra)
Yes I know what you mean. And peace talks with leaders are just as s joke - by both sides. Peace can make and have to make ordinary people, not leaders.
Leaders just sign the peace.
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
I mentioned their involvement yes, your point being?
format_quote Originally Posted by Independent
It has happened in many other countries that the army is asked to fire on civilians. If the army isn't sufficiently supportive of the leadership, they mutiny. This is especially true of conscript armies (which is why you were confident they would never fire on civilians in the first place.)
Quote me saying they'd never fire toward civilians in the first place!
format_quote Originally Posted by Independent
I condemned the coup many times already. The violence that's now occurring is a direct result of the coup. They should have waited for the next election.
I am sure you're heartbroken yes.. your sincerity is lighting up the room!
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Saudis payed civil war in Nigaragua? Any proves about it or just that I am ignorant? Or did I undesrtood you wrong again? Tax payers of Saudi or the USA? I am a little confused now.
Maybe because you dont use dots in your text - difficult to read where sentences ends and starts.
Mubarak was released today.. yes I am sure we will all live in peace!
I have wrote before; judiciary shouldn´t make they decision by political reasons. Judiciary and political elite should be separate - but countries where justice goes with policy of the rulers this might be quite impossible.
Situations like this, democracy is very very far; political elite command both army and judiciary.
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
I read this today. We live in a sick world. He will eventually taste his own medicin. Allah is the most just.
He was released, his entire machine judicial, media, police force and generals are holding all the joints and Bashar used chemical weapons on children yesterday causing a horrific scene, Muslims are being labeled 'terrorists' to justify any mass killing against them.. the whole world watches and funds the killing but show up on TV like your pal indy here with such sincerity with words of condemnation.. Which don't matter on the long or short term of it, what matters to me is Muslims wake up already and do whatever they can, even if it be flooding their countries state departments with comments and videos of what is going on.. we all know the policy makers don't give a fig but your own country's citizens have a right to know their hard earned money is taken in the form of tax dollars to sponsor genocides...
all other trolling on the forum is completely irrelevant if you knew the dire conditions that are currently going on!
He was released, his entire machine judicial, media, police force and generals are holding all the joints and Bashar used chemical weapons on children yesterday causing a horrific scene, Muslims are being labeled 'terrorists' to justify any mass killing against them.. the whole world watches and funds the killing but show up on TV like your pal indy here with such sincerity with words of condemnation.. Which don't matter on the long or short term of it, what matters to me is Muslims wake up already and do whatever they can, even if it be flooding their countries state departments with comments and videos of what is going on.. we all know the policy makers don't give a fig but your own country's citizens have a right to know their hard earned money is taken in the form of tax dollars to sponsor genocides...
all other trolling on the forum is completely irrelevant if you knew the dire conditions that are currently going on!
This is a good summary of what is happening today. We muslims are targets and have always been. We need to be more aware of what is really happening to our ummah. Awereness comes first and from there we can actually do something. We muslims need to wake up.
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