Hello, this thread is created inshallah to bring the facts to the table about Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood (Al-ikhwan Al-muslimin). What have they contributed to the muslims in Egypt and where have they gone wrong?
Do you have to be a disbeliever or a munafiq to disagree with the Muslim Brotherhood and their actions (whatever they may be)? Because many muslims have been labeled as kuffar and traitors because they disagree with the Muslim Brotherhood. Is it Islamic to call people disbelievers for not agreeing with a political party, which may by the way have made a negative impact on the muslim ummah.
On another day you'll be talking about how Israel ignores international law
lol are you for real? and even if I do mention 'the law' will the cockroach state or its poodles actually uphold it? are they actually upholding it now with the new colonies and homes they're destroying in spite of the 'law'- the same law which they concoct to invade sovereign counties at whim and break at whim? Get real & get a life!
you lose credibility with each post, it is a wonder at all you don't even make the slightest attempt to save face!
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i don't want anyone to suffer like this.
Yes you do!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
I apologize. It is just that you originally asserted that, "Victory has always come from faith and from God not equipments and allies
How many times do you need an assertion to understand?
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I just wanted to be clear about what you meant. I really don't believe what you have said is true.
That's your prerogative!
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While religious faith or dedication to some cause can be useful in a war.....weapons & equipment, aliies, and strategy and tactics are important factors in determining victory.
Victory is always from Allah.. you can build all you want and a tiny tsunami washes it all away!.. As Umar ibn Ilkhtaab said to the leader of the Muslim army:
to Sa’d bin Abee Waqqas, the commander of the Muslim armies during the campaign against the Persians,
"I command you and your soldiers to observe Taqwa which is the best preparation against the enemy and the strongest weapon of war.
I command you and your soldiers to be more on guard against sins than against the enemy, for the sins of [your] army should be feared more than their enemy.
Indeed, Muslims only triumph by the sinning of their enemy against Allah, for otherwise we would not have the strength and advantage over them.
Our numbers are not like their numbers, nor is our preparation like their preparation. If we equal them in sins, they will prevail over us through their physical strength.
If we cannot defeat them through our piety, we will not defeat them through our strength.”
Allah’s support for His servants and His assistance to them with the angels is conditional upon piety.
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The Pharaoh was chasing Moses and his people from behind and the red sea was in front of them, indeed if they subscribed to your ideology they'd have been done for..
and countless other examples that I can't ignore to subscribe to your personal set of values or beliefs simply because you laid them out on the forum!
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I really can not believe that God (if it exists) plays much of a role in determining victory.
Again, that's your privilege, what would you like me to do about your set of beliefs?
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If I did, I would have to come to the conclusion that God favors the Israelis over the Arabs.
The Arabs are no better than the Israelis indeed (see the quote above again by Umar Ibn Ilkhtaab)- I can't gauge anyone's level of piety but they've let their ummah go and fight their Muslim leaders so why should their nations expect victory?
best,
Last edited by جوري; 09-08-2013 at 09:45 PM.
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
This thread is repeatedly becoming a war-zone, so I think it's time to put it to rest.
Just thought I'd comment on a post I saw:
format_quote Originally Posted by WarriorforMarie
It is just that you originally asserted that, "Victory has always come from faith and from God not equipments and allies..." I just wanted to be clear about what you meant. I really don't believe what you have said is true. While religious faith or dedication to some cause can be useful in a war.....weapons & equipment, aliies, and strategy and tactics are important factors in determining victory. I really can not believe that God (if it exists) plays much of a role in determining victory. If I did, I would have to come to the conclusion that God favors the Israelis over the Arabs.
If God can create the world and all that exists, could He not easily grant victory to whom He pleases? Try to learn about the Islamic concept of God, and you will realise He is the All-Powerful, Able to do all things. If you read the Qur'an, it is filled with so many attributes of God, and then you will appreciate How everything is in His control, even victory. Many times we are reminded in the Qur'an of how God supported those who believed in Him.
...So when he had crossed it (the river), he and those who believed with him, they said: "We have no power this day against Jalut (Goliath) and his hosts." But those who knew with certainty that they were going to meet Allah, said: "How often a small group overcame a mighty host by Allah's Leave?" And Allah is with As-Sabirun (the patient).
And when they advanced to meet Jalut (Goliath) and his forces, they invoked: "Our Lord! Pour forth on us patience, and set firm our feet and make us victorious over the disbelieving people."
So they routed them by Allah's Leave and Dawud (David) killed Jalut (Goliath), and Allah gave him [Dawud (David)] the kingdom [after the death of Talut (Saul) and Samuel] and Al-Hikmah (Prophethood), and taught him of that which He willed. And if Allah did not check one set of people by means of another, the earth would indeed be full of mischief. But Allah is full of bounty to the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists).
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